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The Hazards of Belief

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Why? Because although airplanes were used as weapons of mass destruction, "most people" understand that the average airplane doesn't intend them any harm.
    "Most people" understand that airplanes are mechanical objects and have no intentions whatsoever. Religiously inspired hijackers on the other hand, did intend harm.
    oscarBravo wrote: »
    It's only insensitive to have a Muslim centre in downtown Manhattan if you insist on conflating Islam with terrorism, which is every bit as reasonable as conflating Irishness with terrorism.
    Not just in "downtown Manhattan", but in one of buildings that was hit by the hijackers.
    After the Grand Hotel in Brighton was bombed by the IRA, there is no way it could have been rebuilt as an Irish cultural centre. The locals would have blocked it, and the Irish community would never have been so insensitive as to even try it.
    In your fanatical adherence to extreme pc nonsense, you have become completely divorced from reality.


  • Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,863 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    recedite wrote: »
    ...fanatical adherence to extreme pc nonsense...

    Ah, I see where I went wrong. I thought I was having an intelligent conversation.

    Carry on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    interesting one

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36382596
    Muslim students in Switzerland must shake their teacher's hand at the beginning and end of lessons, a regional authority has ruled.

    A controversial exemption from the tradition had been granted for two teenage brothers whose interpretation of the Koran meant they were unwilling to touch a member of the opposite sex.

    If they continue to refuse, their parents could face a fine.

    The regional authority said teachers "had the right" to demand handshakes.

    Shaking teachers' hands as a sign of respect is a longstanding tradition in Switzerland.

    When it emerged last month that a middle school had allowed two Syrian brothers aged 14 and 15 to avoid the tradition due to their religious beliefs, it sparked a national controversy.

    The boys, whose father is an imam, said their faith did not allow them to shake hands with a woman who was not related to them.

    Justice Minister Simonetta Sommaruga said on television that "shaking hands is part of our culture".

    There are about 350,000 Muslims in Switzerland, which has a population of eight million.

    Some Swiss Muslim groups said there was no religious justification for refusing to shake a female teacher's hand and urged the Swiss not to give in to extremist demands. But one Islamic organisation said a handshake between men and women was prohibited.

    The family's citizenship process was halted and the migration office in Basel said it was seeking more information about the circumstances under which the boys' father's asylum request was approved.

    'Relieved'

    The school, in the small northern town of Therwil, had tried to find a compromise in the matter by deciding the boys should not shake hands with male or female teachers.

    Later, after considerable media attention, the school turned to regional authorities to settle the matter.

    The authorities said in a statement on Wednesday that "the public interest concerning gender equality as well as integration of foreigners far outweighs that concerning the freedom of belief of students".

    The school said it was "relieved" at the ruling and that there was now "clarity on how to proceed".

    In future, the parents or guardians of pupils in the northern canton of Basel-Country could face fines of up to 5,000 Swiss francs (£3,400; $5,000; 4,500 euros) if the pupils refuse to shake hands with a teacher.

    The boys told Swiss media (in German) that "nobody could make them" shake hands with a woman, and that they "could not just delete their culture as if it were a hard drive".

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    silverharp wrote: »
    The should just have made them bow or take the knee instead.:pac:

    I'll raise you...a rejection of the entirety of Swedish society, even a rejection of the life giving properties of the sun and medical science, all in the name of Islam.





    She does have a point though, the Swedes have destroyed their own society, and she is emblematic of that failure, the Kaposi sarcoma of Swedish societies underlying illness..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,876 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Kaposi sarcoma

    Very revealing.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Very revealing.

    I've nothing to reveal, I mean what I say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,876 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    OK so no particular reason you mentioned an extremely rare cancer which almost exclusively affects AIDS patients.
    Uhuh.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    OK so no particular reason you mentioned an extremely rare cancer which almost exclusively affects AIDS patients.
    Uhuh.

    I didn't use it for "no particular reason". You have a foreign element, which happily consumes, yet rejects literally every single other aspect of Sweden, society and people, even 21st century medicine.
    Its symptomatic of a deeper underlying malaise afflicting the host, as a kaposi sarcoma lesion would be indicative of a greater illness within a person.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Patriarch Kirill, topdog within Russia's heavily compliant Orthodox Church, has announced that the Soviet Union managed to keep its christian roots alive and well, and hence avoid the wholesale moral destruction which is now taking place in Europe and the USA.

    http://ria.ru/religion/20160525/1439347404.html

    BTW, from the photo in the article, it seems that Patriarch Kirill has learned from bitter experience to keep his wrists beneath the table for publicity photos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,858 ✭✭✭Mark Hamill


    Eating is an essential activity for optimal brain function, prayer is not. Also, it makes sense to have a cafeterias for each building rather than one giant building that would be required to service the entire campus, the same is not true of prayer rooms.

    UCD iirc, has a religious building and prayer rooms etc, its been four years since I graduated and I never used them but I remember the facilities did exist.

    Its a waste of space and pandering to a religion, there are religious facilities available, why should you get special treatment?

    The main canteen does serve the entire campus. The other canteens are only a secondary choice, nobody has to use them. The canteen in the science block is quite big, it could be turned into another lecture theatre or even a lab, meaning more space for academic work.

    UCD has a christian church of some kind, but it doesn't have one single building purely for all religions. The prayer rooms are the designated space for muslims to pray. If it makes sense to have multiple canteens across campus, instead of just one large one (which it has anyway), why doesn't make sense to have multiple prayer rooms?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    The main canteen does serve the entire campus. The other canteens are only a secondary choice, nobody has to use them. The canteen in the science block is quite big, it could be turned into another lecture theatre or even a lab, meaning more space for academic work.

    UCD has a christian church of some kind, but it doesn't have one single building purely for all religions. The prayer rooms are the designated space for muslims to pray. If it makes sense to have multiple canteens across campus, instead of just one large one (which it has anyway), why doesn't make sense to have multiple prayer rooms?
    I dont know about that, there is a religious building, I assumed it wasnt solely christian. There are chaplains, counselling, fair enough if they haven't been allocated enough space at that location, I could understand the need for multiple prayer locations. But to me it seems more of a pander to the whole "pray all day" ****e, which is unnecessary, thats a choice you make, its not up to the university to accommodate that. Its a waste of resources.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    I didn't use it for "no particular reason". You have a foreign element, which happily consumes, yet rejects literally every single other aspect of Sweden, society and people, even 21st century medicine.
    Its symptomatic of a deeper underlying malaise afflicting the host, as a kaposi sarcoma lesion would be indicative of a greater illness within a person.

    can you say this in plain English please ? are you saying to be gay is to be suffering a malaise ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    I took it to mean the lesion is symptomatic of the person having AIDs.
    A person with a defective immune system can fall victim to any number of malign foreign infections, its only a matter of time before they become fatal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    marienbad wrote: »
    can you say this in plain English please ? are you saying to be gay is to be suffering a malaise ?
    Gay? No, nothing of the sort, I likened the sentiments this girl was expressing/representing, to an aids lesion, a metaphor indicative of a greater underlying illness within the body of society.

    You cannot consume wealth and take from society, yet reject the social contract entirely(even down to the level of rejecting scientific fact), those are the actions of a parasite, a disease.

    I thought it was a fitting metaphor, clearly not if I have to explain it:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    Gay? No, nothing of the sort, I likened the sentiments this girl was expressing/representing, to an aids lesion, a metaphor indicative of a greater underlying illness within the body of society.

    You cannot consume wealth and take from society, yet reject the social contract entirely(even down to the level of rejecting scientific fact), those are the actions of a parasite, a disease.

    I thought it was a fitting metaphor, clearly not if I have to explain it:)

    Yeah you are right ,it clearly wasn't the best metaphor .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,876 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I didn't use it for "no particular reason". You have a foreign element, which happily consumes, yet rejects literally every single other aspect of Sweden, society and people, even 21st century medicine.
    Its symptomatic of a deeper underlying malaise afflicting the host, as a kaposi sarcoma lesion would be indicative of a greater illness within a person.

    We're all enlightened now, so we hate muslims instead of gays.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    We're all enlightened now, so we hate muslims instead of gays.

    Not just muslims, anyone who shares that type of attitude.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,876 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    In a western country like the UK which has a sizeable and mostly well-integrated muslim population, how many do you reckon share "that type of attitude"?

    I agree that religious fundamentalism of all sorts is a bad thing, but you are (imho) doing the vast majority of muslims living in the West a grave disservice.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    In a western country like the UK which has a sizeable and mostly well-integrated muslim population, how many do you reckon share "that type of attitude"?

    I agree that religious fundamentalism of all sorts is a bad thing, but you are (imho) doing the vast majority of muslims living in the West a grave disservice.

    Impossible to say, people argue over the stats constantly on any thread related to Islam, the whole argument of what percentage of the muslims population are nutters is unwinnable.
    I'd say anyone who is very religious(christian, muslims, jewish), doesnt work, the whole lot, more than likely fits into the "that type of attitude" bracket (look at orthodox jews in Israel and their relationship to normal israelis). It just so happens that due to the demographic harakiri Western Europe is committing the majority of religious nuts who leech off their host society are foreign muslims and their offspring.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    blogger in Singapore up on charges of insulting Muslims and Christians

    Teenage blogger Amos Yee faces 8 new charges - Channel NewsAsia

    Teenage blogger Amos Yee faces 8 new charges
    Of the eight charges against him, five are for allegedly wounding the religious feelings of Muslims, and one for allegedly wounding the religious feelings of Christians.


    SINGAPORE: Teenage blogger Amos Yee, who was jailed last year for making offensive remarks against Christianity and posting obscene images online, was charged in the State Courts on Thursday (May 26).

    The 17-year-old was arrested on May 11 and released on bail of S$5,000.

    Five of the charges Yee faces are for allegedly wounding the religious feelings of Muslims, and one for allegedly wounding the religious feelings of Christians. These charges are under Section 298 of the Penal Code.

    The other two charges are for allegedly failing to show up at Jurong Police Division on two occasions, despite a notice from Assistant Superintendent of Police Doreen Chong and a magistrate’s order to do so. These charges are under Section 174 of the Penal Code.

    Deputy Public Prosecutor Kelvin Kow asked the judge to fix an early trial date, noting that Yee is "obviously escalating his offensive behaviour in a bid to gain attention", adding that Yee "has upped both the tempo and offensiveness of his posts".

    While the prosecution did not object to Yee being out on bail, DPP Kow also asked the judge to warn Yee of the potential consequences if he commits further offences while out on bail.

    To that, Yee responded: "If the prosecution insists, no problem."

    Yee was not represented by a lawyer, but said he would "do his best" to find one.

    If convicted of deliberately wounding the religious feelings of others, Yee faces up to three years’ jail and a fine. He also faces up to a month’s jail and a fine of up to S$1,500 for failing to report to the Jurong Police Division despite an order.

    The pre-trial conference has been set for next Monday, May 30, 9.30am.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,192 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Erdogan says that "no Muslim family" should consider contraception, echoing a similar call he made in 2014.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,937 ✭✭✭galljga1


    Erdogan says that "no Muslim family" should consider contraception, echoing a similar call he made in 2014.

    That article seems to consider Turkey as being European. I would consider it Asian.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    Hungary offers €22,000 to couples having 3 children and buying/building their own house. Seems like a very good policy to futureproof their economy, as its generally assumed that at least 2.1 kids per couple are needed to maintain a population. If population shrinks, deflation and recession are likely.

    However "euronews" slates this policy as "populist" "with suspect motives" and "only catering to the middle classes". Then they interview a teenage "feminist" artist who says
    People should be aware of this insulting policy, ordering us how many children we should have. Why do the politicians stick their noses into this?
    It seems migration via Turkey and Libya is now the option preferred by EU bureaucrats for maintaining Europe's population.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    LOL, feminism is pure cancer, who needs self preservation when you can hitch your wagon to male flagellation and delusion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 39,876 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Four-year-old gets into gorilla enclosure, parent thanks god:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/30/accidents-happen-mother-of-child-who-fell-into-gorilla-pit-speaks-out-5913101/

    michelle-gregg-facebook-1.jpg?w=620&h=406&crop=1

    God is 'awesome', although you'd think preventing the kid from falling in in the first place would have been a better display of awesome god powers?

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,779 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Four-year-old gets into gorilla enclosure, parent thanks god:

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/05/30/accidents-happen-mother-of-child-who-fell-into-gorilla-pit-speaks-out-5913101/

    michelle-gregg-facebook-1.jpg?w=620&h=406&crop=1

    God is 'awesome', although you'd think preventing the kid from falling in in the first place would have been a better display of awesome god powers?
    Perhaps he could have shown his awesomeness by saving the child in such a way that an endangered animal didn't have to be sacrificed. Actually, who am I kidding, he apparently can't save sh1t without a sacrificed.

    MrP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    ^^^


    :pac:

    Cjt3ufOVAAI8usD.jpg:large

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 691 ✭✭✭legocrazy505


    She seems more thankful to God than she is thankful to the trained zoo keepers who work tirelessly to keep these endangered animals away from people with lower than average brain cells. I mourn for the gorilla and my condolences go out to it's family. It's a shame another kid who's going to be indoctrinated by someone that thick will live on in society.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    Here's a homeopath's take on physics and reality in general.

    Warning - not fully accurate in all respects.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,473 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch




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