Missing man at the Cliffs of Moher.

Atlantic Dawn · 22-05-2016 02:15AM

_Whimsical_ wrote: »

Really it should never been reported in the media that it was a public figure regardless of who it was. The whole intent was to tantalise rather than inform. This thread is a perfect example of what those who reported it in such a fashion hoped to inspire.

It is probably to the credit of a lot of people in the local area and in this man's home that we don't all weren't aware via Twitter etc much earlier. Thank God people still have a bit of decency.

I don't know who it is and I'll be honest and say I was curious but having thought about it I'm ashamed of that. RIP whoever he is.

But I think where it's known that there's a strong possibility that the missing person may be considering suicide the authorities have a responsibility whether the family want it or not to inform the public that Mr/Mrs X is missing and they seek the publics help in reporting sightings of him/her to them. Someone could leave a suicide note at their home, drive to the Cliffs Of Moher and spend 2 or 3 days wandering around before actually doing the deed, in this time if people knew that person was missing they could have reported him/her to authorities and he/she be saved.

newacc2015 · 22-05-2016 02:15AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

The only suicide I've ever been connected to was a farmer with his shotgun. The Coroner recorded it as 'death by shotgun wound'. AFAIK it then wasn't classified as a suicide in the statistical records, which is important because suicide prevention services are unfunded but even more so when the stats don't show the actual reality of the numbers.

Generally the reason why they do this is due to life assurance. Life assurance generally wont pay out for a suicide, but they will for everything else. So the Coroner lists them as 'accidents' etc.

IMO suicide prevention services are not underfunded. They are extremely badly managed. Instead of devoting proper funds to the HSE for mental health services. There is far too much money going to charities where there are far too many doing the exact same job with stretched resources. It doesnt make sense have dozens of suicide prevention services doing the same job at poorer quality than a handful of decent large ones. There is one main charity for AIDS/HIV in Ireland, one major charity for LGBT issues in Ireland, but there is dozens of suicide prevention charities who are wasting money on admin, marketing instead of spending it on decent services.

s8n · 22-05-2016 12:52PM

Can someone PM me who it is please

22-05-2016 12:53PM

s8n wrote: »

Can someone PM me who it is please

Me too.

sammyjo90 · 22-05-2016 12:58PM

No.

Penny Tration · 22-05-2016 01:01PM

s8n wrote: »

Can someone PM me who it is please

Jesus Christ, are you seriously that morbidly nosey? You don't need to knows ffs.

Skylinehead · 22-05-2016 01:21PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

MOD
Stop speculating. There is nothing about this missing persons case being a suicide.
Suicide is an important topic but linking it to this missing persons case is not the place.

I don't want to see any more PM requests for speculation either.

....to point it out again.

Samaris · 22-05-2016 02:41PM

Uhm, has this thread run it's course? It's a bit of a sickener in terms of noseyness about who it is, speculation on exactly how you'd die jumping off the Cliffs of Moher (jeez) and "outing" suicides.

Surely any of those topics bar the first one could have a thread not connected to this specific tragedy?

BunkMoreland · 22-05-2016 02:54PM

So who was it, Waldo?

2RockMountain · 22-05-2016 09:14PM

newacc2015 wrote: »

Generally the reason why they do this is due to life assurance. Life assurance generally wont pay out for a suicide, but they will for everything else. So the Coroner lists them as 'accidents' etc.

It's not that simple. I know of one case from about 10 years ago where they definitely did pay out after a case of suicide. Like any insurance policy, if there was material facts not disclosed at the time of taking out a policy, that can be a problem - and if there is a history of mental illness, they can sometimes exclude suicide cover for number of years after such episodes, but there is no general bar on insurance payments for suicide.

And Coroners really just stick to the facts - they're not interested in playing games with insurers or whoever.

arayess · 22-05-2016 09:34PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

Jesus Christ, are you seriously that morbidly nosey? You don't need to knows ffs.

dunno about them but I am .
unashamedly so

I'm curious about everything ( I mean everything) so stop trying to slag off people who are curious because you aren't.

Are you on some moral pedestal ?

Feets · 22-05-2016 09:41PM

I see <mod snip>name removed</mod snip> death was announced.

clairewithani · 22-05-2016 09:44PM

arayess wrote: »

dunno about them but I am .
unashamedly so

I'm curious about everything ( I mean everything) so stop trying to slag off people who are curious because you aren't.

Are you on some moral pedestal ?

Sorry I agree. It's really a sign of immaturity. Instant gratification. You find out and you go Oh! And move on to the next thing. No understanding of the anguish this person went through to make this decision, or the anguish of the family and friends left behind. You just want to satisfy your own curiosity.

PeterTheEighth · 22-05-2016 09:50PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well now that the person's name has been mentioned here, is all yer nosiness satisfied now?

Jesus, dont fall off your high horse will you. It's not necessarily the best of human nature, but people are just curious creatures and when a story is put in the paper about "well known dublin legal celebrity/pundit". If they wanted to keep it secret then there shouldnt have been any tantalising / sensationalist reporting of the story.

Just because people want to know who the person is doesnt mean that they dont understand mental health problems, or that they wished anything bad against this person, or that they were judging him in any way.

freshpopcorn · 22-05-2016 09:53PM

2RockMountain wrote: »

And Coroners really just stick to the facts - they're not interested in playing games with insurers or whoever.

I've often heard of cases where suicides have been recorded as death by by is adventure. Unless there's a suicide not recovered it can often be very hard to prove.
I even started a tread a few weeks ago and somebody said that the coroner asked them how they wanted the death cert worded for there son and gave them a few options and it made them wonder about how suicides are recorded!

Penny Tration · 22-05-2016 10:05PM

arayess wrote: »

dunno about them but I am .
unashamedly so

I'm curious about everything ( I mean everything) so stop trying to slag off people who are curious because you aren't.

Are you on some moral pedestal ?

I'm not slagging anyone, I'm surprised people have the cheek to ask who the person is, when there's no need to know, his/her family could be reading the thread, and they don't even bother to throw in a token "RIP."

It's nothing to do with a moral pedestal, it's about not being a nosey bollocks.

newacc2015 · 22-05-2016 10:09PM

2RockMountain wrote: »

It's not that simple. I know of one case from about 10 years ago where they definitely did pay out after a case of suicide. Like any insurance policy, if there was material facts not disclosed at the time of taking out a policy, that can be a problem - and if there is a history of mental illness, they can sometimes exclude suicide cover for number of years after such episodes, but there is no general bar on insurance payments for suicide.

And Coroners really just stick to the facts - they're not interested in playing games with insurers or whoever.

You can Google it. Most Coroners will not write suicide on a death cert. They believe it causes distress to the family etc. They don't want the family to have to deal with the media. Coroners are happily altering the cause of death to protect families from the media

I can't remember the case exactly. But there was a suicide where the coroner listed the death as a 'misadventure' as the family were worried about the life assurance company paying out

clairewithani · 22-05-2016 10:14PM

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

Jesus, dont fall off your high horse will you. It's not necessarily the best of human nature, but people are just curious creatures and when a story is put in the paper about "well known dublin legal celebrity/pundit". If they wanted to keep it secret then there shouldnt have been any tantalising / sensationalist reporting of the story.

Just because people want to know who the person is doesnt mean that they dont understand mental health problems, or that they wished anything bad against this person, or that they were judging him in any way.

Sorry but disagree with one thing
If your main thing is you want to know who then absolutely no way do you understand mental health problems.

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup · 22-05-2016 10:49PM

Penny Tration wrote: »

I'm not slagging anyone, I'm surprised people have the cheek to ask who the person is, when there's no need to know, his/her family could be reading the thread, and they don't even bother to throw in a token "RIP."

It's nothing to do with a moral pedestal, it's about not being a nosey bollocks.

ya i'm sure that will be the family's biggest concern at the moment, that randomers on a boards.ie thread didn't offer their condolences

twowheelsonly · 22-05-2016 10:54PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

But I think where it's known that there's a strong possibility that the missing person may be considering suicide the authorities have a responsibility whether the family want it or not to inform the public that Mr/Mrs X is missing and they seek the publics help in reporting sightings of him/her to them. Someone could leave a suicide note at their home, drive to the Cliffs Of Moher and spend 2 or 3 days wandering around before actually doing the deed, in this time if people knew that person was missing they could have reported him/her to authorities and he/she be saved.

Exactly what happened to a guy I used to work with. Drove and hung around the Clare/Galway and COM area for 5 or 6 days before doing it.
Cops actually spoke to him a day or 2 before his death but he just said he was ok and didn't want to go home. Nothing that they could do in fairness as he was obviously an adult and didn't appear to be in distress.
He moved on from where they spoke to him and a day or two later went over the cliffs. We've often wondered if it had been a friend, work colleague or family member that had found him would there have been a different outcome ?

foggy_lad · 22-05-2016 10:57PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Single vehicle crashes in the early hours into a tree or ditch often makes me think "deliberate".

Called a car crash though. So no one will ever know really.

The inquest =death by misadventure usually.

I mostly think people going to work early are still half asleep and mostly young lads working long hours who either fall asleep or just misjudge speed/distances and crash. Still just as tragic as if they had taken their own lives by deliberately crashing but usually there is no evidence of this!

22-05-2016 11:23PM

newacc2015 wrote: »

You can Google it. Most Coroners will not write suicide on a death cert. They believe it causes distress to the family etc. They don't want the family to have to deal with the media. Coroners are happily altering the cause of death to protect families from the media

I can't remember the case exactly. But there was a suicide where the coroner listed the death as a 'misadventure' as the family were worried about the life assurance company paying out

In fairness, they rely on evidence. And the best evidence in a Coroners Court is usually that provided by the Pathologist. And if the Pathologist, or no one else steps up to give evidence of suicide, it's not for the Coroner to speculate, even if it seems obvious by inference.

PeterTheEighth · 23-05-2016 08:14AM

clairewithani wrote: »

Sorry but disagree with one thing
If your main thing is you want to know who then absolutely no way do you understand mental health problems.

Good response Claire, that's certainly puts you closer to God than I.

Well do you know what Claire, I've decided.... I DONT WANT TO KNOW. Because if me asking a simple question allows you and certain other "defenders of integrity and decent behaviour on the Internet" to take the moral high ground and judge the rest of us, then I'm not gonna be your enabler. So hopefully this will free you to return to Twitter and start posting things like "I know that was a terrible accident in UK, but 2000 people died in Iraq last week #justsayin"

Good luck.

...

Samaris · 23-05-2016 08:49AM

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

Well do you know what Claire, I've decided.... I DONT WANT TO KNOW. ...

Good.

23-05-2016 08:51AM

If it was never mentioned that they were prominent and just a normal person then this thread would have probably been over now.

It's got nothing to do with offering sympathy, it's nosiness. Nothing more, nothing less.

Notice how nobody asked really about the second body they found and has pretty much been forgotten?

PeterTheEighth · 23-05-2016 11:26AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Notice how nobody asked really about the second body they found and has pretty much been forgotten?

Fair play. Even this late into the thread you found a unique angle on being self righteous.

swimming in a sea · 23-05-2016 02:20PM

Feets wrote: »

I see <mod snip>name removed</mod snip> death was announced.

I presume that's who it was....

Sittingpretty · 23-05-2016 02:24PM

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I presume that's who it was....

I've not seen it confirmed to be anyone today?

Samaris · 23-05-2016 02:49PM

swimming in a sea wrote: »

I presume that's who it was....

Given the said person died "after a short illness", we can assume it was probably not.

eamonnq · 23-05-2016 02:50PM

I think this thread should be closed.

Missing man at the Cliffs of Moher.

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