Guard of honour for rescue 9/11 rescue dog.

Fleawuss · 07-06-2016 03:43PM #1

I saw this on the net and my first reaction was WTF. A dog is brought to the vet to be put down at the end of its working life. It was a 9/11 rescue dog. 15 years later a guard of honour is given to a dog who has no idea of what it means. None of his or her relatives will either. Now first reactions aren't always the best but I want AH to look at this and tell me: have we gone doggone nuts? Has the US gone 9/11 nuts? What do you think of this? Deserved? Appropriate? Lunatics taking over the asylum?

HalloweenJack · 07-06-2016 03:46PM

Why is it a big deal?

Maybe the dog doesn't understand but the humans know what they are doing, they are showing their respect for his help that day. I think it's a very nice gesture. Animals get treated like **** quite frequently, it's nice to see them being treated with some respect every now and again.

beach_walker · 07-06-2016 03:48PM

I've got a little something in my eye, excuse me...

gramar · 07-06-2016 03:48PM

Dead people don't know what's going on at their funeral but they still get buried with an appropriate ceremony and this dog has arguably contributed more to society than a lot of humans.

Story Bud? · 07-06-2016 03:49PM

gramar wrote: »

Dead people don't know what's going on at their funeral

Logic: the end to any argument.

everlast75 · 07-06-2016 03:51PM

anything that sets an example on how to honour and treat dogs correctly is in my view to be welcomed.

dogs are incredible creatures and I frequently have more empathy for them than humans

Cienciano · 07-06-2016 03:52PM

Americans can get pretty weird when it comes to things like this. Here they are saluting a sword in a box:

http://i.imgur.com/Y79nMPs.png

Fleawuss · 07-06-2016 03:53PM

Story Bud? wrote: »

Logic: the end to any argument.

I couldn't agree more. The dog isn't dead when it gets the guard of honour.

What's that I smell burning?

Mr. CooL ICE · 07-06-2016 03:53PM

If that dog saved a lot of lives, why shouldn't it receive some acknowledgement? RIP to the dog. The handler must be devastated.

SEPT 23 1989 · 07-06-2016 03:53PM

im sure the dog would have felt the love as he had his final walk through the guard of honour

Fleawuss · 07-06-2016 03:54PM

Cienciano wrote: »

Americans can get pretty weird when it comes to things like this. Here they are saluting a sword in a box:

http://i.imgur.com/Y79nMPs.png

There's definitely the emergence of a guard of honour and saluting fetish going on.

HornyDevil · 07-06-2016 03:55PM

This wont end well.

Richard Hillman · 07-06-2016 03:56PM

That dog is a hero.

maudgonner · 07-06-2016 03:56PM

A wussy flea is giving out about a dog getting all the glory.

I've seen it all now.

07-06-2016 04:03PM

I share your opinion OP.

I'm a dog lover but I'm not fanatical -- even working dogs are cognitively oblivious to the role they perform; they're not family, and they must never be mistreated & abused by applying anthropomorphic principles to them.

I have seen many dogs ending up with behavioural difficulties because of owners who insisted on treating their pets like little furry humans.

One of the core principles of good dog-management is knowing how to distinguish between human and canine responsibilities.

Dogs can be brave, but this dog did not understand the role he performed. The concept of saving lives would have been lost on him.

I'm sure this approach will be rebutted by some canine hairdresser, but the basic principle remains: canines respond to fairly basic stimuli and are generally incapable of complex cognitive processes. Brave dogs exist, but hardly 'heroes'.

ScumLord · 07-06-2016 04:04PM

If nothing else it's a reminder to the people that these dogs work with, that they're an important and vital part of the team. The dog was probably liked by everyone it met and may well have saved one or two of them.

Honoring the animals that benefit us has been a tradition that likely goes back to the earliest hunters, who would honor the animals they killed. I think it's something we should bring back, we should be honoring cattle in this country like we did in the past, without them we wouldn't be the same country.

everlast75 · 07-06-2016 04:12PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I share your opinion OP.

I'm a dog lover but I'm not fanatical -- even working dogs are cognitively oblivious to the role they perform; they're not family, and they must never be mistreated & abused by applying anthropomorphic principles to them.

I have seen many dogs ending up with behavioural difficulties because of owners who insisted on treating their pets like little furry humans.

One of the core principles of good dog-management is knowing how to distinguish between human and canine responsibilities.

Dogs can be brave, but this dog did not understand the role he performed. The concept of saving lives would have been lost on him.

I'm sure this approach will be rebutted by some canine hairdresser, but the basic principle remains: canines respond to fairly basic stimuli and are generally incapable of complex cognitive processes. Brave dogs exist, but hardly 'heroes'.

You lost me at "they're not family"...

Lt Dan · 07-06-2016 04:14PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

I saw this on the net and my first reaction was WTF. A dog is brought to the vet to be put down at the end of its working life. It was a 9/11 rescue dog. 15 years later a guard of honour is given to a dog who has no idea of what it means. None of his or her relatives will either. Now first reactions aren't always the best but I want AH to look at this and tell me: have we gone doggone nuts? Has the US gone 9/11 nuts? What do you think of this? Deserved? Appropriate? Lunatics taking over the asylum?

'Merica :rolleyes:

smash · 07-06-2016 04:16PM

I'm surprised they didn't stuff it and put it in a museum.

valoren · 07-06-2016 04:18PM

9/11

It was a ruff time for us all.

07-06-2016 04:19PM

everlast75 wrote: »

You lost me at "they're not family"...

Probably for the best.

smash · 07-06-2016 04:19PM

valoren wrote: »

9/11

It was a ruff time for us all.

You could be barking up the wrong tree here. Let's see how it plays out.

gramar · 07-06-2016 04:21PM

smash wrote: »

You could be barking up the wrong tree here. Let's see how it plays out.

Let's just hope that all dogs do go to heaven.

take everything · 07-06-2016 04:22PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I share your opinion OP.

I'm a dog lover but I'm not fanatical -- even working dogs are cognitively oblivious to the role they perform

How do you know about the cognition of a dog.

OP, I think you're being a bit ruff.
This dog was involved in (ca)nine eleven and the war on terrier.

Riddle101 · 07-06-2016 04:49PM

A ceremony giving recognition to an animal for it's services. I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

Allinall · 07-06-2016 04:52PM

Riddle101 wrote: »

A ceremony giving recognition to an animal for it's services. I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

I agree.

It certainly gave me paws for thought.

Wibbs · 07-06-2016 05:36PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

canines respond to fairly basic stimuli and are generally incapable of complex cognitive processes.

Right… so the examples of dogs that have vocabularies of over 200 words, that can understand the relationship between an icon of an object and the object itself, understand a mirror is a reflection and show an understanding of the self. That seems pretty damned complex. That's just the obvious "human" type stuff, their interactions with each other are highly complex. Hell there are corvids that can solve problems faster than most people.

Barry Badrinath · 07-06-2016 05:37PM

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I share your opinion OP.

I'm a dog lover but I'm not fanatical -- even working dogs are cognitively oblivious to the role they perform; they're not family, and they must never be mistreated & abused by applying anthropomorphic principles to them.

I have seen many dogs ending up with behavioural difficulties because of owners who insisted on treating their pets like little furry humans.

One of the core principles of good dog-management is knowing how to distinguish between human and canine responsibilities.

Dogs can be brave, but this dog did not understand the role he performed. The concept of saving lives would have been lost on him.

I'm sure this approach will be rebutted by some canine hairdresser, but the basic principle remains: canines respond to fairly basic stimuli and are generally incapable of complex cognitive processes. Brave dogs exist, but hardly 'heroes'.

Bullshiiiiiiiiiit!

If that dog saved at least one persons life during it's service, it's a hero in my book.

The dog may not be able to comprehend the importance of it's function but that's irrelevant.

If I was stuck under an overwhelming amount of rubble and debris, unconscious and unable to call for help. Id be delighted if there was a well trained rescue dog, whose purpose it was to detect me and hopefully, save my life.

As would you.

HensVassal · 07-06-2016 06:15PM

Nicolas Cage wrote: »

If that dog saved a lot of lives, why shouldn't it receive some acknowledgement? RIP to the dog. The handler must be devastated.

Christ, there's that word again...."devastated".

A town or city is devastated after an earthquake.

"Johnny didn't qualify for the tin whistle finals. He's devastated"

"the cat ran away, the family are said to be devastated".

Mr. CooL ICE · 07-06-2016 06:17PM

HensVassal wrote: »

Christ, there's that word again...."devastated".

A town or city is devastated after an earthquake.

"Johnny didn't qualify for the tin whistle finals. He's devastated"

"the cat ran away, the family are said to be devastated".

Uhh, what?

ScumLord · 07-06-2016 06:23PM

McGruber wrote: »

The dog may not be able to comprehend the importance of it's function but that's irrelevant.

If only people had the same level of work ethic a dog has. Whenever you see a dog working they're 100% focused on what they're doing, they get excited when they know they're going to work. They look delighted when they achieve the task they set out to achieve.

A rescue dog must have some idea what it's doing. They understand human pain, even emotional pain, they know a persons trapped and injured and that if they find them the person will be safe. Maybe when it comes to something like searching for drugs they don't understand the implications of their actions, they may be a bit perplexed by the anxiety of the people they point out, but a rescue dog probably knows exactly what it's doing and the implications of its actions. They probably don't contemplate the dangers the way humans do, so a human is probably more heroic in that they know they're putting their life on the line.

Guard of honour for rescue 9/11 rescue dog.

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