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Child snatchers

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  • #62
    wokingvoter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭wokingvoter


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Who would be a social worker dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.

    Especially when the country is full of childcare experts, some of whom wouldn't know a baby from a bag of sugar, but have watched enough reality tv to consider themselves uber authorities on the subject.


  • #63
    wokingvoter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭wokingvoter


    Ohbethehokey wrote: »
    325-352 foster payment
    Stil can claim the dole foster payment is not counted in means test and increase for having a dependent child
    Child benefit


    There's other ancillary payments available too

    Don't forget the child benefit too.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/adoption_and_fostering/fostering.html


  • #64
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    I sincerely hope that these people get their grandchild back. It's absolutely ridiculous that they have looked after the child for 4 years and tusla think its acceptable to forcibly remove the child from the only people ever to look after him and place him/her with complete strangers and expect the child not to be emotionally damaged by that!

    The grandparents were never approved in the first place

    "forcibly removed" is a bit ....


  • #65
    muddypaws
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,616 ✭✭✭muddypaws


    There is a bit in the article linked that could explain more about the decision. It is about the mother being with the child over Christmas, perhaps the mother visits a lot, and the grandparents feel unable to stop her. This could be detrimental to the child. It is one of the biggest difficulties that family foster carers face, as obviously the parents are family as well, much easier for non related foster parents to have appropriate contact guidelines.


  • #66
    Sapphire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭Sapphire


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    I sincerely hope that these people get their grandchild back. It's absolutely ridiculous that they have looked after the child for 4 years and tusla think its acceptable to forcibly remove the child from the only people ever to look after him and place him/her with complete strangers and expect the child not to be emotionally damaged by that!

    Would you still say that if the grandparent's health has changed over the last 4 years and the 9 year old had to do most of the farm work before and after school, like milking cows and being up half the night with birthing animals, then expected to keep up with school work?

    Or if their declining health meant that he is doing duties for them that an adult carer should be doing? Or having to make his own dinner when he comes in from school?

    There were six criteria that this couple didn't meet. We know what four of them are from the newspaper reports:
    -they failed to demonstrate that they can seek and accept support when necessary.
    -they failed to demonstrate ability to work as part of a team with the Child and Family Agency with a commitment to operating within relevant standards, policies and guidelines of the agency.
    -grandmother's health issues are a concern.
    -their advancing age is a concern.

    They only publicly stated the very last one, but the previous three are the ones that would be more concerning to Tusla I'm sure.


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  • #67
    cowboyBuilder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    Getting like the UK , where they employ sociopathic child molesting pigs in the "child protection" service.
    Absolute scumbags, can't believe this is happening in 2016 ...


  • #68
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    There was a really interesting documentary on C4 about the Uk fostering adoption systme. They have fostering/ adoption events with all the children where the children and potential adopters can meet it was disturbing, but apparently it works.

    They gave snatches of information about the children...a judge has ordered no contact with original parents until the child is over 18 and so. Then there was older parents who's teenage children want them to adopt the 3 year old they were fostering but they felt they were too old to meet the need of a 3 year old.

    The whole issue must be so difficult.

    If fostering is such an easy way to make money how come there is a shortage of foster parents?


  • #69
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    wokingvoter wrote: »
    Don't forget the child benefit too.

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/birth_family_relationships/adoption_and_fostering/fostering.html


    still well short of €600 a week.


  • #70
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    cowboyBuilder wrote: »
    Getting like the UK , where they employ sociopathic child molesting pigs in the "child protection" service.
    Absolute scumbags, can't believe this is happening in 2016 ...

    Do you actuality believe that?


  • #71
    cowboyBuilder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    mariaalice wrote: »
    Do you actuality believe that?

    Exaggerating, but social services are no help ... the amount of scandals that they are responsible for - and it keeps coming out ..


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  • #72
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Two specific guidelines that Tusla said were not met were: “Evidence that applicants can seek and accept support when necessary,” and “Ability to work as part of a team with the Child and Family Agency with a commitment to operating within relevant standards, policies and guidelines of the agency whilst providing foster care”.
    http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...ld-401171.html

    My read of this is Granny and Grandad told the Child Agency to feck off and stop interfering, and the Child Agency put on sunglasses, Horatio Caine style, and told them they'd be sorry.


  • #73
    BarryD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭BarryD


    Well the Irish public in their 'wisdom' voted in favour of the so called Childrens Rights Referendum a couple of years back. There were plenty of warnings at the time, not to hand the state more powers than they need or can use sensibly. The voters ignored this and voted YES.

    Tusla will argue here that the Childs Rights & Best Interests require that he be removed. Problem is that they are the arbiters of what is best..


  • #74
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    Sapphire wrote: »

    There were six criteria that this couple didn't meet. We know what four of them are from the newspaper reports:
    -they failed to demonstrate that they can seek and accept support when necessary.
    -they failed to demonstrate ability to work as part of a team with the Child and Family Agency with a commitment to operating within relevant standards, policies and guidelines of the agency.
    -grandmother's health issues are a concern.
    -their advancing age is a concern.

    Ive worked in the corporate political correct world for long enough to understand these criteria are how you tell someone you are pi$$ed off with them. Allow me translate:

    "-they failed to demonstrate that they can seek and accept support when necessary." means "will not be told what to do. "

    "-they failed to demonstrate ability to work as part of a team with the Child and Family Agency with a commitment to operating within relevant standards, policies and guidelines of the agency." means "Was told what to do again and they refused. We need to up the ante"
    "-grandmother's health issues are a concern." means "We upped the ante. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Granny".
    "-their advancing age is a concern." means "We upped the ante again. You'll regret making enemies of us".


  • #75
    Ohbethehokey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Ohbethehokey


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    still well short of €600 a week.

    No it's not ad it up again

    325/352+200 dole =525/552


    + RATE for dependent Child
    +CHILD benefit


    Not well short of 600 as you say


  • #76
    daheff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,151 ✭✭✭daheff


    40 year age gap is the limit eh? so what about all these older moms & dads that are now in their 40s. Theres a 40+ age gap between a newborn and a 41 year old mother. Are Tulsa visiting them and taking their kids away?? Dont think they are. I'd guess that theres going to be a court case on this and Tulsa are going to lose horribly.

    This smacks to me of somebody within Tulsa wanting to be a bit spiteful.


  • #77
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    syklops wrote: »
    Ive worked in the corporate political correct world for long enough to understand these criteria are how you tell someone you are pi$$ed off with them. Allow me translate:

    "-they failed to demonstrate that they can seek and accept support when necessary." means "will not be told what to do. "

    "-they failed to demonstrate ability to work as part of a team with the Child and Family Agency with a commitment to operating within relevant standards, policies and guidelines of the agency." means "Was told what to do again and they refused. We need to up the ante"
    "-grandmother's health issues are a concern." means "We upped the ante. Put that in your pipe and smoke it Granny".
    "-their advancing age is a concern." means "We upped the ante again. You'll regret making enemies of us".

    So individual social worker are vindictive individual who got in to social work to have power over people?


  • #78
    wokingvoter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭wokingvoter


    Ohbethehokey wrote: »
    No it's not ad it up again

    325/352+200 dole =525/552


    + RATE for dependent Child
    +CHILD benefit


    Not well short of 600 as you say

    Actually in the case of these pensioners it's 499 (pension + 1 child dependent) +325 foster allowance + child benefit 140 per month


  • #79
    Ohbethehokey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Ohbethehokey


    wokingvoter wrote: »
    Actually in the case of these pensioners it's 499 (pension + 1 child dependent) +325 foster allowance + child benefit 140 per month

    Nope, the pensioners aren't receiving the fostering allowance as far as I know, as the are not approved; that's reserved for the social workers mates ;)


  • #80
    cowboyBuilder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    mariaalice wrote: »
    So individual social worker are vindictive individual who got in to social work to have power over people?

    Absolutely, you think people who want to get into that work do it because they are concerned for kids ??? really ??

    power hungry little Hitlers they are..


  • #81
    syklops
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,966 ✭✭✭✭syklops


    mariaalice wrote: »
    So individual social worker are vindictive individual who got in to social work to have power over people?

    My aunt was a social worker in Manchester and she was one of the wisest and most loving people I ever met, so no, I am not stating that every single social worker is vindictive. In fact, I actually think this was more trial by committee rather than individual. Either way, from the facts as they have been presented either there is something that is not being reported, or common sense took some time off.


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  • #82
    Winterlong
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭Winterlong


    Taking a kid from a loving home and putting them in a care home is just wrong IMO.
    But yet there are kids still with heroine addict parents and sleeping in blow up mattresses in homeless hostels for adults. The world is fcked up.


  • #83
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Ohbethehokey wrote: »
    No it's not ad it up again

    325/352+200 dole =525/552


    + RATE for dependent Child
    +CHILD benefit


    Not well short of 600 as you say


    what does the dole money have to do with the child?


  • #84
    Ohbethehokey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Ohbethehokey


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    what does the dole money have to do with the child?

    Tusla recommend the foster parent stays at home with the child.


  • #85
    wokingvoter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭wokingvoter


    Ohbethehokey wrote: »
    Nope, the pensioners aren't receiving the fostering allowance as far as I know, as the are not approved; that's reserved for the social workers mates ;)

    How do you know they're not getting it ?


  • #86
    BarryD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭BarryD


    daheff wrote: »
    I'd guess that theres going to be a court case on this and Tulsa are going to lose horribly.

    I wouldn't be so sure - I think you'll find the law and constitution are on their side.

    But this was always going to be the case when you try to reconcile two sets of interests - the child's and the family.

    The purpose of the Children's Rights Referendum was to shift more consideration towards the child's interests, away from the family. The arbiters of this are Tusla in the first place and maybe the courts thereafter.

    We get what we vote for.


  • #87
    Benevolent Misanthrope
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 284 ✭✭Benevolent Misanthrope


    People commenting on this are doing so without knowing anything about the health of the grandparents. TUSLA know everything about the situation. I am assuming that they do not go ripping kids from their family for no reason.

    /thread


  • #88
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,365 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Ohbethehokey wrote: »
    Tusla recommend the foster parent stays at home with the child.


    BOTH foster parents?


  • #89
    Ohbethehokey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Ohbethehokey


    wokingvoter wrote: »
    How do you know they're not getting it ?

    The grandparents also wanted to make it clear that they are not seeking any carers’ payment from the state and have paid out all their own fees in the courts.



    From the journal article, can't link, New user


    They also said it on Clare Byrne? Last night


  • #90
    Ohbethehokey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 190 ✭✭Ohbethehokey


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    BOTH foster parents?

    Single people can foster, unless they're all millionaires, where do you think they get money to live?


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  • #91
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Benevolent Misanthrope wrote: »
    People commenting on this are doing so without knowing anything about the health of the grandparents. TUSLA know everything about the situation. I am assuming that they do not go ripping kids from their family for no reason.

    /thread

    Doctors and the school say the child is happy and being well looked after

    but what would they know


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