Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" - "Book readers"

qrx wrote:

Sorry I didn't like the show. I bow to your superiority.

There's no need to be like that. People debate on this thread, they didn't get what you were trying to say, I don't either. If you didn't like it fair enough but if you didn't like it because something reasonable enough like someone doesn't like fire, well, I dunno, what would you have them not like? They were asking you to expand on your point.

intheclouds wrote: »

The dragons would wipe anything out. Anything would be insignificant in a battle against them. Thats why the Targaryens were on the throne in the first place. And why they were no longer on it - when there were no more dragons.

Any army that is put up against the dragons will be gone in seconds.

But we dont know the extent of the white walkers. We have seen as many as 13 of them at once. We have seen a couple of groups of 4 at a time. But we know Craster had 99 sons that he sacrificed. Who knows how many more babies they got their hands on and turned blue eyed? And we know they can be beaten with dragon glass and valyrian steel.

Do we know of any weaknesses of the dragons?

Kenna Mysterious Scowl wrote: »

Children of the forest creating the white walkers was pretty rushed, to be fair. However, they're not new. They appeared a season and a half ago and were very prominent in the episode where Jojen died. They were mentioned frequently enough in the show before that, nevermind the books. They didn't create the WW to save their trees, they did it to protect themselves from men. This is very literally explained in so many words in the episode.

Yes, there are zombies. There have been zombies since the cold open of episode one, and everyone's shítless of them. 'enough said' really isn't enough said. It's fine to personally not like zombies, but it doesn't make the episode awful or mean that GRRM is clutching at straws.

I think pretty much everyone got the Hodor thing pretty quickly once it started, that was the intended effect?

And yes, fire kills zombies. Swords kill Ned Starks, poison kills Joffreys, arrows kill Wildlings. That's not lazy or on the fly story telling, that's determined by how all the pieces are moved into place to create the circumstances where those things happen.

It appears the dragons main weaknesses are trebuchets and other siege weapons, stabbing and crushing. Unlike other media it doesn't appear their scales are so strong a special weapon is required. In dance one drowned but that also could have been his injuries as when Daenarys was on that boat when they were dragonlings they'd fish for themselves. They're main advantage is in aerial combat and distance on the ground they are limited and so could die (Drogon in the arena) as the dragons did in the dance of dragons. They're very existence strengthens magic in the world as they are physical manifestations of it.They are powerful but not infalliable which is part of the reason they work in the story - they can be killed with great difficulty but whoever has them has a trump card, that can wipe out whole armys alive or dead.

To reiterate there does seem to be a plan George gave them an outline incase he should die before they are done. So the journey may be different but the conclusion should be the same.

Humans have weaknesses and zombies are no diferent regardless of interpretation (usually). The main principle is that zombies are more difficult to kill because they are already dead, so a number of weaknesses of humans no longer apply. Drowning - doesn't need air but would slow them especially if muscle mass has deteriorated. Stabbing - organs no longer need to work and blood loss no longer important, head shots remain as does dragonglass as it would sever the spell or remaining impulses after death. Poison, starving and thirst all have the same results, nothing, as their organs no longer need to work. This leaves crushing and fall from a height, would work in most media but not here as they are animated by a spell so regardless of condition they keep going.

This leaves Fire, it works on many levels.
One wights are corpses, they burn, if maintained by impulses or a spell once they are dust pirmadeath.
Two the creatures animating them are ice creatures, they can pass flames as their superior cold would cancel normal flames (dragons are magical, if you can't accept that consider them as burning at a higher temperature) therefore there wights are mere animated pawns with no magic protection of their own therefore they would fall to point one hence their avoidance of it - instinctual self preservation.

duploelabs wrote: »

They wouldn't stand a chance against Ramsey and twenty good men

They might if they had the wight Legend of Gin Alley.