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GidCudi · 02-06-2016 10:01PM

Some very cool additions today...still missing something though.

Expecting another announcement in July after Foals play their show in Cork with them, Two Door Cinema Club, James Blake added. Just some curious gaps in their touring schedules at the start of September and very much EP style acts

The RBMA is strange being left off the website/poster

Would also love Le Galaxie to close Body & Soul on the Sunday...recreate the magic of the set in 2013

alastair · 02-06-2016 10:04PM

Blackie_IRL wrote: »

I could see LCD on the Friday and NG on the Sunday. I don't see why not based on previous years.

Noel Gallagher is playing the Sunday at Festival Number 6 in Portmerion, so he'll deffo not be on Sunday at EP.

Main stage headline acts IMO:
Friday - New Order, LCD Soundsystem
Saturday - NG, Chems (possible guest vocal for Noel?)
Sunday - LDR, TBA (still believe it'll be Radiohead)

And, of other Portmerion acts, can we have Echo and the Bunnymen, and Cassius?

MattD · 02-06-2016 10:35PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

So we can have two headliners on one night and none on another?

Yes

That's kinda rewriting the festival rulebook. One headline act per night is the norm, that's not to say you can't have a secondary band headlining one night and then three much bigger bands the following night.

And EP have not referred to LDR as a headliner in any paraphernalia I've seen.

Yes they have, when they put her name on top of the fecking poster...

Its nothing new:

2011, arcade fire and chemical brothers on Saturday. Both headliners

2009, flaming lips and basement jazz both on Sunday.

Ferris_Bueller · 02-06-2016 10:36PM

BullBlackNova wrote: »

When Red Bull had their Music Academy at Oxegen, it was a stage in the main arena. It wasn't just dance/electronic, etc either. I saw Broken Social Scene and Dirty Projectors on it. Could be that that they'll do again?

There is definitely a batch of tickets for 3 customers coming - EP said so in the comments on their Facebook page today.

I would guess its a relatively small amount unless 3 paid the big bucks to get their hands on some exclusivity to encourage a mass migration to their network.

The friend who I heard it off did say that he heard that Red Bull won't be focusing on techno/house as much so maybe we could see bands or other genres of music on it as well, hard to know. Apparently Red Bull weren't making as much money out of it as they could have because it was in the campsite and everyone was just bringing their own drink rather than buying drinks at the bar, which wouldn't be the case if it was moved into the arena. Also it could make sense if 3 run the woods stage as they seem to have more of an involvement in it this year, but we won't really know until something is announced I suppose. A Red Bull stage somewhere around where Despacio was on last year could make a lot of sense.

Ferris_Bueller · 02-06-2016 10:45PM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Gotta say that I'm in agreement with most here who feel a little underwhelmed by that. But hey, Amen to The Shins, Toots & Nas.

However, no need for some of the despondency. There's still space for a few decent acts there. The Chemical Brothers are pretty certain to be doing the Saturday late night electronic slot. That leaves LCD, NGHFBs (headline), New Order & LDR (sub-headline) meaning there are two other slots to fill. I still believe that Radiohead will be announced in two weeks when their physical album comes out (that Festival Republic tie-in for Berlin Lollapalooza is very significant) and we could also get a couple from Polly Jean, Iggy, Foals, Two Door Cinema Club or some surprise thrown in. If not Nas or The 1975 as a sub but but I don't see that happening.
We may also get M83/Grimes/Goat/King Gizzard and some others and for heritage acts we've still time to get one or two from James/Squeeze/Scritti Politti/Heaven 17, etc.

I think it's going to look great in another month and if I've lead anyone up the garden path with Radiohead expectations then I'll happily stand them a pint of expensive beer at the craft beer stall on the Friday afternoon. If, however, Radiohead are announced I'll happily accept beers from anyone.

I have really enjoyed all of your posts in this thread and have generally agreed with a lot of stuff you have said, but after the announcement today I have lost faith in the Radiohead theory. It would be great if some of the other acts you mentioned were announced at a later date also but I'm not expecting too much in the next announcement, it seems to be as if a lot of the big slots have been filled today and while there is still definitely a few big slots to fill and some good acts to come I'm sure, I think you will be in for a disappointment if you're expecting a lot of the above.

I convinced myself that the likes of M83, PJ Harvey, Iggy Pop, TDCC etc could be announced but if they weren't there today I can't see many (if any) of them coming later in the summer. There MIGHT be room for 1 more sub headliner on the main stage but it could easily be Nas & New Order, NGHFB & Chems, Lana & LCD as the 2 main acts each night on the main stage. Nas would be the one I'd have question marks over.

Also - the headliner argument is one that is going nowhere. It seems as if everyones definition of a headliner is different, but the 5 big acts up the top of the poster could all be classed as headliners for EP 2016.

02-06-2016 10:45PM

MattD, have another look.

Arcade Fire were the headliners in 2011. Chemical Bros the post-headliner late night act.

Basement Jaxx were the Sunday headliners in 2009, Flaming Lips were a direct clash in the Electric Arena.

Do I take it that if Radiohead are on the same night as LDR then she remains the headliner? LDR & the Chemicals are prominent on the poster but they won't be the main act of the evenings they're on.

MattD · 02-06-2016 10:52PM

Dude, can you not see that you're just attributing headliner status to whoever you see fit as the 'best' act on a day rather than the actual advertising and marketing put forward by the festival itself...?

The acts on the top of the poster are the headliners. That's the fact. What day they play is not the fact. The acts, bookers and agents negotiate these things such as poster placement. Yes, ldr could play body and soul at 7pm on a thursday, she's still factually the headliner because EP said so. Doesn't matter what you say/think.

And I've already said; yes you can have two headliners on the same day. So if Radiohead and ldr are on the same day, and EP PRESENTS THEM BOTH AS HEADLINERS, then yes they are both headliners.

Edit: we're just not going to agree, so I'll leave it. If Radiohead, PJ Harvey and Iggy pop get announced in the next month, I guess I'll eat my words.

02-06-2016 10:56PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Seathrun66 wrote: »

Gotta say that I'm in agreement with most here who feel a little underwhelmed by that. But hey, Amen to The Shins, Toots & Nas.

However, no need for some of the despondency. There's still space for a few decent acts there. The Chemical Brothers are pretty certain to be doing the Saturday late night electronic slot. That leaves LCD, NGHFBs (headline), New Order & LDR (sub-headline) meaning there are two other slots to fill. I still believe that Radiohead will be announced in two weeks when their physical album comes out (that Festival Republic tie-in for Berlin Lollapalooza is very significant) and we could also get a couple from Polly Jean, Iggy, Foals, Two Door Cinema Club or some surprise thrown in. If not Nas or The 1975 as a sub but but I don't see that happening.
We may also get M83/Grimes/Goat/King Gizzard and some others and for heritage acts we've still time to get one or two from James/Squeeze/Scritti Politti/Heaven 17, etc.

I think it's going to look great in another month and if I've lead anyone up the garden path with Radiohead expectations then I'll happily stand them a pint of expensive beer at the craft beer stall on the Friday afternoon. If, however, Radiohead are announced I'll happily accept beers from anyone.

I have really enjoyed all of your posts in this thread and have generally agreed with a lot of stuff you have said, but after the announcement today I have lost faith in the Radiohead theory. It would be great if some of the other acts you mentioned were announced at a later date also but I'm not expecting too much in the next announcement, it seems to be as if a lot of the big slots have been filled today and while there is still definitely a few big slots to fill and some good acts to come I'm sure, I think you will be in for a disappointment if you're expecting a lot of the above.

I convinced myself that the likes of M83, PJ Harvey, Iggy Pop, TDCC etc could be announced but if they weren't there today I can't see many (if any) of them coming later in the summer. There MIGHT be room for 1 more sub headliner on the main stage but it could easily be Nas & New Order, NGHFB & Chems, Lana & LCD as the 2 main acts each night on the main stage. Nas would be the one I'd have question marks over.

Also - the headliner argument is one that is going nowhere. It seems as if everyones definition of a headliner is different, but the 5 big acts up the top of the poster could all be classed as headliners for EP 2016.

I agree with all of that. The headliner argument has gone completely subjective and time to put it to bed.

However I'm still confident about Radiohead (a gap, Berlin FR booking, their tour schedule, fests they've played, album release fitting in with announcement, etc) but aware that a big chance I'm wrong and Foals/TDCC may arrive instead. I wasn't expecting most of the above acts, but feel we'll get a few more. Let's hope I'm right. I'll happily eat humble pie if not.

02-06-2016 11:04PM

MattD wrote: »

Dude, can you not see that you're just attributing headliner status to whoever you see fit as the 'best' act on a day rather than the actual advertising and marketing put forward by the festival itself...?

The acts on the top of the poster are the headliners. That's the fact. What day they play is not the fact. The acts, bookers and agents negotiate these things such as poster placement. Yes, ldr could play body and soul at 7pm on a thursday, she's still factually the headliner because EP said so. Doesn't matter what you say/think.

And I've already said; yes you can have two headliners on the same day. So if Radiohead and ldr are on the same day, and EP PRESENTS THEM BOTH AS HEADLINERS, then yes they are both headliners.

Just check any definition of headliner, and you won't find it to include two acts on any given night, nor the person third or fourth on the bill. You've put down the Flaming Lips as a headliner when they played the Electric Arena and Sam Smith as a headliner when he preceded Blur. I'm simply saying that I believe that the Chemicals will play after the headliner (as they have twice before I think) and their place at the top of the poster does not make them headliners. Similarly with LDR who I think will sub a bigger act.
And we won't get all of Radiohead, Iggy & PJH but I think there's a good chance of two of them.
But hey Matt, let's agree to disagree cos we're going nowhere here and it can't be fun reading for other posters. Let's look forward to the fest and more decent announcements. All the best and enjoy your weekend.

02-06-2016 11:15PM

Btw guys LCD Soundsystem are live now on a stream from Primavera. Radiohead tomorrow night about 9pm:

http://live.primaverasound.barcelona/#

TheGoldenAges · 03-06-2016 12:08AM

Kaiden Old Therapy wrote: »

I'm baffled and will remain baffled about lana del Ray as a headliner

Born to Die is like one of the biggest selling albums in the last 5 years IN IRELAND! Dunno about current figures but she sold 35,000 copies of it here in 2013 when her Vicar Street gig came around. It's probably closer to 50,000 now.
Both her last 2 records were top of the charts. 3 number 1 albums kinda tells it's own story as well.

Oasis_Dublin · 03-06-2016 12:21AM

Happy with Noely G, even if I did just buy tickets to his Belfast gig recently.

The Shins are also a nice addition.

There's SFA chance of Radiohead being booked at an already sold out festival. Blossoms are being announced for everything I'm going to, between Last Shadow Puppets and the Stone Roses.

scruff monkey · 03-06-2016 12:40AM

If they were booked it would have been done and dusted a long time ago, lcd were booked at last years festival and many of the larger acts would have been sorted or negotiating their dates at the same time.

Bootsy. · 03-06-2016 07:04AM

Toots & The Maytals have themselves down for the Sunday. They stuck it up on their Facebook today.

Thundercats Ho · 03-06-2016 07:19AM

Arne_Saknussem wrote: »

Can we get a ban for the first person in here to refer to him as 'Noely G' in a non ironic way??

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Happy with Noely G, even if I did just buy tickets to his Belfast gig recently.

Didn't take too long.....

Thundercats Ho · 03-06-2016 07:20AM

Can we drop the headliners thing pretty please?

Oh, and Basement Jazz?
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Blackie_IRL · 03-06-2016 07:43AM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

The friend who I heard it off did say that he heard that Red Bull won't be focusing on techno/house as much so maybe we could see bands or other genres of music on it as well, hard to know. Apparently Red Bull weren't making as much money out of it as they could have because it was in the campsite and everyone was just bringing their own drink rather than buying drinks at the bar, which wouldn't be the case if it was moved into the arena. Also it could make sense if 3 run the woods stage as they seem to have more of an involvement in it this year, but we won't really know until something is announced I suppose. A Red Bull stage somewhere around where Despacio was on last year could make a lot of sense.

I heard it will be a disco/funk stage they are running this year. They are lining up some big name DJ's.

leakyboots · 03-06-2016 08:34AM

Blackie_IRL wrote: »

I heard it will be a disco/funk stage they are running this year. They are lining up some big name DJ's.

Would have thought Casa Bacardi already covers that

sadie06 · 03-06-2016 08:47AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

However I'm still confident about Radiohead (a gap, Berlin FR booking, their tour schedule, fests they've played, album release fitting in with announcement, etc) but aware that a big chance I'm wrong and Foals/TDCC may arrive instead.

If you were Jesus I'd be your disciple. I believe in you!

OhHiMark · 03-06-2016 09:20AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

However I'm still confident about Radiohead (a gap, Berlin FR booking, their tour schedule, fests they've played, album release fitting in with announcement, etc)

What announcement is the album release fitting in with? You have created an announcement in your head that's going to happen after the album release and you're using this as evidence they'll be announced?

scruff monkey · 03-06-2016 09:24AM

leakyboots wrote: »

Would have thought Casa Bacardi already covers that

Disco/Funk? Casa Bacardi? Thems the last musical types I would have associated with that pit of despair and boom boom noises.

leakyboots · 03-06-2016 09:43AM

scruff monkey wrote: »

Disco/Funk? Casa Bacardi? Thems the last musical types I would have associated with that pit of despair and boom boom noises.

I typically go there in the afternoon - Dimitri from Paris, Get Down Edits, The Reflex etc.

03-06-2016 09:56AM

OhHiMark wrote: »

Seathrun66 wrote: »

However I'm still confident about Radiohead (a gap, Berlin FR booking, their tour schedule, fests they've played, album release fitting in with announcement, etc)

What announcement is the album release fitting in with? You have created an announcement in your head that's going to happen after the album release and you're using this as evidence they'll be announced?

The album hits the shops on 17 June. I believe that if Radiohead (not a band to miss a trick) are playing they will have an agreement with EP to announce that week to boost sales. I also think it's a possibility that they're playing Bestival and/or Rock en Seine and will align the announcements. Their website alluded to more dates to be announced and the three week gap between Summer Sonic Tokyo and Lollapaloza Berlin is a lengthy one. It could be the band taking a break but I think not. Add in the Festival Republic link to Berlin, the similar sized festival shows they're doing, the gap I see in the EP lineup (disputed by many I accept) and I expect them to play. Mid-June is late, but it'll still leave 11 weeks before the festival. I would be very surprised if Berlin is a standalone gig in the six weeks between Japanese and US festivals. And we always get three announcements.

BullBlackNova · 03-06-2016 10:57AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

The album hits the shops on 17 June. I believe that if Radiohead (not a band to miss a trick) are playing they will have an agreement with EP to announce that week to boost sales. I also think it's a possibility that they're playing Bestival and/or Rock en Seine and will align the announcements. Their website alluded to more dates to be announced and the three week gap between Summer Sonic Tokyo and Lollapaloza Berlin is a lengthy one. It could be the band taking a break but I think not. Add in the Festival Republic link to Berlin, the similar sized festival shows they're doing, the gap I see in the EP lineup (disputed by many I accept) and I expect them to play. Mid-June is late, but it'll still leave 11 weeks before the festival. I would be very surprised if Berlin is a standalone gig in the six weeks between Japanese and US festivals. And we always get three announcements.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm gonna counter your points with own thinking on each.

- I don't think Radiohead will need to boost physical sales in any shape or form. They still sell very well. Plus, a 50,000 capacity festival won't make much of a difference to their sales AND the Irish market (in terms of record sales) is quite a small, unimportant one to most bands. Radiohead will sell more in parts of Germany, the US or Japan than they would in the entire country here. You've used the 'physical sales' argument a few times and there just doesn't seem to be any basis to it other than you think it might be the case.

- They did allude to more gigs being announced when they announced the tour in March, no sign of them yet. Could be EP, Bestival, etc like you mention, or it could be more arena/intimate shows later in the year. They have long gaps but you suggesting Bestival, etc is as likely as me suggesting the 3 in November. We're both basing it on nothing concrete. They announced the festival shows before the world tour announcement in March, since it has only been arena gigs.

- Festival Republic also organise Longitude, Reading & Leeds and a few others. Again, we're as likely to pull bands from those as Lolla Berlin. Again, not saying it won't happen, but gut feelings and all that...

- We usually get more than 3 announcements of acts. Excluding the smaller stages, four wouldn't be unusual. I'd expect one in late June/early July with one or two mid tier acts and a host of Irish bands, and one in August to finalise the bill with bands who may be elsewhere in Ireland between now and then (like Jenny Lewis was added two years ago, for e.g.)

- Mainly, I just don't see the benefit of leaving the biggest draw THIS late. It doesn't make a whole pile of sense. When it became clear that Radiohead, LCD, etc were back and touring, what is the benefit of holding them back until mid-summer? Whatever about one announcement, but after two?

I just don't see it. Your optimism is impressive but I would be very, very, very surprised if Radiohead get added at this stage.

scruff monkey · 03-06-2016 11:08AM

BullBlackNova wrote: »

...- I don't think Radiohead will need to boost physical sales in any shape or form.

Would agree on the physical sales thing totally but like all bands they would be looking to maximise digital downloads/streaming and the publicity wouldn't hurt unless they've got another batch of videos ready in the pipeline.
(I'd love to see them but the line up is pretty good looking to me as it is)

BullBlackNova wrote: »

(like Jenny Lewis was added two years ago, for e.g.)

aaaah, Sr. Jenny, her set was way too short (cos she was late getting going), and then the bint decided to go climbing on us wasting even more time.

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BullBlackNova · 03-06-2016 11:11AM

scruff monkey wrote: »

Would agree on the physical sales thing totally but like all bands they would be looking to maximise digital downloads/streaming and the publicity wouldn't hurt unless they've got another batch of videos ready in the pipeline.
(I'd love to see them but the line up is pretty good looking to me as it is)

aaaah, Sr. Jenny, her set was way too short (cos she was late getting going), and then the bint decided to go climbing on us wasting even more time.

https://c5.staticflickr.com/6/5590/14935303020_3364a9809f_z.jpg

Absolutely - the publicity will do them no harm, but I just think that the benefit would be so minimal it wouldn't be worth them holding off for that specifically, y'know?

03-06-2016 11:12AM

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Seathrun66 wrote: »

The album hits the shops on 17 June. I believe that if Radiohead (not a band to miss a trick) are playing they will have an agreement with EP to announce that week to boost sales. I also think it's a possibility that they're playing Bestival and/or Rock en Seine and will align the announcements. Their website alluded to more dates to be announced and the three week gap between Summer Sonic Tokyo and Lollapaloza Berlin is a lengthy one. It could be the band taking a break but I think not. Add in the Festival Republic link to Berlin, the similar sized festival shows they're doing, the gap I see in the EP lineup (disputed by many I accept) and I expect them to play. Mid-June is late, but it'll still leave 11 weeks before the festival. I would be very surprised if Berlin is a standalone gig in the six weeks between Japanese and US festivals. And we always get three announcements.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm gonna counter your points with own thinking on each.

- I don't think Radiohead will need to boost physical sales in any shape or form. They still sell very well. Plus, a 50,000 capacity festival won't make much of a difference to their sales AND the Irish market (in terms of record sales) is quite a small, unimportant one to most bands. Radiohead will sell more in parts of Germany, the US or Japan than they would in the entire country here. You've used the 'physical sales' argument a few times and there just doesn't seem to be any basis to it other than you think it might be the case.

- They did allude to more gigs being announced when they announced the tour in March, no sign of them yet. Could be EP, Bestival, etc like you mention, or it could be more arena/intimate shows later in the year. They have long gaps but you suggesting Bestival, etc is as likely as me suggesting the 3 in November. We're both basing it on nothing concrete. They announced the festival shows before the world tour announcement in March, since it has only been arena gigs.

- Festival Republic also organise Longitude, Reading & Leeds and a few others. Again, we're as likely to pull bands from those as Lolla Berlin. Again, not saying it won't happen, but gut feelings and all that...

- We usually get more than 3 announcements of acts. Excluding the smaller stages, four wouldn't be unusual. I'd expect one in late June/early July with one or two mid tier acts and a host of Irish bands, and one in August to finalise the bill with bands who may be elsewhere in Ireland between now and then (like Jenny Lewis was added two years ago, for e.g.)

- Mainly, I just don't see the benefit of leaving the biggest draw THIS late. It doesn't make a whole pile of sense. When it became clear that Radiohead, LCD, etc were back and touring, what is the benefit of holding them back until mid-summer? Whatever about one announcement, but after two?

I just don't see it. Your optimism is impressive but I would be very, very, very surprised if Radiohead get added at this stage.

All good points and only time will tell. Everything you say makes sense but can I just add a couple of responses. The Irish market is tiny for them, but if they make an announcement for a few European festivals together then that's significant publicity. They'll sell well anyway, but why not boost the sales this way? Is there a savvier band about, and why miss any chance to add to sales?

The timing of the announcement will not be in EP's hands but tied-up in an agreement with the Radiohead lawyers. I think that EP would like it done and dusted but will be in a binding non-disclosure contract if they're playing.

When they announced the Amsterdam, Paris and London gigs they said that these would be the only standalone Radiohead gigs. Thus only festivals to be announced. They may do arena gigs in Nov/Dec but that would contradict their earlier press releases. Like you I'm not going to say the arenas won't happen but I believe that festival dates will still be announced. EP may not be one of the lucky benefactors, but I'm still optimistic. Let's hope I'm right or we'll both be disappointed.

ghostdancer · 03-06-2016 11:19AM

they're not playing Bestival as the only headliner they have left to announce is the Sunday one, and Radiohead are playing Berlin that night.

BullBlackNova · 03-06-2016 11:31AM

Seathrun66 wrote: »

All good points and only time will tell. Everything you say makes sense but can I just add a couple of responses. The Irish market is tiny for them, but if they make an announcement for a few European festivals together then that's significant publicity. They'll sell well anyway, but why not boost the sales this way? Is there a savvier band about, and why miss any chance to add to sales?

True enough - as I mentioned in another reply, I just don't the boost is significant enough to have warranted the delay. If anything, digital sales would have been boosted by a greater margin already if they had announced.

Seathrun66 wrote: »

When they announced the Amsterdam, Paris and London gigs they said that these would be the only standalone Radiohead gigs. Thus only festivals to be announced. They may do arena gigs in Nov/Dec but that would contradict their earlier press releases. Like you I'm not going to say the arenas won't happen but I believe that festival dates will still be announced. EP may not be one of the lucky benefactors, but I'm still optimistic. Let's hope I'm right or we'll both be disappointed.

This we can 100% agree on!!

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I'm now crossing fingers and toes for the undercard, though. Headliners never made or broke it for me, but I'd love M83, Car Seat Headrest, Mark Lanegan or a few more hip-hop acts like Chance the Rapper to be added if any of them were about!!

PabloAndRoy · 03-06-2016 11:32AM

The idea of 3 running the forest thing is a more than a little worrying for me. I personally would have no confidence in 3 delivering on anything noteworthy. Expect bland house music for the masses. Plus their fecking colour scheme .. it hurts my eyes. That fvcking 3 penthouse thing is an ugly piece of sh!te.

At least RBMA have brought some pedigree to that area in terms of quality acts. Although last year was poor admittedly. Its like nostalgia .. its just not what it used to be

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