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The Second Coming - Garth on his way, again, possibly, 2017

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  • #152
    hynesie08
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    Nice to see so many people from the old thread post here under new names.


  • #153
    The Raptor
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    bobmalooka wrote: »
    Give over, the event finished at night.

    You're right it was summer time, that changes everything.

    Edit: nice dodge, want to address the rest of my post or just focus on your definition of night?

    Why didn't you answer mine so?

    Do you not see the residents problem with their bar? Does that make it ok for them to spout over exaggerated claims to get their way?


  • #154
    bobmalooka
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    The Raptor wrote: »
    Why didn't you answer mine so?

    Do you not see the residents problem with their bar? Does that make it ok for them to spout over exaggerated claims to get their way?

    I have no knowledge of the issue with a bar, I'd consider that a local issue.

    I don't agree with using over exaggeration claims, there are valid objections to having events of that scale in a residential area for a sustained period without extra claims.


  • #155
    The Raptor
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    bobmalooka wrote: »
    I have no knowledge of the issue with a bar, I'd consider that a local issue.

    I don't agree with using over exaggeration claims, there are valid objections to having events of that scale in a residential area for a sustained period without extra claims.

    It's all over the internet that their only concern is with their bar.

    Here's a nice video about their real issues

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EUVXUxAo4-4


  • #156
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,251 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    The Raptor wrote: »
    bobmalooka wrote: »
    I have no knowledge of the issue with a bar, I'd consider that a local issue.

    I don't agree with using over exaggeration claims, there are valid objections to having events of that scale in a residential area for a sustained period without extra claims.

    It's all over the internet that their only concern is with their bar.

    Here's a nice video about their real issues

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EUVXUxAo4-4
    So people aren't pissing in their gardens, puking everywhere and it's ONLY about the bar????

    Even you can't believe that.


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  • #157
    end of the road
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    bobmalooka wrote: »
    They applied for an unprecedented amount of concerts without checking the viability no?

    The timescale of the application and subsequent process left the planners in a position where they would have to either accept or reject the application at relatively short notice.

    I consider that high pressure. The subsequent hysteria suggests I might be right

    incorrect, they applied for concerts. there was no high pressure tactics applied by the promotor. the council were more or less fine with the amount.
    bobmalooka wrote: »
    I've outlined why it was high pressure tactics.

    The promoter knew the problems added dates caused in the past -see your own example of 2009.

    The promoter knew that length of the application process and knew the city manager was left with the choice of disappointing a huge amount of ticket holders or ****ting all over the local residents valid well established objections.

    The promoter was banking on the city manager caving in - that's high pressure tactics.

    The attempts at finding badly thought out compromises that you cited above are further evidence that the pressure was felt.

    again incorrect. the attempts at finding compromises were a way of insuring the vast majority of the gigs could happen.
    bobmalooka wrote: »
    I take if you're joking?

    Do you really not see the issue with having events of that scale on your doorstep?

    Croke Park is in a residential area which isn't suitable for night time events.

    However it's the largest venue in the country so there is huge demand to use it.

    The compromise is an agreed amount of concerts - Aiken decided to ignore his knowledge of TD situation, sell tickets anyway and bulldoze through the planning.

    all that is what one signs up for when they live beside an entertainment venue. Aiken didn't bulldoze through the planning, he applied for the concerts which isn't against planning law

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #158
    John_Rambo
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Wow! What a bigot!

    It was a bit tongue in cheek. Still, though, I can play your game. Wow! What a racist!
    end of the road wrote: »
    all that is what one signs up for when they live beside an entertainment venue. Aiken didn't bulldoze through the planning, he applied for the concerts which isn't against planning law

    Nice try *Sports venue.


  • #159
    bobmalooka
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    end of the road wrote: »
    incorrect, they applied for concerts. there was no high pressure tactics applied by the promotor. the council were more or less fine with the amount.



    again incorrect. the attempts at finding compromises were a way of insuring the vast majority of the gigs could happen.



    all that is what one signs up for when they live beside an entertainment venue. Aiken didn't bulldoze through the planning, he applied for the concerts which isn't against planning law

    1. More or less fine? The proof is in the pudding

    2. whqt you've said here supports my point. The desire to find a compromise was a result of the pressure from very upset fans.

    3. I'm not childish enough to shout incorrect do I'll just point out the reality. (A)Its a sport venue - hense the need to apply for permission to hold non sporting events.
    (B) Correct, he didn't bulldoze through planning. The lack of concerts is proof of that.


  • #160
    The Raptor
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    It was a bit tongue in cheek. Still, though, I can play your game. Wow! What a racist!



    Nice try *Sports venue.

    Sports and concert venue.


  • #161
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,457 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    The Raptor wrote: »
    Sports and concert venue.

    Croke Park - Home of the GAA and Ireland's Gaelic Games - Croke Park


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  • #162
    The Raptor
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Croke Park - Home of the GAA and Ireland's Gaelic Games - Croke Park

    https://crokepark.ie/concerts


  • #163
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,531 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bobmalooka wrote: »
    1. More or less fine? The proof is in the pudding

    2. whqt you've said here supports my point. The desire to find a compromise was a result of the pressure from very upset fans.

    3. I'm not childish enough to shout incorrect do I'll just point out the reality. (A)Its a sport venue - hense the need to apply for permission to hold non sporting events.
    (B) Correct, he didn't bulldoze through planning. The lack of concerts is proof of that.

    the lack of concerts is only the proof of lack of concerts. the promotor didn't bulldoze through planning. the council were fine with the amount until the last minute. what i said doesn't support your point, no pressure was applied. the promotor operated within the book.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #164
    John_Rambo
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    The Raptor wrote: »
    https://crokepark.ie/concerts

    But not five concerts in a row. And that's tried and turned down. Sourly, sorry to bring reality crashing down on you.


  • #165
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,457 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    end of the road wrote: »
    the lack of concerts is only the proof of lack of concerts. the promotor didn't bulldoze through planning. the council were fine with the amount until the last minute. what i said doesn't support your point, no pressure was applied. the promotor operated within the book.

    The people stood up to it. The people won.


  • #166
    The Raptor
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    But not five concerts in a row. And that's tried and turned down. Sourly, sorry to bring reality crashing down on you.

    I was only pointing out that its a sporting and concert venue.


  • #167
    John_Rambo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,457 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    The Raptor wrote: »
    I was only pointing out that its a sporting and concert venue.

    It's a sporting venue. Concerts are held there, but it's primarily a sports venue. Five massive concerts in a row was overkill, it's a built up area. It was lazy and greedy, it didn't happen for good reasons. Why doesn't he do a number of concerts in areas where his fan-base are? To much work and not enough profit - To hell with the fans...

    Greedy.


  • #168
    The Raptor
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    It's a sporting venue. Concerts are held there, but it's primarily a sports venue. Five massive concerts in a row was overkill, it's a built up area. It was lazy and greedy, it didn't happen for good reasons. Why doesn't he do a number of concerts in areas where his fan-base are? To much work and not enough profit - To hell with the fans...

    Greedy.

    Ah jaysus, get over it. I was pointing out that it was also a concert venue and you went on about five concerts, yadda yadda yadda


  • #169
    John_Rambo
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    The Raptor wrote: »
    Ah jaysus, get over it. I was pointing out that it was also a concert venue and you went on about five concerts, yadda yadda yadda

    Fair point. I'm an awful man for the yadda yadda yadda stuff.


  • #170
    end of the road
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    John_Rambo wrote: »
    The people stood up to it. The people won.

    the people didn't stand up to it, a small number of residents did. they won nothing as they have only delayed the inevitable of the venue being used more and more. there was more for the concerts then against, due to the amount of money it would have brought into the local economy. even by non gb fans like myself who see a benefit even if i don't like the act.
    John_Rambo wrote: »
    It's a sporting venue. Concerts are held there, but it's primarily a sports venue. Five massive concerts in a row was overkill, it's a built up area. It was lazy and greedy, it didn't happen for good reasons. Why doesn't he do a number of concerts in areas where his fan-base are? To much work and not enough profit - To hell with the fans...

    Greedy.

    it's not over kill, that's what the venue is there for. it was not lazy and greedy, it was simply making use of something that lies idle a lot of the time which is costing money, which should be in use. i don't know why other venues weren't used as well, that's up to the promotor to make a business decisian.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #171
    John_Rambo
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    end of the road wrote: »
    that's what the venue is there for

    Nonsense. It's a sports venue with limited amount of concerts. Greed took over, the little people won. End of.

    (see, I can post like you)


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  • #172
    bobmalooka
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    end of the road wrote: »
    the people didn't stand up to it, a small number of residents did. they won nothing as they have only delayed the inevitable of the venue being used more and more. there was more for the concerts then against, due to the amount of money it would have brought into the local economy. even by non gb fans like myself who see a benefit even if i don't like the act.



    it's not over kill, that's what the venue is there for. it was not lazy and greedy, it was simply making use of something that lies idle a lot of the time which is costing money, which should be in use. i don't know why other venues weren't used as well, that's up to the promotor to make a business decisian.

    Solidarity with the residents. I support their fight against the race to the bottom.

    The area is not suitable for an intense schedule of events.


  • #173
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,531 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Nonsense. It's a sports venue with limited amount of concerts. Greed took over, the little people won. End of.

    (see, I can post like you)

    there was no greed. the little people didn't win, there were a huge amount for the concerts, and a small few against them. see, i can post like you.
    bobmalooka wrote: »
    Solidarity with the residents. I support their fight against the race to the bottom.

    The area is not suitable for an intense schedule of events.

    it's not the most ideal but it will do.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #174
    bobmalooka
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    end of the road wrote: »
    there was no greed. the little people didn't win, there were a huge amount for the concerts, and a small few against them. see, i can post like you.

    Why should the few be subjected to the various problems with events of that scale for the entertainment of others?


  • #175
    bobmalooka
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    end of the road wrote: »
    there was no greed. the little people didn't win, there were a huge amount for the concerts, and a small few against them. see, i can post like you.



    it's not the most ideal but it will do.

    It didn't do for Brooks though did it?


  • #176
    John_Rambo
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    end of the road wrote: »
    there was no greed. the little people didn't win, there were a huge amount for the concerts, and a small few against them. see, i can post like you.

    Silly post. Greed was the reason for five nights, everyone knows this. Just because there's less people, doesn't mean they can be bullied.


  • #177
    end of the road
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    bobmalooka wrote: »
    Why should the few be subjected to the various problems with events of that scale for the entertainment of others?

    because the venue needs using to keep costs of leaving it idel down, and events bring money into the local economy. benefiting the vast majority of citizens in dublin.
    John_Rambo wrote: »
    Silly post. Greed was the reason for five nights, everyone knows this. Just because there's less people, doesn't mean they can be bullied.

    no the amount of people wanting to go to the concert was the reason for 5 nights. nobody was bullied.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #178
    bobmalooka
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    end of the road wrote: »
    because the venue needs using to keep costs of leaving it idel down, and events bring money into the local economy. benefiting the vast majority of citizens in dublin.



    no the amount of people wanting to go to the concert was the reason for 5 nights. nobody was bullied.

    Good thing we have planning laws to restrain your hardcore capitalist beliefs.

    There are other venues with other local economies which can benefit from events. There's no need to force an inordinate amount on the unlucky few.


  • #179
    end of the road
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    a
    bobmalooka wrote: »
    Good thing we have planning laws to restrain your hardcore capitalist beliefs.

    There are other venues with other local economies which can benefit from events. There's no need to force an inordinate amount on the unlucky few.

    dublin needs more money, and events bring in money into the local economy. there is room for huge amounts of events for everyone. but promotors have to put on events in the places that will bring the best return for investment

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #180
    bobmalooka
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    end of the road wrote: »
    a

    dublin needs more money, and events bring in money into the local economy. there is room for huge amounts of events for everyone. but promotors have to put on events in the places that will bring the best return for investment

    Needs more money from who exactly? Rural Ireland?

    the limiting factor on event ROI in Ireland/dublin is ticket sales not appropriate venues.
    Brooks had other options to fulfill the ticket demand than croke park and still achieve a better ROI than he can anywhere else. It stands to reason his ego was the reason not money.

    Again, no compelling need to subject one particular residential area to an inordinate amount of disruption.


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  • #181
    Snowfire
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    It was hilarious to see all the t shirt traders around croker, at the Springsteen gig last weekend, trying to get rid of all the cowboy hats that were clearly intended for the brooks gigs last year. And no one buying them.


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