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Father and Son, Shower photo.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,502 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    RobertKK wrote: »
    That makes no sense, so you are saying the father sat on the toilet to use it as a seat and the bath as the toilet.
    Logic would say the father would sit on the edge of the bath if close enough to toilet and support the child on the toilet if needed.

    It was a joke


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 15,238 ✭✭✭✭Diabhal Beag


    To me the picture reflects the desperate need of society to constantly capture everything in a lens just to have proof and praise.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,152 ✭✭✭✭KERSPLAT!


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    It was a joke

    Less of that!! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,946 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    RobertKK wrote: »
    I don't care if it is the mother or father, what is weird was thinking of taking a photo of it when one would think one would be more concerned about the child being sick, so sick he ended up in hospital.

    As a parent, you are internally panicking until you get a diagnosis. Once you have that and know what's ahead of you, its no different to the way you'd manage an illness you had yourself.

    Out of curiosity what should be an appropriate reaction from her? I'm just wondering because my child has thankfully never had a D&V incident yet. I always thought that I should be calm with my child if they are hurt or sick, and not show them I'm terrified or panicking because that will only upset and frighten them more, but maybe I'm doing it all wrong!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭FizzleSticks


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    Candie wrote: »
    It's a lovely photo of the loving care of a dad looking after his sick baby. Anyone who sees anything wrong with it is fundamentally flawed.
    It's actually perverse and slightly seedy to read anything perverse or seedy into it. It's almost depressing and it says far more about the eye of the beholder.


    Exactly, f*cking idiots who see anything abusive in it are the f*cked up ones..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,782 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    It was a joke

    Well that went over my head :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    What's the problem? We should be celebrating dads like that. He's what a dad should be. He's putting his sick son over being puked and pooped on and vomitted on. I can't have been the only child that loved being comforted when I was sick? Everyone knows when you're sick mammy and daddy's bed is where you go to feel better. I still remember my own dad getting up with me when I'd be sick during the night, calmly saying "you're alright you're alright" over and over. He was puked on plenty. It comes with the territory of being Worlds Best Dad.

    I would feel sorry for anyone who had an issue with that pic. How could that be anything but normal? If you think it's abnormal, I feel bad you didn't have a dad like that in your life. Dads (not fathers) are so important. Every kid deserves a dad like that. It's why I get so annoyed when I see a relationship break down and a mother deliberately keeping their child away from the child's daddy because they're hurt or angry. It's okay not to like your ex, but it's not ok to make a child feel like they need to hate them too.

    Of course there'll be fathers out there who don't deserve to be called daddy, but also plenty of children who are missing out because of bitter feuds and being used as pawns in punishing the other parent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 324 ✭✭elaney


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    Well all i am saying is i don't see a discussion tread here of the mother i seen
    last week on facebook doing the exact same thing as the father in
    this photo . Why is that ?. My husband has gone into the shower with
    my kids when they were sick why does it matter if its male or female? She
    went viral why cant he?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Pawwed Rig wrote: »
    It was a joke
    A shit joke?

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,502 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    Esel wrote: »
    A shit joke?

    Badoom tish


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭FizzleSticks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,014 ✭✭✭✭Skerries


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Neyite wrote: »
    As a parent, you are internally panicking until you get a diagnosis. Once you have that and know what's ahead of you, its no different to the way you'd manage an illness you had yourself.

    Out of curiosity what should be an appropriate reaction from her? I'm just wondering because my child has thankfully never had a D&V incident yet. I always thought that I should be calm with my child if they are hurt or sick, and not show them I'm terrified or panicking because that will only upset and frighten them more, but maybe I'm doing it all wrong!

    Not sure if gastroenteritis usually involves dangerously elevated temperature.

    For gastroenteritis or repeated diahorrhea, rehydration with e.g. Dioralyte or sterile water with a very little bit of salt and sugar.

    For fever, Calpol (v small amount of paracetamol). If temp is v high, cool baths or continuous application of cool, damp cloths.

    Doctor; hospital.

    IANAD, and this is not medical advice.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    elaney wrote: »
    Well all i am saying is i don't see a discussion tread here of the mother i seen
    last week on facebook doing the exact same thing as the father in
    this photo . Why is that ?. My husband has gone into the shower with
    my kids when they were sick why does it matter if its male or female? She
    went viral why cant he?


    I'm wondering whether that was the reason the pic was uploaded tbh. As has been seen in just this short thread on it's own, there are plenty of men who take great care of their children, and they don't see anything they do as anything special. I don't see what's so special about this man taking care of his child either. I don't see it as worthy of being a photo opportunity, let alone one that needed sharing. Equally tbh I would say the same about a photo of a woman doing what mothers do day in, day out, all over the world.

    Then again, most people aren't so desperate for validation either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Neyite wrote: »
    As a parent, you are internally panicking until you get a diagnosis. Once you have that and know what's ahead of you, its no different to the way you'd manage an illness you had yourself.

    Out of curiosity what should be an appropriate reaction from her? I'm just wondering because my child has thankfully never had a D&V incident yet. I always thought that I should be calm with my child if they are hurt or sick, and not show them I'm terrified or panicking because that will only upset and frighten them more, but maybe I'm doing it all wrong!


    I don't know about an appropriate action, but I know an inappropriate action when I see it. How is the next person supposed to top that like?


    (if someone says live birth on YouTube, I wouldn't be surprised if it's already been done)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,502 ✭✭✭✭Pawwed Rig


    (if someone says live birth on YouTube, I wouldn't be surprised if it's already been done)

    Many times and it really is not an activity for spectators.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,129 ✭✭✭griffin100


    The problem with the picture??

    He's hairy
    He's not sucking his stomach in
    He's not photogenic
    It's not well posed

    If he was a Men's Health cover model it would be a piece of art.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    griffin100 wrote: »
    The problem with the picture??

    He's hairy
    He's not sucking his stomach in
    He's not photogenic
    It's not well posed

    If he was a Men's Health cover model it would be a piece of art.


    Nah, I thought the KBC poster of the guy sitting in his jocks with a baby on his lap was bizarre too tbh. I just don't get it. I get that it's supposed to be appealing, I just don't know who it could appeal to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    Doesn't it remind you of your own childhood? Feeling safe? I don't remember being held in the shower being sick but I remember getting sick in my dads face, as he slept in my single bed with me about 5 years old. I remember getting chickenpox and being very clingy hanging onto him so much the entire time I was unwell, and him ending up seriously unwell after because he never had chickenpox and ended up getting shingles from me.

    I see that pic and there's nothing gross or pervy or shameful or unnatural. It's just a man being a daddy. And surely most of us can relate to that, either as being a dad or having a dad?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Doesn't it remind you of your own childhood? Feeling safe? I don't remember being held in the shower being sick but I remember getting sick in my dads face, as he slept in my single bed with me about 5 years old. I remember getting chickenpox and being very clingy hanging onto him so much the entire time I was unwell, and him ending up seriously unwell after because he never had chickenpox and ended up getting shingles from me.

    I see that pic and there's nothing gross or pervy or shameful or unnatural. It's just a man being a daddy. And surely most of us can relate to that, either as being a dad or having a dad?


    Sure, I can relate to it with my own child, I can remember having to bring him to the hospital and begging the nurse to find another way of treating him without sticking a suppository... I can remember holding him afterwards and thinking well that's never going to happen again, and then thinking "ahh shìt!" when he lurched all over the shoulder of my jacket...

    I can remember lots and I can relate to plenty, but posing for pictures while he was puking and lying limp in my arms exhausted and I'm literally praying the worst doesn't happen and my wife is going nuts?

    Nope, can't relate to that at all at all tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Again, IANAD, but I thought you had to have had chicken pox as a child to get shingles as am adult.

    Either way: I can't see sitting under a shower with your sick child being a first-response situation - unless advised by a doctor/medical professional.

    No way: Picture on the web.

    So many photographers; so few artists.

    So little privacy; so much invasion of same.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    I do get that, kind of. I was in a+e recently and I was sitting in a room waiting to be seen. Now, I'm not known for my maternal streak or my compassion for crying kids. But, in the hospital, and all I can hear is a tiny child, high pitched SCREAMING, "no no no no no!! Stop!!! Mammy!!! MAMMY!!!"

    I didn't see the child, could only hear him and I was bawling it was so distressing, even to me, no connection to the child not a maternal bone in my body. I wanted to go and find him and make it stop and tell him he was going to be okay and give him a cuddle. I can't even begin to imagine how his mam or dad felt. I was a perfect stranger, and it broke my heart, it was clearly a million times worse for them.

    That said. Kids get sick. They poop. They vomit. They're gross little feckers, swapping snotty kisses and germs and lunches and god knows what. Stay calm, keep them comfortable. If he's boiling up, vomitting and diahoria, it makes sense to strip off and sit in a cool shower. It's not posing with the child. He's looking after his child. The mother took a pic. No big deal. It's a tender moment. Her standing wailing and being hysterical will upset the child even more, I'm sure.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    Read the article in the OP and thought it was a beautiful photo and couldn't really understand why anyone would take issue with it. Noticed that it said the woman was a photographer and felt that would be reason enough to explain away why she would be of a mind to grab her camera at such a time just because she saw an opportunity to take a good shot. Before I posted saying as much though, I wanted to check to see if she had ever posted similar photos before now and if perhaps there was a chance that she had orchestrated the whole 'went viral' thing to some degree.

    So I Google'd 'Heather Whitten'.

    Well, I am sorry I did, as the first thing Google found was a link to her blog, which I clicked on, and immediately, oh I don't know, maybe around a couple of dozen or so high resolution photos loaded many of which showed her kids stark naked, including many shots which showed their genitalia. The husband and her seem to walk around in the nip with their kids all day doing feck all else but take photos. The chap has also taken one or two shots of himself holding the same child naked. There is another shower shot from the past couple of days too. So yeah, maybe best to not click on her blog.

    I'm not saying there is anything untoward going on there by the way, or that she, or he, are taking the photos for nefarious purposes. Nudity is not inherently sexual after all, but.. it ain't half weird to have so many pictures of your kids naked on the interwebs, imo.

    Anyway, does anyone know how best to burn a harddrive? :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,880 ✭✭✭Canis Lupus


    Problem with the photo content. No.

    Problem with the attention whoring. Yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    No problem with the event happening but if I was in that situation I would point out now isn't really the time for a photo, never mind uploading it to Facebook. I don't really get why a person would share that with everyone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,172 ✭✭✭FizzleSticks


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,954 ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Absolutely no problem with the image. It shows a loving father taking care of his sick son.

    People who have serious problems with the image - well it says much more about them than the father and son in the image.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    Cathy.C wrote:
    ... it ain't half weird...

    No, from your report, it's totally fricking weird! It brings a whole new dimension to the issue.

    Think hypercube, go dimensional. In the old days, people would kill a pig and hang it in the chimney to cure it. Now they just use the microwave to heat their TV dinner. Who is the winner? Not the local butcher, not the local baker, not the local candlestick maker. The mover and shaker - The Maker.

    40 years ago, the internet wasn't a problem for the masses. These days, the masses are a problem for the innocent.

    Going forward, what can we do? It's not up to you. It's up to us. Don't make a fuss.

    tl/dr Blog off.

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭Cathy.C


    Esel wrote: »
    No, from your report, it's totally fricking weird! It brings a whole new dimension to the issue.

    Well, maybe I overstated what I said tbf to her. She's a photographer at the end of the day and this all just seems to be an area she is drawn to. She also does birthing photography too. I did initially think the photo was beautiful after all, and still do, and also many of the photos I referenced, but yeah, quite a lot of those on the opening page of her blog, and page 2 (which was the first page I was brought to for some reason) contain lots of photos of her kids naked playing around the house, in the bath, in the garden etc and some show genitalia. Now, is that a bad thing? I wouldn't say so usually, nudity is not inherently sexual like I said before, but, anyone who sees these kids will know who they are and it wouldn't that difficult to find out where they live. Bit different to have photography books full of naked anonymous kids, quite another to have them online when everyone knows who they are, imo anyway.

    The shower photo was from over a year and a half ago it seems and this all happened after she gave an interview and spoke about it in that interview and so then reposted so that people would know what she was referring to. Seems just before all this she was banned from Instagram for posting the nude shots of the kids up there. Deliberately courting controversy perhaps? Perhaps but sure here's that interview if anyone wants to cut and paste the url and read it but be warned, there are a few photos included which, although milder than many of of those on her blog, still may not be something you wish to view all the same.

    lightinspired.net/interview-with-heather-halford-whitten/


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