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Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

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  • #4352
    32_4_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭32_4_1


    Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »
    I think you give them too much credit!
    They aren't invincible and have their own families to worry about.
    They are brave when it comes to small time gangsters, not so sure about wide reaching cartels though.

    Are we talking about the same IRA? They'd curbstomp any Irish cartel, no matter how big. Your living in lala land if you think any different. They'd outgun any drugdealers, and would keep coming. Different ballpark completely. Sheer numbers alone. Plus far greater intel. To wipe them out, you'd have to head to Belfast. How are some dodgy looking southerns going to fair in hardened Republican areas chasing ghosts? Cartels are family led and if the pIRA know who they are hitting you'll be done eventually. A former corrupt superpower, with all their intelligence and firepower , couldn't wipe them out or weed their members out. Remember internment? Your letting recent dissident activity cloud your judgement. This is off topic, so I'll leave it there. Just thought the correlation of drug dealers before and after the gfa is interesting


  • #4353
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    32_4_1 wrote: »
    Are we talking about the same IRA? They'd curbstomp any Irish cartel, no matter how big. Your living in lala land if you think any different. They'd outgun any drugdealers, and would keep coming. Different ballpark completely. Sheer numbers alone. Plus far greater intel. To wipe them out, you'd have to head to Belfast. How are some dodgy looking southerns going to fair in hardened Republican areas chasing ghosts? Cartels are family led and if the pIRA know who they are hitting you'll be done eventually. A former corrupt superpower, with all their intelligence and firepower , couldn't wipe them out or weed their members out. Remember internment? Your letting recent dissident activity cloud your judgement. This is off topic, so I'll leave it there. Just thought the correlation of drug dealers before and after the gfa is interesting
    You are still living in the 70s lad!
    You forget they don't care about drug dealers that pay money.

    That makes them worse than the dealers in my eyes!

    Up the ra and and all that ****e!


  • #4354
    coniosumadre
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 256 ✭✭coniosumadre


    32_4_1 wrote: »
    Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »
    I think you give them too much credit!
    They aren't invincible and have their own families to worry about.
    They are brave when it comes to small time gangsters, not so sure about wide reaching cartels though.

    Are we talking about the same IRA? They'd curbstomp any Irish cartel, no matter how big. Your living in lala land if you think any different. They'd outgun any drugdealers, and would keep coming. Different ballpark completely. Sheer numbers alone. Plus far greater intel. To wipe them out, you'd have to head to Belfast. How are some dodgy looking southerns going to fair in hardened Republican areas chasing ghosts? Cartels are family led and if the pIRA know who they are hitting you'll be done eventually. A former corrupt superpower, with all their intelligence and firepower , couldn't wipe them out or weed their members out. Remember internment? Your letting recent dissident activity cloud your judgement. This is off topic, so I'll leave it there. Just thought the correlation of drug dealers before and after the gfa is interesting
    What's next? A 200 page thesis on how the Kinahans would have survived in Spain during the era of Franco? or maybe we'll take it right back to the time of the Vikings.


  • #4355
    blinding
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,466 ✭✭✭blinding


    If only we had some kind of organised police force type of thingy....to keep these gangsters...under control.

    There may be some intelligent ones at the top but the lower and middle orders should drag the whole shebang down.

    Lets say You/I were in business (a legit business ) with the most of these dudes do you think that they would make a go of it.


  • #4356
    ...And Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭...And Justice


    With the amount of waffle on here and regurgitation of posts in this thread that filter out to the media, I'd say the Gardaí have asked for a list of active IP addresses on here..





    Or maybe not :pac:...............


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  • #4357
    32_4_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭32_4_1


    Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »
    You are still living in the 70s lad!
    You forget they don't care about drug dealers that pay money.

    That makes them worse than the dealers in my eyes!

    Up the ra and and all that ****e!

    It's nothing to do with "up the RA". The change in the mentality of drug dealers is just interesting since the gfa. And I'm not living in the 70's, if they were about now it would be the same story. As an aside, how you think any Irish cartel could challenge the provos is staggering. Whether they are morally upstanding is irrelevant to the point. A lot to be said for the vacuum the IRA left in relation to what's happening today, whether you like it or not


  • #4358
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭h2005


    32_4_1 wrote: »
    It's nothing to do with "up the RA". The change in the mentality of drug dealers is just interesting since the gfa. And I'm not living in the 70's, if they were about now it would be the same story. As an aside, how you think any Irish cartel could challenge the provos is staggering. Whether they are morally upstanding is irrelevant to the point. A lot to be said for the vacuum the IRA left

    What was the final murder count for the RA? I'd say this lot have a bit of catching up left to do


  • #4359
    32_4_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭32_4_1


    ...And Justice wrote: »
    The original PIRA would of wiped these stupid dicks out in a flash, now in their late 60's and 70's, these guys were the most feared by the CIA at one stage because nobody knew who they were?, these new saps are in their 20's and full of it, taking the name of the RA doesn't mean you are the RA.

    To associate them with the war in the north is ridiculous

    In not talking about dissidents. Im talking about the actual pIRA if they continued, with new recruits etc. It's hypothetical I know, but my original question is, would all this be happening if they were still around and never decommissioned?


  • #4360
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    IRA have more informers than every criminal gang added up they cant take a piss without getting caught whens the last time they done anything? times have changed they are nigh on irrelevant now,I remember proper republicans real anti drug people keeping the area clean when I grew up in town,now you'd probably find them selling the stuff.


  • #4361
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    Out of curiosity, was Alan Ryans murder ever avenged?


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  • #4362
    ...And Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭...And Justice


    32_4_1 wrote: »
    In not talking about dissidents. Im talking about the actual pIRA if they continued, with new recruits etc. It's hypothetical I know, but my original question is, would all this be happening if they were still around and never decommissioned?

    If the original IRA were around, this rubbish would't have got off the ground, the PIRA were Guerrilla warfare experts, you're now dealing with kids, kids in their 20's calling themselves the RA.


  • #4363
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Allyall wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, was Alan Byrnes murder ever avenged?


    Alan Ryan I presume your refering to,threats were made same with his brothers murder and friends murdered nothing done in reply bar the shooting of old criminal boss eamon kelly.


  • #4364
    Simon2015
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    Why is Gerry Hutch even called The Monk when hes a heavy drinker ?



    http://www.herald.ie/news/hutchs-drunken-bender-in-city-34747363.html
    Hutch's drunken bender in city

    Terrified pub owner asks gang kingpin to leave over fears of Kinahan gun attack

    Ken Foy – 26 May 2016 02:30 AM
    Ireland's number one gangland target Gerry Hutch was drunk as a 'Monk' when he went on a bizarre solo pub bender last week.

    The Herald has learnt that Hutch stumbled into a respected north inner city pub where he was refused service by staff who were terrified he might draw hitmen to the premises.


  • #4365
    32_4_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭32_4_1


    Gamebred wrote: »
    IRA have more informers than every criminal gang added up they cant take a piss without getting caught whens the last time they done anything? times have changed they are nigh on irrelevant now,I remember proper republicans real anti drug people keeping the area clean when I grew up in town,now you'd probably find them selling the stuff.

    The IRA aren't around anymore. Im not talking about dissidents. I just posed the question, if the actual pIRA were still around, would this be happening? Or would these drugdealers have crossed them and been wiped out by this stage? People gave out about the pira, but at the same time are outraged by those now dealing without fear in their absence. Would people hypotherically take them back to keep the streets clean of drugdealers?


  • #4366
    Simon2015
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Simon2015


    32_4_1 wrote: »
    The IRA aren't around anymore. Im not talking about dissidents. I just posed the question, if the actual pIRA were still around, would this be happening? Or would these drugdealers have crossed them and been wiped out by this stage? People gave out about the pira, but at the same time are outraged by those now dealing without fear in their absence. Would people hypotherically take them back to keep the streets clean of drugdealers?

    The IRA were involved in drugs since the 1970s they needed that money to fund their operations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29


  • #4367
    Allyall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,381 ✭✭✭✭Allyall


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Alan Ryan I presume your refering to,threats were made same with his brothers murder and friends murdered nothing done in reply bar the shooting of old criminal boss eamon kelly.

    Yep, meant Alan Ryan. :)


  • #4368
    ...And Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭...And Justice


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    The IRA were involved in drugs since the 1970s they needed that money to fund their operations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29

    So were the UVF, UDA and the UFF, rampent up the north now, the UVF income is from drugs, look it up online, I'm not bothered posting links, Johhny Adare shot his own son in the leg, it's on youtube.


  • #4369
    32_4_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭32_4_1


    Simon2015 wrote: »
    The IRA were involved in drugs since the 1970s they needed that money to fund their operations.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29

    Well better the devil you know.... he'd be an exception I would have thought, if not, would they be preferential to keeping the place clean from all these new guys?


  • #4370
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    The greed would've got the better of them no doubt and profitted from drugs eventually when leadership got into certain hands would be my guess,which as somebody says makes them worse than drug dealers by taxing the said dealers and hiding behind a supposed anti drug organisation all to line their own pockets,

    Anyways its gone way off topic.


  • #4371
    32_4_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭32_4_1


    ...And Justice wrote: »
    If the original IRA were around, this rubbish would't have got off the ground.

    Sorry missed this. Ye, kind of what I was trying to get at.


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  • #4372
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Alan Ryan I presume your refering to,threats were made same with his brothers murder and friends murdered nothing done in reply bar the shooting of old criminal boss eamon kelly.

    Wouldn't be so confident of that.


  • #4373
    DamienDarts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 173 ✭✭DamienDarts


    32_4_1 wrote: »
    Doubt Kinahan and Mr. Big would pay up tbh

    Can I ask , why is it ok to name Kinihan and not "Mr Big"?
    Genuine question.


  • #4374
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    DamienDarts wrote: »
    Can I ask , why is it ok to name Kinihan and not "Mr Big"?
    Genuine question.

    It's not published or documented anywhere. Any name would then be speculation.


  • #4375
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    DamienDarts wrote: »
    Can I ask , why is it ok to name Kinihan and not "Mr Big"?
    Genuine question.


    One has convictions,the other doesnt....yet.


  • #4376
    ectoraige
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,105 ✭✭✭ectoraige


    anthonyos wrote: »
    Who is mr big can someone pm me ..

    I think he's from Coolock, his mot is a journo, writes under the name Carrie Bradshaw, her real name is Sarah or Jessica Parker. Think she's from around Smithfield, they met at the horse market there.


  • #4377
    scopper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 870 ✭✭✭scopper


    Guys, for those of us interested in the fued as it is can we curtail IRA talk? The fact is they are not involved. Only some dissidents links. Let's keep to the real story.


  • #4378
    myshirt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    Part of the story which is being overlooked here is the impact that Gardai policing of installation of water meters has had on trust and respect between communities and Gardai.

    Trust and respect has been absolutely been OBLITERATED. Do not underestimate the impact of this. A serious, serious strategic mistake.


  • #4379
    ...And Justice
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,283 ✭✭✭...And Justice


    scopper wrote: »
    Guys, for those of us interested in the fued as it is can we curtail IRA talk? The fact is they are not involved. Only some dissidents links. Let's keep to the real story.

    Dissadents are not the IRA, end of.


  • #4380
    32_4_1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 108 ✭✭32_4_1


    ...And Justice wrote: »
    Dissadents are not the IRA, end of.

    I concur.


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  • #4381
    mada82
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭mada82


    Take the Provo chat to another thread guys.


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