Season 6 Episode 5 "The Door" - "Book readers"

Nody

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Tigger

what just happened?

Falthyron

The realisation of how Hodor became Hodor, his death, the implications of Bran's powers, the effect this will have on Bran and what this means on a much grander scale is significant. Are there other moments Bran (has yet to/already has) intervened and has brought about the current situation across Westeros? Argh! So much to take in! A major spoiler for the books too if this is Martin's intention to explain Hodor's origins.

All the other stuff: origins of the Whitewalkers, Castle Black looking for allies, etc, pales in comparison to the significance and loss of Hodor. I am sure the other stuff will be very important, but that final 10 minutes...

intheclouds

I cried! I actually cried!

Then my brain tried to make sense of it. So Bran caused Hodor to be Hodor in the past, by somehow linking his consciousness with his moment of death in the future? What the hell?!

It was so well done! The army of the dead crawling 360 degrees down the tunnel!

In other great events, nice to see Sansa recognising the danger of Littlefinger. Also nice to see her making Jon a Stark outfit.

The Iron Islands. So Theon and Yara are on the run now? And Euron has his eyes on Dany? Be fun to see him try alright!

The new Red Priestess was compelling alright.

I can't WAIT till next week!

bur

I laughed a lot, then i cried. Not really cried, felt kind of sad.

The bombs were a bit much.

intheclouds

So the new alien style children of the forest made the white walkers!! Mind blown.

EagererBeaver

Great for Kristian Nairn to be the focal point at the end of the episode having spent the whole show at edge of camera. I'm intrigued by the possibilities this opens but also a bit meh at the time travel paradoxes that'll get thrown up.

As for Danza, what's her motivation for suddenly believing/pretending to believe Littlefinger about the Blackfish returning? Always felt he had a part to play but an offstage retake of Riverrun is a bit disappointing.

Loved the play Arya watched, had me pissing myself a few times.

LionelNashe

Will Jorah find a cure? I can't see the story devoting time to it. If I were him I'd start with Kyburn.

PetKing

LionelNashe wrote:

Will Jorah find a cure? I can't see the story devoting time to it. If I were him I'd start with Kyburn.

As he turned and left on the horse, it very much felt that we won't see him again this season.

Daith

Awww. That was a tough episode to watch. Raised so many questions. Is Bran the Three Eyed Crow?

Also.....Summer. My favourite wolf. Those squeals. I demand vergence!

EagererBeaver

PetKing wrote: »

As he turned and left on the horse, it very much felt that we won't see him again this season.

Got that feeling too but I don't think he's done completely.

John Mongo

That episode... Wow.

alwald

Nobody to talk about Meera?? is it normal that she killed one of the leaders of the white walkers??

Liam O

I was the only one who got B movie horror vibes off the final scenes then?

PetKing

alwald wrote:

Nobody to talk about Meera?? is it normal that she killed one of the leaders of the white walkers??

Dragon glass I assume. Don't forget Sam the slayer

intheclouds

alwald wrote: »

Nobody to talk about Meera?? is it normal that she killed one of the leaders of the white walkers??

Dragon glass spear tip? That's what I assumed.

Witcher

alwald wrote: »

Nobody to talk about Meera?? is it normal that she killed one of the leaders of the white walkers??

With what was...presumably, an obsidian tipped spear...hardly noteworthy. We knew of this method already.

Falthyron

alwald wrote: »

Nobody to talk about Meera?? is it normal that she killed one of the leaders of the white walkers??

Staff/Spear tipped with Dragon-glass.

Liam O

Falthyron wrote: »

Staff/Spear tipped with Dragon-glass.

Makes no sense as to why the Children of the Forest weren't all using it then really then tbh...

They were far too weak in general really imo.

LionelNashe

Daith wrote: »

Awww. That was a tough episode to watch. Raised so many questions. Is Bran the Three Eyed Crow?

Also.....Summer. My favourite wolf. Those squeals. I demand vergence!

Last of the summer whine.

amos13

Hodor! 😭

Daith

Winter has come. Summer is dead.

Dave0301

Liam O wrote: »

I was the only one who got B movie horror vibes off the final scenes then?

Thought it looked a bit naff myself

alwald

PetKing wrote: »

Dragon glass I assume. Don't forget Sam the slayer

The last 10 minutes were so intense that I didn't notice the dragon glass.

SB_Part2

Very emotional ending. Poor Hodor.

bnt

So young Wylis had some latent warging ability, but when he hears a voice from his future screaming "HOLD THE DOOR!", it blows his mind. Literally. :eek:

amos13

alwald wrote:

The last 10 minutes were so intense that I didn't notice the dragon glass.

This episode was by far the most compelling for me (in the absence of a major battle). Wow. Just wow. But I'm definitely thinking there's more to meera. No mention of dragonglass, so maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Maybe she's the third head of the dragon. Somehow, I hope so. What the children of the forest said to her about bran needing her sticks with me.

wyrn

I was in bits when Summer sacrificed herself and then Hordor. I'm glad I watched it on my own, in tears. Did not see any of that coming. You'd think I'd be immune by characters deaths in GoT by now, but this really hit in the feels. It was one of those episodes where I watched the credits to process what I'd just witnessed. I really thought nothing could have topped the Red Wedding or Hardhome, but this took it up several notches. I thought the episode name, The Door meant an opening, you know you open the door to reveal something. Never did it cross my mind that The Door was to keep something in. Poor Wylis / Hordor / Hold the Door

EagererBeaver

bnt wrote: »

So young Wylis had some latent warging ability, but when he hears a voice from his future screaming "HOLD THE DOOR!", it blows his mind. Literally. :eek:

Warging ability? Bran warged into him surely.

jaded_pause

That episode broke my heart, just those last few minutes. Summer and Hodor.

I enjoyed the bit between Sansa and Jon, how she made him a cloak and he was all happy with it. I'd imagine it was the first gift he'd ever gotten off one of his family members, being kicked about by her and Cat especially when he was a kid, you could tell after she'd walked off it meant a lot to him.

The new Red Woman intrigues me, I feel like she might be introduced to the dragons before the end of it though, she's too schemey for her own good.

I'm also excited to see how Arya does killing that woman. Overall, a solid 5/7 episode. V.sad though.

EagererBeaver

amos13 wrote: »

This episode was by far the most compelling for me (in the absence of a major battle). Wow. Just wow. But I'm definitely thinking there's more to meera. No mention of dragonglass, so maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Maybe she's the third head of the dragon. Somehow, I hope so. What the children of the forest said to her about bran needing her sticks with me.

Obsidian/dragonglass is frequently mentioned as being left by the Children of the Forest. It looked like an obsidian dagger they used to create the White Walker at the beginning. I think it's pretty open and shut that Meera picked up an obsidian spear and there's nothing more to it.

bradolf pittler

1st time in a long while the show had me sitting up straight in my chair when watching it.
Poor Hodor.

Sleepy

That was EPIC! The simple stable boy gets the most heroic death of the series to date in a scene that must have been planned twenty years ago. Stunning ending to a pretty strong episode.

Mrs Sleepy balled her eyes out and is threatening violence should she ever meet George RR Martin.

There's surely only one way Bran and Meera can survive the journey back south now? We're going to see Benjen in the next few weeks!

stesaurus

Dragonglass tipped spear clearly, not sure why it's even a discussion. It didn't work for the children of the forest because she stabbed his boiled leather armour. You need to find flesh or have a lot of power behind it.
Summers death noises, my God I had to go hug my dogs after that. Horrible.
Hodor so bleeding obvious now, we're all idiots!!!

Falthyron

Sleepy wrote: »

There's surely only one way Bran and Meera can survive the journey back south now? We're going to see Benjen in the next few weeks!

I think you are right. Either Benjen comes out of somewhere to save them or will it be Coldhands?

amos13

s.welstead wrote:

Dragonglass tipped spear clearly, not sure why it's even a discussion. It didn't work for the children of the forest because she stabbed his boiled leather armour. You need to find flesh or have a lot of power behind it. Summers death noises, my God I had to go hug my dogs after that. Horrible. Hodor so bleeding obvious now, we're all idiots!!!

Summer is gone. Winter is coming.

wyrn

amos13 wrote: »

Summer is gone. Winter is coming.

I thought the same in that episode. I also thought of Old Nan calling Bran "sweet summer child" and that maybe he will be the one to turn the North back into summer again. Have to say, having the origin story of the white walkers kinda annoyed me. I wish we didn't know and I really wish it wasn't because of the Children of the Forest.

Bowlardo

how have you all saw this episode already?
I thought it only aired at 2 irish time which is 9 eastern us time?

joe123

Average aul episode. The origin of the White walkers gets 60 seconds for an explanation and the origin itself is all a bit meh.

The forest children were all fairly ****e at fighting. For ones who created the white walkers, surely they knew to be decked out with dragon glass. Why is anyone even discussing the mera killing one thing? Obvious it was a dragon glass spear.

Bran and Max von sidow just chillaxing in the court yard. Surely max should have been his usual "that's enough for now" thing with bran +100....no they continue to stand around doing nothing.

Meera and Bran escaping at the speed of a snail. No they won't be hard caught.....there better be an introduction of Coldhands or something to show their escape.

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Bowlardo wrote: »

how have you all saw this episode already?
I thought it only aired at 2 irish time which is 9 eastern us time?

Was leaked online. Get it watched ASAP cause loads happens. Spoilers all over the place tomorrow I'd say.

Jijsaw

Bowlardo wrote: »

how have you all saw this episode already?
I thought it only aired at 2 irish time which is 9 eastern us time?

It was leaked early this morning. Easy enough to find online if you know where to look

amos13

joe123 wrote:

Average aul episode. The origin of the White walkers gets 60 seconds for an explanation and the origin itself is all a bit meh.

Ah here there's no pleasing some people. That was an epic episode. Poke holes in it all you want but it was entirely entertaining/ heartbreaking. But there's always people who moan....

amos13

wyrn wrote:

I thought the same in that episode. I also thought of Old Nan calling Bran "sweet summer child" and that maybe he will be the one to turn the North back into summer again. Have to say, having the origin story of the white walkers kinda annoyed me. I wish we didn't know and I really wish it wasn't because of the Children of the Forest.

Interesting! Just discussing here what else bran influenced. For example: once he knows all that goes down, towards the end, is he the one that goes back and promises the prince who will save them?

joe123

amos13 wrote: »

Ah here there's no pleasing some people. That was an epic episode. Poke holes in it all you want but it was entirely entertaining/ heartbreaking. But there's always people who moan....

Lol chill out. You liked it, I didn't.

Care to actually add to the thread or just be a complete child and get annoyed someone doesn't have the same opinion as you

LionelNashe

Just rewatching it now, and I wonder why they had to show us the young actor examining his warty cock back-stage?

Mr Freeze

Good episode, wonder if all those reveals and deaths will happen in a similar fashion in the books.

While being entertaining plot wise, the production of that final 10 mins looked like one of the Narnia films. Those children of the forest look awful....

Falthyron

LionelNashe wrote: »

Just rewatching it now, and I wonder why they had to show us the young actor examining his warty cock back-stage?

Equality. We had boobs in the last episode now we need something male for 'balance'.

joe123

What was the reason Sansa lied to Jon. At this stage wouldnt you think he'd be the number one person you would trust?

Sleepy

She knows he'd want to work with Littlefinger who she can't trust any more.

She's showing some wisdom actually, Jon is too like Ned, who died because he trusted Baelish.

joe123

Sleepy wrote: »

She knows he'd want to work with Littlefinger who she can't trust any more.

She's showing some wisdom actually, Jon is too like Ned, who died because he trusted Baelish.

Would he though? Surely a few words from Sansa saying "he can't be trusted he handed me over to Ramsay" and maybe a bit of what he actually did to her would be enough to dissuade him from joining up with littlefinger?

bajer101