Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

nice_guy80 · 26-05-2016 07:47AM

Time to split Westmeath in two

brookville · 26-05-2016 08:30AM

blackcard wrote: »

Agree with you that he saw very little ball and I think he is a great prospect and anyone can have a bad day at freetaking

However, he was taken off the frees tonight after his fourth miss. Andrew Gaffney also took the free previous to the penalty and scored a point

Alan murphy was a unbelievable free taker at minor level I was suprised he wasn't on them

Formosa · 26-05-2016 08:45AM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Time to split Westmeath in two

Westmeath & West-Westmeath

Topcat32 · 26-05-2016 09:01AM

Interesting tweet from Eddie Brennan this morning highlighting "REAL desire"

galwaylad14 · 26-05-2016 09:56AM

What a result for Westmeath. Unbelievable what that'll do for hurling in the county. Every young lad will want a hurl in his hand now after that.

Didn't Kilkenny win the minor in 2014? Where did it all go wrong? Surely most of those lads should have been there last night? Maybe it was just one of those nights where everything went wrong and in fairness that can happen to any team. But it's crazy to think that both Kilkenny minor and under 21s are out by the end of May.

On the face of it given ye're injuries/retirements, ye're big beating from Clare last time out and this years underage results it looks like worrying times for ye. But at the same time there's still every chance there'll be a Kilkenny man on the steps of the Hogan stand in September collecting yet another All Ireland so I don't think ye'll get too much sympathy from the rest of us just yet!

And anyway winning under 21s and minors is no guarantee of success as we know all too well down in Galway. More important to be able to bring through 2 or 3 guys from each year that can establish themselves as good senior players.

Topcat32 · 26-05-2016 11:42AM

galwaylad14 wrote: »

What a result for Westmeath. Unbelievable what that'll do for hurling in the county. Every young lad will want a hurl in his hand now after that.

Didn't Kilkenny win the minor in 2014? Where did it all go wrong? Surely most of those lads should have been there last night? Maybe it was just one of those nights where everything went wrong and in fairness that can happen to any team. But it's crazy to think that both Kilkenny minor and under 21s are out by the end of May.

On the face of it given ye're injuries/retirements, ye're big beating from Clare last time out and this years underage results it looks like worrying times for ye. But at the same time there's still every chance there'll be a Kilkenny man on the steps of the Hogan stand in September collecting yet another All Ireland so I don't think ye'll get too much sympathy from the rest of us just yet!

And anyway winning under 21s and minors is no guarantee of success as we know all too well down in Galway. More important to be able to bring through 2 or 3 guys from each year that can establish themselves as good senior players.

11 players who won minor medals in 2014 started last night and 1 came on as a sub which makes it hard to believe that we could lose to Westmeath in our first match. James Maher who is pretty much the only player with significant senior intercounty match experience was a big loss to the team, but for a team with that many underage intercounty and schools medals its very suprising that we didnt go close to winning Leinster. We will have to see how Westmeath go in the next round to put this into proper context.

minty81 · 26-05-2016 12:11PM

Eddie Brennan was a terrific servant to kk on the pitch but on what basis was he handpicked for this role? Ahead of say Tom Mulally who has produced phenomenal results with Mount leinster rangers, Clara and Glenmore over recent years. I don't believe Eddie has any mgt experience at club level, plus he has two rookies with him as selectors.

If we were paying Dublin or Wexford last night would two rounds of the club championship have gone ahead over the last two weeks?

I'm not buying that we're just not good enough. Our minor and colleges performances bear no relation to whats happened at u-21 over the last few years..so what exactly is happening at that level to result in such a fall off?

JimboJones99 · 26-05-2016 12:22PM

minty81 wrote: »

Eddie Brennan was a terrific servant to kk on the pitch but on what basis was he handpicked for this role? Ahead of say Tom Mulally who has produced phenomenal results with Mount leinster rangers, Clara and Glenmore over recent years. I don't believe Eddie has any mgt experience at club level, plus he has two rookies with him as selectors.

If we were paying Dublin or Wexford last night would two rounds of the club championship have gone ahead over the last two weeks?

I'm not buying that we're just not good enough. Our minor and colleges performances bear no relation to whats happened at u-21 over the last few years..so what exactly is happening at that level to result in such a fall off?

I think he was involved with Lisdowney when they won the junior a couple of years ago. That's the only managerial experience I think he has.

Bonniedog · 26-05-2016 12:29PM

One thing last night also underlines is the fairness of a straight knock out.

And I say that as a Dub whose minors have benefitted, as have Cats, from getting a second chance.

Ridiculous that a minor team could be beaten twice and still win an All Ireland! Makes a mockery of the whole thing.

nice_guy80 · 26-05-2016 12:40PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

One thing last night also underlines is the fairness of a straight knock out.

And I say that as a Dub whose minors have benefitted, as have Cats, from getting a second chance.

Ridiculous that a minor team could be beaten twice and still win an All Ireland! Makes a mockery of the whole thing.

Maybe for Kilkenny and Dublin.

But for the likes of Westmeath, the back door gives their minors a second game

PáircLife · 26-05-2016 12:42PM

minty81 wrote: »

Eddie Brennan was a terrific servant to kk on the pitch but on what basis was he handpicked for this role? Ahead of say Tom Mulally who has produced phenomenal results with Mount leinster rangers, Clara and Glenmore over recent years. I don't believe Eddie has any mgt experience at club level, plus he has two rookies with him as selectors.

Eddie is one of the greatest players of the last 10 years. That's who 20/21 year-olds look up to and respect. They've done it as players. Eddie obviously knows what it takes to succeed and, as a previous poster stated, the 21s we're going great despite the good few injuries they had.
He also had Jimmy Meagher as a trainer and he is without doubt one of the best trainers in the country, ask any player who has had him over the last 7 or so years.

So it is hard to put a finger on what happened. They had a good team out (on paper). 7/8 of them have been training with the Seniors at some stage... People I've spoken to mention complacency - I don't think a lad that young would be complacent. They realise it might be the last chance they ever get to wear a kk jersey so I don't think that's the issue!

The same happened last year in Carlow, the u21's should have been beat that night too. Are the so-called weaker counties getting stronger? JJ Delaney spoke the other day of the kk jersey not being feared anymore. I fear he's right! When Cody leaves we could have another Sir Alex/Man Utd scenario.

Bonniedog · 26-05-2016 12:52PM

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Maybe for Kilkenny and Dublin.

But for the likes of Westmeath, the back door gives their minors a second game

Would Westmeath beat Kilkenny the second day?

That's my point. Back door benefits the stronger counties in both football and hurling.

Dublin were beaten by Wexford in quarter finals of minors, beat Cats then, and play Wexford again in final. Could be beaten and still be in AI quarter final!

That makes a travesty of the whole thing, even though we stand potentially to benefit from it.

JJs Left Hand · 26-05-2016 01:15PM

PáircLife wrote: »

So it is hard to put a finger on what happened. They had a good team out (on paper). 7/8 of them have been training with the Seniors at some stage... People I've spoken to mention complacency - I don't think a lad that young would be complacent. They realise it might be the last chance they ever get to wear a kk jersey so I don't think that's the issue!

You're wondering if 19/20 year olds with a minor All Ireland in their back pocket who have young ones queuing up for them would get cocky or complacent?

minty81 · 26-05-2016 01:19PM

PáircLife wrote: »

Eddie is one of the greatest players of the last 10 years. That's who 20/21 year-olds look up to and respect. They've done it as players. Eddie obviously knows what it takes to succeed and, as a previous poster stated, the 21s we're going great despite the good few injuries they had.
He also had Jimmy Meagher as a trainer and he is without doubt one of the best trainers in the country, ask any player who has had him over the last 7 or so years.

So it is hard to put a finger on what happened. They had a good team out (on paper). 7/8 of them have been training with the Seniors at some stage... People I've spoken to mention complacency - I don't think a lad that young would be complacent. They realise it might be the last chance they ever get to wear a kk jersey so I don't think that's the issue!

The same happened last year in Carlow, the u21's should have been beat that night too. Are the so-called weaker counties getting stronger? JJ Delaney spoke the other day of the kk jersey not being feared anymore. I fear he's right! When Cody leaves we could have another Sir Alex/Man Utd scenario.

I listened to JJ the other night too. He was part of the last team who suffered a humiliating defeat in Leinster with the minors in 2000. It was the first minor loss in Leinster in 11 years. That team that lost to Offaly had JJ, Tommy, Herity, Taggy and Jackie. Something to inspire last nights players maybe!

minty81 · 26-05-2016 01:41PM

brookville wrote: »

blackcard wrote: »

Agree with you that he saw very little ball and I think he is a great prospect and anyone can have a bad day at freetaking

However, he was taken off the frees tonight after his fourth miss. Andrew Gaffney also took the free previous to the penalty and scored a point

Alan murphy was a unbelievable free taker at minor level I was suprised he wasn't on them

Good point, Murphys an excellent freetaker i'd have assumed he would be number 1 choice

minty81 · 26-05-2016 01:49PM

Back to a point i made above though, anyone know if Tom Mullally was offered the u-21 job or was Eddie first choice?

dobbs2210 · 26-05-2016 02:10PM

minty81 wrote: »

Back to a point i made above though, anyone know if Tom Mullally was offered the u-21 job or was Eddie first choice?

Don't think Tom Mullally was offered any job with Kilkenny. Sure he is coaching the Wexford minors isn't he??

minty81 · 26-05-2016 02:13PM

dobbs2210 wrote: »

minty81 wrote: »

Back to a point i made above though, anyone know if Tom Mullally was offered the u-21 job or was Eddie first choice?

Don't think Tom Mullally was offered any job with Kilkenny. Sure he is coaching the Wexford minors isn't he??

I know. But why weren't we in first to him?

dobbs2210 · 26-05-2016 02:18PM

minty81 wrote: »

I know. But why weren't we in first to him?

I agree 100%

PáircLife · 26-05-2016 02:25PM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

You're wondering if 19/20 year olds with a minor All Ireland in their back pocket who have young ones queuing up for them would get cocky or complacent?

I'm not wondering, I'm stating that there is no way they can be complacent. If you're complacent after winning 1 Minor All-Ireland you'd want to take a good look at yourself! Half the lads playing last night realise it might be the last time they'll ever wear a kk jersey. The other half know BC will hear about every touch they make in the match!!

As for Tom Mullally, he was involved with an unsuccessful minor team in 2013. Would like to see him involved again, he seems to be well respected in all parts of the county, and Carlow!!

babyjesus14 · 26-05-2016 02:49PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Wexford be the team to beat this year. Not a bad bet to win All Ireland.

After the trimming they got by Limerick last year?! Whoever wins Munster will win it, which i would imagine will be Limerick or Waterford.

Realt Dearg Sec · 26-05-2016 02:55PM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

You're wondering if 19/20 year olds with a minor All Ireland in their back pocket who have young ones queuing up for them would get cocky or complacent?

The queues might be a bit shorter as of this morning...

babyjesus14 · 26-05-2016 03:03PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Would Westmeath beat Kilkenny the second day?

That's my point. Back door benefits the stronger counties in both football and hurling.

Dublin were beaten by Wexford in quarter finals of minors, beat Cats then, and play Wexford again in final. Could be beaten and still be in AI quarter final!

That makes a travesty of the whole thing, even though we stand potentially to benefit from it.

Not sure i agree with a straight knockout, 4 or 5 months training lose one game in May and season over. But the Minor structure is a complete joke, a team can lose twice provincial quarter final and final a get a reprieve both times and go on and win an All-Ireland(Waterford '13) and another team can lose one game a provincial semi and season over.. in what parallel universe is that a fair system.

mickmackey1 · 26-05-2016 03:08PM

I'd say it's a long time since the KK thread had so many views!

babyjesus14 · 26-05-2016 03:10PM

minty81 wrote: »

Back to a point i made above though, anyone know if Tom Mullally was offered the u-21 job or was Eddie first choice?

My understanding of the situation is that Brian Cody recommended Eddie to the County Board and the job was then directly offered to him.

adrian522 · 26-05-2016 03:18PM

So Cody is to blame for this mess Kilkenny hurling finds itself in? Next he'll be starting his kids on the senior team!

PáircLife · 26-05-2016 03:27PM

adrian522 wrote: »

Next he'll be starting his kids on the senior team!

That goes without saying!!

babyjesus14 · 26-05-2016 03:30PM

mickmackey1 wrote: »

I'd say it's a long time since the KK thread had so many views!

Nobody is working today as the Lord Mayor declared a day of mourning after last nights result!:D

blackcard · 26-05-2016 03:33PM

Now that the pain of defeat has lessened a bit, can I offer congratulations to Westmeath on a deserved victory on a great day for the team, their supporters, the county and for hurling and apologies for not being gracious yesterday . And to the KK team and management, chins up. I couldn't fault anyone for effort. Such is sport. I am certain that some of the lads will win All Ireland's in the future

PáircLife · 26-05-2016 03:34PM

Picked a bad day to unveil the new statue!!!

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