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Ulster Bank League 2015-2016 Talk/Gossip/Rumours

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Don't think they have a club of the year award but Marys won the Leinster club of the year award which seems to have a very odd selection process!

    12 clubs spread across all the rewards which is a pretty good spread

    Decent result for Deasy to get the top points award given Lansdowne didn't make top 4
    What do you think is odd with selection process of club of year in Leinster awards?
    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    That's obviously what I am mixing it up with. Mary's are a great club but hardly a great year for them overall.

    Agree on the spread, some clubs and players really are doing great things at the moment and great to see recognition given to that. I have to say Ulster Bank have really done a great job over the last few years as well.

    In fairness, Deasy is easily the most experienced OH in the league and the most composed/best kicker. I think any club would bite your hand off if you offered him to them (not that you would!!).
    Senior club of year award is for more than how AIL side did. Marys junior sides i assume also were successful winning a trophy or two so....


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    What do you think is odd with selection process of club of year in Leinster awards?

    Senior club of year award is for more than how AIL side did. Marys junior sides i assume also were successful winning a trophy or two so....

    Yea you would think but I'm pretty sure Tarf have acquitted themselves pretty well at most levels this year and would stack up pretty well in comparison to Marys.

    Lansdowne won the AIL last season along with the Fraser McMullan as well as several junior trophies including a J2 double and yet Old Wesley got the best club award - not bitter !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Yea you would think but I'm pretty sure Tarf have acquitted themselves pretty well at most levels this year and would stack up pretty well in comparison to Marys.

    Lansdowne won the AIL last season along with the Fraser McMullan as well as several junior trophies including a J2 double and yet Old Wesley got the best club award - not bitter !
    Its going to vary year on year. You wont have and cant have a criteria to be met for this award tbh and it would be completely unrealistic to have one. Like how do you decide on a criteria.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Tarf1234


    Stainalert wrote: »
    Yea you would think but I'm pretty sure Tarf have acquitted themselves pretty well at most levels this year and would stack up pretty well in comparison to Marys.

    Lansdowne won the AIL last season along with the Fraser McMullan as well as several junior trophies including a J2 double and yet Old Wesley got the best club award - not bitter !
    Its going to vary year on year. You wont have and cant have a criteria to be met for this award tbh and it would be completely unrealistic to have one. Like how do you decide on a criteria.


    Marys have not had a good year through the club by their standards let alone by inter club standards. I wasn't saying it as how did we not win it, although I would have thought we were the standout club with growth in womens rugby, launching disabled rugby, winning the AIL, a number of junior cup/league wins and roughly 10 underage trophies. I would have though Terenure as a club had a better year then Marys as well as another example or Trinity even.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭phog


    YM Coaching ticket for next season
    GEAROID Prendergast is set to take over as head coach at Young Munster next season following David Corkery’s departure from Greenfields.

    Prendergast, who was most recently head coach and assistant coach at UL-Bohemian, has previously spent 12 years at Clifford Park, both as a player and coach.

    Prendergast, brother of Mike, the former Munsters’ Director of Rugby and current backs coach at Top14 side Grenoble, is looking forward to the challenge ahead.

    Prendergast’s backroom team at Young Munster next season will also include Munster out-half Ian Keatley, John Staunton and current captain Ger Slattery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Nucifora replies to Corkery's rant
    Disappointingly, the Munster Senior Cup final, originally scheduled for April 9th, was delayed for five weeks, as a result of one fixture being rescheduled seven times, and due to the great success of Cork Constitution in advancing to the Ulster Bank League and Bateman Cup finals.
    It is unfortunate, but entirely an issue for those involved in rescheduling this delayed fixture to May 15th, that a contracted player in the Sevens programme was unavailable on the day. The IRFU did not “pull” any players at short notice. – Yours, etc,

    That's him told


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    I respect Nucifora for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭phog


    I respect Nucifora for that.

    But Corkery has a point too - the IRFU released some players inside the window of lock down for the 7's program but failed to do so for the Munster Cup.


  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭MrJones2013


    phog wrote: »
    But Corkery has a point too - the IRFU released some players inside the window of lock down for the 7's program but failed to do so for the Munster Cup.

    That's true but I think the Munster Branch need to be held some bit responsible also, re-scheduling a fixture seven times is a bit crazy.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    phog wrote: »
    But Corkery has a point too - the IRFU released some players inside the window of lock down for the 7's program but failed to do so for the Munster Cup.

    If they are paid/contracted to the Sevens program then tbh the IRFU can do what they like, much like the provinces releasing players to the clubs. Rescheduling a fixture 7 times is also an extraordinary occurrence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭phog


    If they are paid/contracted to the Sevens program then tbh the IRFU can do what they like, much like the provinces releasing players to the clubs. Rescheduling a fixture 7 times is also an extraordinary occurrence.

    That's probably the bullish attitude that Corkery was complaining about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    That's true but I think the Munster Branch need to be held some bit responsible also, re-scheduling a fixture seven times is a bit crazy.
    Munster weren't sole ones responsible for changing the fixture. They have some fault but considering Con had so many other comps etc to play senior cup was bound to be moved...
    phog wrote: »
    That's probably the bullish attitude that Corkery was complaining about.
    Well they can and IRFU do contract/pay these guys so what do you expect them to do....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭phog


    Munster weren't sole ones responsible for changing the fixture. They have some fault but considering Con had so many other comps etc to play senior cup was bound to be moved...

    Well they can and IRFU do contract/pay these guys so what do you expect them to do....

    Expect?

    I think it would have been good for the club game to release the two players to play in the final.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,546 ✭✭✭✭phog


    David Corkery - IRFU v The Clubs


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    phog wrote: »
    Expect?

    I think it would have been good for the club game to release the two players to play in the final.
    But these are contracted players and in the long term these players will benefit more from being in best shape for a tournament that is giving them a shot at playing in an Olympics. The first Olympics that rugby is taking part in in nearly 100 years.
    Yes its unfortunate that they will have missed a final but the final was delayed countless times throughout the season and considering what Young Munster have done in finals before I don't think anyone can talk about being good for the game...
    Munsters sent a team that was frankly dangerous to play against Nenagh Ormond in a Munster Senior Plate final back in 2014. They had to ring around for 3rds players and guys well retired to play a Nenagh team that won 2B that season. They turned up with 18 players and it was a disgrace.
    phog wrote: »
    David Corkery - IRFU v The Clubs
    A lot of the points he makes have been made here before. Most of the academy players are playing with clubs on a very regular basis and if not are bar some odd occasions either playing at a higher level or are injured. They are not simply wrapped in cotton wool as Corkery claims.
    Having players simply play in the clubs week to week and not at A level etc doesn't help the provinces and as they are the employers they wont let that happen...


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    A lot of these sevens players are not actually contracted. The assumption that playing sevens makes you a better rugby player is highly debatable and not an idea I agree with.

    Yes a lot of the points Corkery makes have been made before. But they are very relevant and are simply not being addressed by the IRFU. I also share his view that academy players are not playing enough rugby and as such their rugby development is suffering.


  • Registered Users Posts: 178 ✭✭Braken


    Stainalert wrote: »
    A lot of these sevens players are not actually contracted. The assumption that playing sevens makes you a better rugby player is highly debatable and not an idea I agree with.

    Yes a lot of the points Corkery makes have been made before. But they are very relevant and are simply not being addressed by the IRFU. I also share his view that academy players are not playing enough rugby and as such their rugby development is suffering.
    Check out Paul O Connell in the Irish Examiner today..interesting what he has to say about AIL/academies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Stainalert wrote: »
    A lot of these sevens players are not actually contracted. The assumption that playing sevens makes you a better rugby player is highly debatable and not an idea I agree with.

    Yes a lot of the points Corkery makes have been made before. But they are very relevant and are simply not being addressed by the IRFU. I also share his view that academy players are not playing enough rugby and as such their rugby development is suffering.
    Is it? As the argument is fairly strong when you look at how nearly all other top rugby countries have used 7s well and used it in developing players who have progressed to the higher echelons of the game.
    Academy players are playing a lot of rugby when you look at those who are under 20s and then those who are not most will play a lot of AIL.
    Look at UCD teams and they have regularly fielded multiple academy players if these guys are fit and not playing on Leinster or irish sides...


  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭MrJones2013


    Yes its unfortunate that they will have missed a final but the final was delayed countless times throughout the season and considering what Young Munster have done in finals before I don't think anyone can talk about being good for the game...
    Munsters sent a team that was frankly dangerous to play against Nenagh Ormond in a Munster Senior Plate final back in 2014. They had to ring around for 3rds players and guys well retired to play a Nenagh team that won 2B that season. They turned up with 18 players and it was a disgrace.

    This is a disgrace to be honest and I'm not too sure what the full situation was with the game you are referencing but surely YM would have requested that the date of the game be changed as they would have known they had players unavailable? Surely sending retired/3rds players out for a provincial final was the last resort for the club? Was it a message to the branch from the club? Were the club threatened by the branch that not fulfilling the fixture could have implications and had no choice?

    It just doesn't make sense that a club would field such a side for a final, especially a provincial final, without good reasoning, I know my club would only do so if there was no alternative.

    Also you use the word 'finals' which references the plural, have YM done something similar previously or since?
    Braken wrote: »
    Check out Paul O Connell in the Irish Examiner today..interesting what he has to say about AIL/academies

    It's hard to disagree with him, since the last of the players who earned their stripes in the AIL when it was in its heyday before graduating to the Munster set up have finished up with the province they have gone in to freefall and rapid decline.

    There is a distinct lack of passion in a lot of the players performances and some play like it's their God given right to wear that jersey when others (CJ Stander and P O'Mahoney are genuinely the only two I can think of) play like they have a point to prove to themselves and others.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    This is a disgrace to be honest and I'm not too sure what the full situation was with the game you are referencing but surely YM would have requested that the date of the game be changed as they would have known they had players unavailable? Surely sending retired/3rds players out for a provincial final was the last resort for the club? Was it a message to the branch from the club? Were the club threatened by the branch that not fulfilling the fixture could have implications and had no choice?

    It just doesn't make sense that a club would field such a side for a final, especially a provincial final, without good reasoning, I know my club would only do so if there was no alternative.

    Also you use the word 'finals' which references the plural, have YM done something similar previously or since?
    It was nothing to do with Munster Rugby, Munster Branch, the competitions committee. All to do with senior players and the club. Sending out that team v Nenagh was to save face.
    It's hard to disagree with him, since the last of the players who earned their stripes in the AIL when it was in its heyday before graduating to the Munster set up have finished up with the province they have gone in to freefall and rapid decline.

    There is a distinct lack of passion in a lot of the players performances and some play like it's their God given right to wear that jersey when others (CJ Stander and P O'Mahoney are genuinely the only two I can think of) play like they have a point to prove to themselves and others.
    Ultimately **** passion and all that surrounds it. Its clichéd nonsense that Munster players are lacking pashun and that's why theyre not as good. Munster have gone into freefall for loads of other reasons. The game has changed significantly since the AIL was in its real hey day which was 90s and early 00s. The pro12 is running 15 seasons and in the first 2 the provinces only played 8/9 games iirc so players still played with clubs.
    The sport has moved in. The clubs are important and all prospective academy and young pros will play in the AIL but its role has changed forever and it will not get to where it was before.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭MrJones2013


    It was nothing to do with Munster Rugby, Munster Branch, the competitions committee. All to do with senior players and the club. Sending out that team v Nenagh was to save face.

    You sound like you have facts to back this up, do you? Did YM seek to have the fixture re-scheduled? If so why wasn't it granted, if not then were the club reprimanded? They should have been as this was a serious issue with players welfare being put at risk. Also you never answered my 'have YM done something similar previously or since' question
    Ultimately **** passion and all that surrounds it. Its clichéd nonsense that Munster players are lacking pashun and that's why theyre not as good. Munster have gone into freefall for loads of other reasons. The game has changed significantly since the AIL was in its real hey day which was 90s and early 00s. The pro12 is running 15 seasons and in the first 2 the provinces only played 8/9 games iirc so players still played with clubs.
    The sport has moved in. The clubs are important and all prospective academy and young pros will play in the AIL but its role has changed forever and it will not get to where it was before.

    '**** passion'? Christ I'd rather have 23 players with 100% passion and f*ck all ability rather than zero passion and a tonne of ability any day of the week. Rugby is a collision sport and physicality has a huge part to play in it. If you have someone who wants it more than his opposite number he is going to dominate him all day long, the only way you can want it more is if you have the desire and PASSION to win that collision.

    The sport has moved on you're correct but the basic principles of the game will never change and passion has a huge part to play in that, if you don't have that passion and have players who are just in it for the pay cheque then the sport will end up going down the same route as soccer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    You sound like you have facts to back this up, do you? Did YM seek to have the fixture re-scheduled? If so why wasn't it granted, if not then were the club reprimanded? They should have been as this was a serious issue with players welfare being put at risk. Also you never answered my 'have YM done something similar previously or since' question
    I cant show anything but as I was at that game and was told that by YM club men...
    Google it. They seeked to have to rescheduled but reasons gave not good enough etc
    '**** passion'? Christ I'd rather have 23 players with 100% passion and f*ck all ability rather than zero passion and a tonne of ability any day of the week. Rugby is a collision sport and physicality has a huge part to play in it. If you have someone who wants it more than his opposite number he is going to dominate him all day long, the only way you can want it more is if you have the desire and PASSION to win that collision.

    The sport has moved on you're correct but the basic principles of the game will never change and passion has a huge part to play in that, if you don't have that passion and have players who are just in it for the pay cheque then the sport will end up going down the same route as soccer.
    Are you serious? Id pick ability over passion all the time. Saying the pro guys lack passion is nonsense. What determines passion? How do you say someone is more passionate?


  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭MrJones2013


    It was nothing to do with Munster Rugby, Munster Branch, the competitions committee. All to do with senior players and the club. Sending out that team v Nenagh was to save face.
    I cant show anything but as I was at that game and was told that by YM club men...
    Google it. They seeked to have to rescheduled but reasons gave not good enough etc

    Googled it, can't seem to find anything other than a broken link to an article on the Nenagh Guardian.

    They did seek to reschedule it so but someone deemed their reasons as not good enough......sounds like it was something to do with the Munster Branch/competitions committee so. Any idea what the reasons were? Surely it was something to do with player availability given only 18 turned up on the day, a number of them 3rds/retired players.
    Are you serious? Id pick ability over passion all the time. Saying the pro guys lack passion is nonsense. What determines passion? How do you say someone is more passionate?

    I've played with/against plenty of teams which had plenty of passion and inferior ability and these sides are always tougher to play against and some of the best sides I've played with.

    Look back at some of the Munster sides in the early days of the professional era (most of whom earned their stripes in the AIL) and as much of a cliche as it sounds, what they lacked in ability they made up for in passion and were always there or thereabouts when challenging for honours in competitions.

    To me body language says alot about how passionate a player is and when you see some players just going through the motions and happy with their pay cheque regardless of the result or even performance at the weekend it doesn't exactly scream passionate to me. It might be harsh or 'nonsense' but it is an opinion and one I'm sure others would have also.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Tarf1234


    I can't see why anyone would disagree with passion/heart/desire being hugely important. Something that will keep you going put in the extra 10% put your body on the line. A lot of people talk about islanders and maori's only playing to their potential when they have that passion. Look at Bundee Aki.. To say passion has no value is ridiculous it is the same for all walks of life/profession.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Googled it, can't seem to find anything other than a broken link to an article on the Nenagh Guardian.

    They did seek to reschedule it so but someone deemed their reasons as not good enough......sounds like it was something to do with the Munster Branch/competitions committee so. Any idea what the reasons were? Surely it was something to do with player availability given only 18 turned up on the day, a number of them 3rds/retired players.

    I've played with/against plenty of teams which had plenty of passion and inferior ability and these sides are always tougher to play against and some of the best sides I've played with.

    Look back at some of the Munster sides in the early days of the professional era (most of whom earned their stripes in the AIL) and as much of a cliche as it sounds, what they lacked in ability they made up for in passion and were always there or thereabouts when challenging for honours in competitions.

    To me body language says alot about how passionate a player is and when you see some players just going through the motions and happy with their pay cheque regardless of the result or even performance at the weekend it doesn't exactly scream passionate to me. It might be harsh or 'nonsense' but it is an opinion and one I'm sure others would have also.
    Well I was at the game and was told by members of YM that players refused to turn up on the day of the game(€€€€€) and they fielded a team of anyone they could find. It was a disgrace. They didn't even turn up with their Gleeson league team.
    We are talking about professional players. Continually talking about the importance of passion is nonsense. New Zealand are not continuously the best team in the world because they are the most passionate.
    Talking about the Munster teams and early pro era is completely different. The celtic league hadn't started when Munster reached their first European final.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Tarf1234


    We are talking about professional players. Continually talking about the importance of passion is nonsense. New Zealand are not continuously the best team in the world because they are the most passionate.
    Talking about the Munster teams and early pro era is completely different. The celtic league hadn't started when Munster reached their first European final.

    I think you'll find the All Black are pretty passionate about being All Blacks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 279 ✭✭MrJones2013


    Well I was at the game and was told by members of YM that players refused to turn up on the day of the game(€€€€€) and they fielded a team of anyone they could find. It was a disgrace. They didn't even turn up with their Gleeson league team.

    If €€€€€ is the case then you are right and it is a disgrace. It sounds like they had no option but to only play players that were willing to play (would you call that passion?) and if that is the case then I would say you are wrong to slate the club as a whole and only slate the players who refused to play. YM are a club steeped in history and a club I have huge respect for, my own club along with YM and one other club from the city only North Munster clubs that could field teams at all levels independently at underage for the last number of seasons, they were semi finalists in the Div 1A for the last two seasons, Senior Cup finalists this season and Junior Cup winners this season, Munster Club of the year in 2010 and so on and so on. I think it is a bit harsh to be labelling the club as a whole as a 'disgrace' based on the actions of some players you claim are motivated by money. These threads are read by supporters from all clubs in all provinces and weather you realise it or not posts like yours can influence peoples perceptions on their clubs. I wouldn't like my own club to be disrespected in such a manner, I'd doubt you would and I'd doubt any other supporters would either.
    We are talking about professional players. Continually talking about the importance of passion is nonsense. New Zealand are not continuously the best team in the world because they are the most passionate.

    You keep calling the importance of passion 'nonsense' but I would seriously disagree even in this professional era, look at Connacht this season, plenty of passion behind their performances, the drive to succeed and prove all doubters wrong. You mention NZ, I'd say they are pretty passionate about representing their country, the ultimate honour. Munster v NZ back in 2008, narrowly lost by a point, how many of the Munster squad that day would have made the NZ squad? Passion v ability......

    Talking about the Munster teams and early pro era is completely different. The celtic league hadn't started when Munster reached their first European final.

    You are right, the celtic league hadn't started by then, it had started when Munster won their first European Cup though, how many of that squad had played at AIL level? Just counted the matchday squad and 17 of the 22 had played AIL (18 if you include Rob Henderson having played with you favourite side YM).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    I think you'll find the All Black are pretty passionate about being All Blacks.
    But the over focusing on this is ridiculous.
    If €€€€€ is the case then you are right and it is a disgrace. It sounds like they had no option but to only play players that were willing to play (would you call that passion?) and if that is the case then I would say you are wrong to slate the club as a whole and only slate the players who refused to play.
    They continuously acted the maggot with that. Moving dates etc
    YM are a club steeped in history and a club I have huge respect for, my own club along with YM and one other club from the city only North Munster clubs that could field teams at all levels independently at underage for the last number of seasons, they were semi finalists in the Div 1A for the last two seasons, Senior Cup finalists this season and Junior Cup winners this season, Munster Club of the year in 2010 and so on and so on. I think it is a bit harsh to be labelling the club as a whole as a 'disgrace' based on the actions of some players you claim are motivated by money. These threads are read by supporters from all clubs in all provinces and weather you realise it or not posts like yours can influence peoples perceptions on their clubs. I wouldn't like my own club to be disrespected in such a manner, I'd doubt you would and I'd doubt any other supporters would either.
    They are but their actions on this occasion were disgraceful and I do respect the club tremendously but that doesn't excuse what they did. I think the club can be labelled disgraceful for what they did around that game. That doesn't mean I still hold that opinion about them.

    You keep calling the importance of passion 'nonsense' but I would seriously disagree even in this professional era, look at Connacht this season, plenty of passion behind their performances, the drive to succeed and prove all doubters wrong. You mention NZ, I'd say they are pretty passionate about representing their country, the ultimate honour. Munster v NZ back in 2008, narrowly lost by a point, how many of the Munster squad that day would have made the NZ squad? Passion v ability......
    I just think there is too much focus on people talking about passion. Passion helps of course but people can focus on it and talk about it while ignoring much more important things.
    You are right, the celtic league hadn't started by then, it had started when Munster won their first European Cup though, how many of that squad had played at AIL level? Just counted the matchday squad and 17 of the 22 had played AIL (18 if you include Rob Henderson having played with you favourite side YM).
    Yes most of those who won first European cup did play a lot of AIL but you have to take into account age profile of those players....
    The game has evolved and I as a huge club man, member of committees etc in clubs, promoter of games etc, don't like how so many who follow the sport don't have a notion of the strength of the club game and its importance to the overall survival of the sport but its role in the sport has changed whether you like it or not and we have to be pragmatic about what it can do..


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    IRFU have announced that they are increasing the maximum number of fully contracted players that a team can select for an AIL fixture to 4 with a maximum of 2 forwards.

    No restrictions on players with development or academy contracts


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Tarf1234


    Stainalert wrote: »
    IRFU have announced that they are increasing the maximum number of fully contracted players that a team can select for an AIL fixture to 4 with a maximum of 2 forwards.

    No restrictions on players with development or academy contracts

    Good to see, I always thought the restriction was too late in coming. Probably more appropriate in the early years when more full time pro's played. 4 seems sensible to me. No restrictions on development and academy is essential.

    I'd be interested to see what club benefits from the additional players? I presume it will be clubs with more pro forwards.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Good to see, I always thought the restriction was too late in coming. Probably more appropriate in the early years when more full time pro's played. 4 seems sensible to me. No restrictions on development and academy is essential.

    I'd be interested to see what club benefits from the additional players? I presume it will be clubs with more pro forwards.
    What clubs do you think will benefit?

    Full article: http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/37560.php#.V1GPdU3JAdU
    - existing structure will remain in place until at least the end of the 2017/18 season.

    - number of fully contracted players in the match day squad may increase up to a max of four, of which two can be forwards.

    - Participation Criteria will remain in place, including the requirement for a Second XV playing in an appropriate second team competition in their province.

    - Club Support Scheme financial allocations will be aligned to participation criteria to reward clubs who achieve such criteria.

    - The Player Points System will be retained.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Tarf1234


    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Good to see, I always thought the restriction was too late in coming. Probably more appropriate in the early years when more full time pro's played. 4 seems sensible to me. No restrictions on development and academy is essential.

    I'd be interested to see what club benefits from the additional players? I presume it will be clubs with more pro forwards.
    What clubs do you think will benefit?

    Full article: http://www.irishrugby.ie/news/37560.php#.V1GPdU3JAdU
    - existing structure will remain in place until at least the end of the 2017/18 season.

    - number of fully contracted players in the match day squad may increase up to a max of four, of which two can be forwards.

    - Participation Criteria will remain in place, including the requirement for a Second XV playing in an appropriate second team competition in their province.

    - Club Support Scheme financial allocations will be aligned to participation criteria to reward clubs who achieve such criteria.

    - The Player Points System will be retained.

    Genuinely not really sure. Don't see it helping us massively at the moment but that may change. Possibly Con and YM? Presume the Connacht and Ulster club will benefit most due to their guys being less spread out.

    Really don't like PPS. Everything else I'm ok with. League needs to stabilise for a year or too before we go changing it again.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,090 ✭✭✭Tarf1234


    Anyone heard of any transfers?

    I've heard a few for Tarf with Jack Power probably the standout of them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Stainalert


    Tarf1234 wrote: »
    Anyone heard of any transfers?

    I've heard a few for Tarf with Jack Power probably the standout of them.

    Lost Sheep has set up another thread where this is being discussed

    Ulster Bank League 2016-2017 Talk/Gossip/Rumours


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