Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

whelan2 · 26-05-2016 06:57PM

Jaysus Christ wrote: »

Is it in the IFJ that the June milk check for the "average" dairy farmer will be down €7000 on 2013??

Just goes to show the money they were making.

I was down 8k in my April cheque this year on last year

Milked out · 26-05-2016 07:01PM

Jaysus Christ wrote: »

Is it in the IFJ that the June milk check for the "average" dairy farmer will be down 7000 on 2013??

Just goes to show the money they were making.

Your confusing sales with profit there lad.

Milked out · 26-05-2016 07:01PM

Jaysus Christ wrote: »

Is it in the IFJ that the June milk check for the "average" dairy farmer will be down 7000 on 2013??

Just goes to show the money they were making.

Your confusing sales with profit there lad.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 26-05-2016 07:06PM

Milked out wrote: »

Your confusing sales with profit there lad.

Sure post it again, I don't think it's registering yet:p

pedigree 6 · 26-05-2016 07:13PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

I'm not so sure it might be as rosey as some might think for the survivors. There was a time when the price of milk would bring down a government. Dairy farmers are increasingly becoming politically and socially isolated. Just some of the animosity towards us on here alone is a good example.

Don't want to plagiarise a phrase. But there is strength in numbers. In real terms we are now getting only about a third of what we got for milk 27years ago. Increasingly this is looking very much like a race to the bottom. Hope I'm wrong but increasingly people seem to be taking pleasure out of seeing their neighbours go out of business.

The farmer milking 100 cows wants to see the farmer milking 50 cows go out of business.

The farmer milking 200 cows wants to see the farmer milking 100 cows go out of business.

The farmer milking 400 cows wants to see the farmer milking 200 cows go out of business.

The farmer milking 800 cows wants to see the farmer milking 400 cows go out of business.

The company milking 1600 cows wants to see the farmer milking 800 cows go out of business.

The drystock and tillage farmers wants to see them all out of business and the processors don't give a dam who goes out of business.

Fight on lads.:D

Farmer Ed · 26-05-2016 07:17PM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

The farmer milking 100 cows wants to see the farmer milking 50 cows go out of business.

The farmer milking 200 cows wants to see the farmer milking 100 cows go out of business.

The farmer milking 400 cows wants to see the farmer milking 200 cows go out of business.

The farmer milking 800 cows wants to see the farmer milking 400 cows go out of business.

The company milking 1600 cows wants to see the farmer milking 800 cows go out of business.

The drystock and tillage farmers wants to see them all out of business and the processors don't give a dam who goes out of business.

Fight on lads.:D

Meanwhile we all just try and run faster to try and stand still.

pedigree 6 · 26-05-2016 07:36PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Meanwhile we all just try and run faster to try and stand still.

Seems to be.
There's no contenting some people.
There's always a bigger cat ready to pounce on you no matter how big you think you are.

Jaysus Christ · 26-05-2016 07:46PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Is it that you can't read or can't count. That poll as it stands reads as flat. 15% for increase, 20% reduce or get out.

I can both read and count.

alps · 26-05-2016 08:20PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Don't want to plagiarise a phrase. But there is strength in numbers. ..... Hope I'm wrong but increasingly people seem to be taking pleasure out of seeing their neighbours go out of business.

Ed .....you are 100% bang on....

Farmer respect and farmer lobbying strength depends on numbers....what those here clapping with glee don't seem to realise that to consume these failed farmers will take debt...increase the debt and you can't get back out..When you can't get back out you bloody well need some other guy to be less efficient than you, because when he's gone....you're next...

It's like 3 friend in a field with a bull....One guy is slow, so the other 2 are smug...The bull gets the first and then the other 2 find that there is no way out of the field...The bull will get the next and and the next....

Hope theres pleasure in it guys..

Waffletraktor · 26-05-2016 09:04PM

I don't know about the exact costings for dairy but I guess it would be aiming for a sub 19c/l cost being you future but in tillage to make money it's getting to stage of stripping back to make money on a spend of sub750£/ha is the new-old norm in milling wheat. Bg alone has a charge of 200+ on some farms for herbs and losses and in reality their still going to go out of business if they stay at that. Great when prices rise you can let off the belt for a breather, unless some one owes you lot a living to stay over producing a product mix no one wants.

Dawg posted a time back of a open day and a farmer dancing about demanding the market change to suit him and folk sneered, yet a few months later that particular f##k gun is being pointed at you by Europe and how many furious farmers turned up to Dg agm, will go to ifa etc meetings to discuss a plan of action when the serious moves for quota come in when half the lot there will be sitting smugly fancying themselves to pick up cheap cows soon and the other half pulling their hair out of self inflicted stress.
And anyone blaming Teagasc/simple Simon et/al fudge off, your just like a property developer in the twilight of the boom wondering why the good times didn't go on for ever.

welton john · 26-05-2016 10:13PM

Is it any wonder the ifa/other farmer groups seem to fail miseribly theres no cohesion between dairy farmers.Not so long ago lads here clapping one another on the back ,quoatas going we'll expand well all get rich together. fast forward a year the same lad patting you on the back wants to push you off a cliff.
Its a pity if lads see it as a last man standing situation, if so dont rule out the fool down the road from you with his 30 cows,bare upgrade from a bucket plant and rusty 165.

pedigree 6 · 26-05-2016 10:47PM

Since Dawggone and others are reeling in the years here.
Just to look back at a few years ago.
Here's another reeling in the years.

Water John · 26-05-2016 10:57PM

Fecking brilliant Pedigree. I'm sure we could have a gallery of clips. A bit of a competition to find the most embarrassing claims.
Of course an added category could be the size of salary of the claimants for their expertise.

BTW as you are looking at the AIB /IFA link up, you might find the research carried out by both two years ago. It showed expansion plans in milk by Irish farmers to be limited.
That report got buried without trace.

pedigree 6 · 26-05-2016 11:08PM

One more and i'll leave it at that.
I've no real opinion either way but just for the history books.
Whatever the next few years holds.:rolleyes:

Farmer Ed · 27-05-2016 05:42AM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Since Dawggone and others are reeling in the years here.
Just to look back at a few years ago.
Here's another reeling in the years.

Does anyone actually know what exactly qualifies her to be an expert in the first place?

Farmer Ed · 27-05-2016 05:48AM

pedigree 6 wrote: »

One more and i'll leave it at that.
I've no real opinion either way but just for the history books.
Whatever the next few years holds.:rolleyes:

Notice she keeps saying the sector. The farmer is just a minion within the sector.

rangler1 · 27-05-2016 06:19AM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Does anyone actually know what exactly qualifies her to be an expert in the first place?

If you're looking for some one to blame, look in the mirror.
She said farmers were in a good position to expand, definitely was right there.
Affluent society is growing round the world...., right again.
If you can't take responsibility for business decisions,!!!!!!!!!!
The buzz words from the Dairy Commitee while I was on National exec in IFA were ''SUSTAINABLE EXPANSION''....obviously no one else wanted to listen to that......just like the developers 10 years ago.
I issued a few warnings on here myself too about post quota....sure what would I, an IFA officer know. You insist on running down everyone that's better off than you and discrediting their work....a bit sad really

leg wax · 27-05-2016 06:33AM

alps wrote: »

Ed .....you are 100% bang on....

Farmer respect and farmer lobbying strength depends on numbers....what those here clapping with glee don't seem to realise that to consume these failed farmers will take debt...increase the debt and you can't get back out..When you can't get back out you bloody well need some other guy to be less efficient than you, because when he's gone....you're next...

It's like 3 friend in a field with a bull....One guy is slow, so the other 2 are smug...The bull gets the first and then the other 2 find that there is no way out of the field...The bull will get the next and and the next....

Hope theres pleasure in it guys..

i dont want to see farmer go broke but if they have made bad business moves then its their own fault, no diff then the shop that opens all over the country in towns and cities that we can all see, except the owner why did they open there wrong place be it no parking or not enough foot fall passing the door as all shops have moved to the trendy site, as for the 3 lads in the field experience would have told them dont get into the field because their is no safe escape route , but the stupid would go in ,the bulls always been quite ,never looked at anyone, then we have a funeral.

Waffletraktor · 27-05-2016 06:41AM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Does anyone actually know what exactly qualifies her to be an expert in the first place?

I don't agree too often with you but when she trotted out the line of growing of growing populations :rolleyes:, maybe she should highlight the growing affluent classes and a need for value added not dried and bottom feeding.:)

rangler1 · 27-05-2016 06:48AM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

I don't agree too often with you but when she trotted out the line of growing of growing populations :rolleyes:, maybe she should highlight the growing affluent classes and a need for value added not dried and bottom feeding.:)

It's a bit late for dairy farmers like Mr Ed to be doubting her opinion now, it's up to everyone to do their own research and make their own decisions

whelan2 · 27-05-2016 06:50AM

rangler1 wrote: »

If you're looking for some one to blame, look in the mirror.
She said farmers were in a good position to expand, definitely was right there.
Affluent society is growing round the world...., right again.
If you can't take responsibility for business decisions,!!!!!!!!!!
The buzz words from the Dairy Commitee while I was on National exec in IFA were ''SUSTAINABLE EXPANSION''....obviously no one else wanted to listen to that......just like the developers 10 years ago.
I issued a few warnings on here myself too about post quota....sure what would I, an IFA officer know. You insist on running down everyone that's better off than you and discrediting their work....a bit sad really

Look everyone made their own decisions, based on what I dont care, nor do I care if peter up the road cant pay his meal bill this month or afford to go to costa del sol. They made their decisions and have to deal with them .I will look after my own empire and let them work away. Hate this crap of lads coming into the yard with stories about lads around here, its none of their business.

Farmer Ed · 27-05-2016 07:33AM

rangler1 wrote: »

If you're looking for some one to blame, look in the mirror.
She said farmers were in a good position to expand, definitely was right there.
Affluent society is growing round the world...., right again.
If you can't take responsibility for business decisions,!!!!!!!!!!
The buzz words from the Dairy Commitee while I was on National exec in IFA were ''SUSTAINABLE EXPANSION''....obviously no one else wanted to listen to that......just like the developers 10 years ago.
I issued a few warnings on here myself too about post quota....sure what would I, an IFA officer know. You insist on running down everyone that's better off than you and discrediting their work....a bit sad really

Rangler why do you constantly jump to conclusions? I simply asked what her qualifications are? Whether she is financially better of than me or not is up to speculation and something that you have brought in to this discussion, not me. But as you brought it up? Any idea what she is being paid? I certainly don't think she has a bright future as a fortune teller

kevthegaff · 27-05-2016 07:57AM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

I don't know about the exact costings for dairy but I guess it would be aiming for a sub 19c/l cost being you future but in tillage to make money it's getting to stage of stripping back to make money on a spend of sub750£/ha is the new-old norm in milling wheat. Bg alone has a charge of 200+ on some farms for herbs and losses and in reality their still going to go out of business if they stay at that. Great when prices rise you can let off the belt for a breather, unless some one owes you lot a living to stay over producing a product mix no one wants. Dawg posted a time back of a open day and a farmer dancing about demanding the market change to suit him and folk sneered, yet a few months later that particular f##k gun is being pointed at you by Europe and how many furious farmers turned up to Dg agm, will go to ifa etc meetings to discuss a plan of action when the serious moves for quota come in when half the lot there will be sitting smugly fancying themselves to pick up cheap cows soon and the other half pulling their hair out of self inflicted stress.
And anyone blaming Teagasc/simple Simon et/al fudge off, your just like a property developer in the twilight of the boom wondering why the good times didn't go on for ever.

What's Bg?

freedominacup · 27-05-2016 09:26AM

kevthegaff wrote: »

What's Bg?

Big gonads. The argument seems to ve whether it's an overabundance of them or lack of them that's causing all the problems.

Waffletraktor · 27-05-2016 09:31AM

freedominacup wrote: »

Big gonads. The argument seems to ve whether it's an overabundance of them or lack of them that's causing all the problems.

So which side are you?

kevthegaff wrote: »

What's Bg?

http://www.fwi.co.uk/arable/farmers-will-need-two-years-to-get-on-top-of-bad-blackgrass.htm

whelan2 · 27-05-2016 09:34AM

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/commissioner-hogan-completely-wrong-to-make-farmers-responsible-for-dairy-crisis/

freedominacup · 27-05-2016 09:53AM

Waffletraktor wrote: »

So which side are you?

http://www.fwi.co.uk/arable/farmers-will-need-two-years-to-get-on-top-of-bad-blackgrass.htm

Well self praise is no praise so I'll have to refer you to Mrs freedom for an unbiased opinion.

Sam Kade · 27-05-2016 09:56AM

I see in the journal where a uk dairy farmer with 4 robot milkers is trying to decide to give up or stay milking. The repayments and maintaining the robots are eating into his monthly milk cheque. Remember all the hype on here before quotas went, if you're going milking get a robot.

Sam Kade · 27-05-2016 09:57AM

whelan2 wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/commissioner-hogan-completely-wrong-to-make-farmers-responsible-for-dairy-crisis/

In fairness Hogan is clueless.

Jaysus Christ · 27-05-2016 10:00AM

It's definitely not in my interest to see well established dairy men go under(The fly by nights I couldn't care less ).

I just read the first couple of pages of this thread last night and at nearly 40c a litre there was still complaining.

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