"Ladies" and "Gents" on toilet doors = discrimination

HighLine · 25-05-2016 11:11PM #1

A transgender woman has won her bid to have a ferry firm remove the words "ladies" and "gents" from its toilets.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-jersey-36376857

World. Gone. Mad.

Lyaiera · 25-05-2016 11:15PM

Madness. Crazy world. I give up. Let them do what they want. I'll just sit here and go about my business while the very foundations of society collapse around me.

Minderbinder · 25-05-2016 11:18PM

He'll obviously do anything for attention.

Dempsey · 25-05-2016 11:18PM

Man/Woman symbols were fine by her because its all abour how a person identifies themselves, but Ladies & Gents were indirect discrimination? Thats a nonsence.

She was right that she shouldnt have been told to used the disabled toilets. ****ing numpties at the ferry company

Sand · 25-05-2016 11:19PM

Seems like the company has sidestepped the issue by simply replacing the words with symbols of a man, a woman and a person in a wheelchair. The world sleeps easier.

It does highlight that well intentioned laws intended to address actual discrimination have often given a platform to cranks to waste court time with frivolous issues.

_Kaiser_ · 25-05-2016 11:20PM

The blame here has to be the eejits on the tribunal for entertaining this nonsense.

Far too many precious snowflakes out there who too many others are terrified of offending leading to idiotic decisions like this.

cowboyBuilder · 25-05-2016 11:20PM

A transgender "woman" has won "her" bid to have a ferry firm remove the words "ladies" and "gents" from its toilets.

Fixed that for the BBC.

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RayM · 25-05-2016 11:21PM

I remember a restaurant in town (yeah, town) in the '90s had "The Olivia Newton John" and "The Elton John" on its toilet doors. I think it was the Chicago Pizza Pie Factory.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 25-05-2016 11:21PM

Why do we all have to be inconvenienced to accommodate 0.3% of the world's population. How self entitled do you have to be to make such a demand.

This is not funny.

the_barfly1 · 25-05-2016 11:23PM

Change the signs to "Penises" and "Vaginas". Whichever one you have, thats your jacks. Eunuchs get a choice.

kneemos · 25-05-2016 11:24PM

If she's transgender is she not a lady?

cowboyBuilder · 25-05-2016 11:25PM

kneemos wrote: »

If she's transgender is she not a lady?

Of course she's not, but we must be PC here.

The Backwards Man · 25-05-2016 11:26PM

Just put 'stand to pee' and 'sit to pee' on them, and you can pish whatever way you want.

osarusan · 25-05-2016 11:26PM

She had also said the use of words rather than symbols on toilets amounted to indirect discrimination.

I don't actually understand what this means.

Call Me Jimmy · 25-05-2016 11:27PM

Ms Bisson has since approved changes to the Condor toilets which now have symbols representing men and women, and not words. Male and female toilets are still separate."

Are words not symbols too?

I would have thought the images would be worse, what with their unrealistic expectations for men not to have penises and women not to have tits (or hair).

RayM · 25-05-2016 11:27PM

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Of course she's not, but we must be PC here.

It's not about being PC. It's about not being an arsehole. It costs you nothing to refer to people by whichever pronoun they prefer.

Lyaiera · 25-05-2016 11:27PM

Vic Tanner Davy, chair of Trans* Jersey, said while the group was "pleased" the tribunal had found in favour of a transgender person, the community preferred "the approach of education" rather than "litigation" against employers.

This lad has his head on straight. Even he thinks she was mad to do this. Just use the fecking bathroom. No-one cares. Ringing them up to ask what bathroom to use is like challenging them to **** up. If you got on the boat, and had to take a piss, take a piss. The people working on the boat don't care, the people travelling on the boat don't care. The only person who cared was her. And some people in redneck America, and some students in various universities.

Grandeeod · 25-05-2016 11:31PM

osarusan wrote: »

I don't actually understand what this means.

Likewise.

Sand · 25-05-2016 11:31PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

How is it inconveniencing anyone

Court time and taxpayer money being spent on a non-issue instead of a genuine case?

candy-gal1 · 25-05-2016 11:34PM

just another way things are going arseways lol , people wanting extra respect because of their choices/ways of life, excuse me but thats your choice if you want to change gender or whatever etc, dont be putting it on the rest of us to change how things have always been!

Maximus Alexander · 25-05-2016 11:35PM

OH MY GOD I'M SO ANGRY ABOUT THIS THING I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT!!

smash · 25-05-2016 11:35PM

I'm offended that the new signs only depict white people! Rabble rabble rabble

Lyaiera · 25-05-2016 11:36PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

OH MY GOD I'M SO ANGRY ABOUT THIS THING I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT!!

This thing that's been happening for years while no gave two ****es, but now the BBC are talking about it so I must care too.

kneemos · 25-05-2016 11:41PM

osarusan wrote: »

I don't actually understand what this means.

They don't allow for the third gender I.e.transgender.Symbols could be either.

smash · 25-05-2016 11:43PM

kneemos wrote: »

They don't allow for the third gender I.e.transgender.Symbols could be either.

I guess the easy way around it is to put some boobs and a cock on the guy in the wheelchair!

ZeitgeistGlee · 25-05-2016 11:44PM

Ms Bisson has since approved changes to the Condor toilets which now have symbols representing men and women, and not words. Male and female toilets are still separate.

She had also said the use of words rather than symbols on toilets amounted to indirect discrimination.

Legitimately pretty confused by this, can someone explain why would symbols be more appropriate? I can understand her being unhappy with being told to use the disabled toilet as against the women's restroom but I fail to see how changing Ladies and Gents from text to symbols does anything to address this.

_Kaiser_ · 25-05-2016 11:44PM

kneemos wrote: »

They don't allow for the third gender I.e.transgender.Symbols could be either.

Because there is no third gender.

You're either male or female. If you consider yourself transgender then just use the toilet for the gender you identify with.

Ohbethehokey · 25-05-2016 11:47PM

Next the man in the symbol will have to be wearing a skirt

That'll confuse the feck out of us

_Kaiser_ · 25-05-2016 11:49PM

ZeitgeistGlee wrote: »

Legitimately pretty confused by this, can someone explain why would symbols be more appropriate? I can understand her being unhappy with being told to use the disabled toilet as against the women's restroom but I fail to see how changing Ladies and Gents from text to symbols does anything to address this.

To be fair to whoever answered the phone, I'd say that they were trying to pick the most "neutral" option in an attempt to prevent offence.

It seems more like a deliberate attempt at attention seeking to me. If they consider themselves female just use the ladies toilet. Calling in advance just seems to me like they were looking to be offended no matter what was said.

osarusan · 25-05-2016 11:49PM

kneemos wrote: »

They don't allow for the third gender I.e.transgender.Symbols could be either.

I don't think that makes it any clearer.

So there used to be the word 'Ladies' on the door, but now there is the symbol for 'Ladies' (probably similar to this). What has changed exactly?

She said that "Gender is down to identity, symbols is one way of dealing with this" but what does mean - she identifies with the symbol that indicates the Ladies toilet but not the word Ladies that denotes the same thing?

Bearing in mind that according to the report, 'Male and female toilets are still separate'.

Ruu · 25-05-2016 11:49PM

A trough for everyone and be done with it.

"Ladies" and "Gents" on toilet doors = discrimination

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