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  • #302
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Bum padding.
    Freddie jeans have ass lifting/sculpting.
    Squats.
    I KNEW IT!!!!!

    I am an ass man, arse all the way, and I've been noticing for some time that the amount of quality ass on show on the streets has skyrocketed recently so you have confirmed my suspicions.... Arse sculpting/lifting pants are a thing!


  • #303
    thegreatgonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭thegreatgonzo


    Foxtrol wrote: »
    I just don't get how there is such acceptance for the justification that 'I'm doing it for me'.

    .

    Well lets not talk about make up for a minute. What about other choices/preferences that people make that involve some sort of self expression? I have a brother who isn't into fashion at all but if he has to buy a shirt or something he still goes through some sort of decision process whereby he finds something that expresses whatever image of himself he wants to present. We all do this in various ways to feel comfortable, not just with the stuff we put on our bodies.


  • #304
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Pac1Man wrote: »
    Nobody changes anything about their image 'just for themselves' unless it's weight/health related.

    Why is it so hard to admit that we want to appear a certain way when people look at us?

    It's like a man having a midlife crisis getting hair plugs and a flashy car then saying it's for himself. He may believe it but everyone knows it's a crock. The subconscious is very powerful and it can have far more control than people like to admit.


  • #305
    The Backwards Man
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,299 ✭✭✭✭The Backwards Man


    Has anybody asked the flipping question yet?


  • #306
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    DivingDuck wrote: »
    Perhaps because admitting this sees people dragged over the coals for no apparent reason?

    Some women wear makeup for themselves. Some women wear it to impress other women. Some wear it to attract a particular kind of man: the sort of man who either likes women to be made-up or who likes women who prioritise their own opinions about their appearance over his.

    If you're not into make-up, or women who wear make-up, that is your choice. Everyone has preferences, and it's fine. Where it becomes something that people are going to take issue is the point where you start saying "Why do people do that? I don't like it. They should stop."

    A statement with that sentiment sounds massively self-important.

    Bottom line: whoever women are wearing the make-up for, if you don't like it, it's probably not for you. Accept it as one of the many possible things one could find unattractive about a person, and move on with your life.


    What is it designed to do? Lipstick/blush is designed to show ovulation, flushed skin and reder lips. Foundation is to show clear skin, good genes. Highheels are to make your ass stickout. These are to attract male attention by design.

    People seem to be fighting over the extremes. Putting on a bit of lipstick doesn't mean you are looking for attention all the time. The other extereme is that a woman might look nothing like she did the previous night if she completley manipulated her appearance.


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  • #307
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    thegreatgonzo wrote: »
    I have a brother who isn't into fashion at all but if he has to buy a shirt or something he still goes through some sort of decision process whereby he finds something that expresses whatever image of himself he wants to present.

    I agree 100% but that's basically a better worded version of what I said.

    Who does he want to present this image to? It is friends, colleagues, family, the general public etc.

    He has no interest in fashion and yet still cares of how he is viewed. He may want to stand out, he may want to look trendy or simply blend in but his choice is influenced by others.

    I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that!! Almost everyone does it in some shape or form. I definitely do. Like your bro, I have no interest in fashion but I spend a bit of time in a clothes shop with the sole goal of not looking like a knob when I leave! Again, I care about how people perceive me.

    It's an example I keep going back to but if I was the last person on earth out if I lived like a hermit out in the woods I truly would not care how I looked and I doubt anyone here would either.

    'Doing it for myself' is simply not true.


  • #308
    retro:electro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,039 ✭✭✭✭retro:electro


    For me it's a mixture of the two, I do it for myself because it makes me feel better, but I also do it because I like to present my best self to the world, and when someone tells me I look good, it makes me feel good. Equally, if I walked of the house done up to look and feel a million dollars and I didn't see a single person, I wouldn't feel any less fabulous, and I wouldn't feel that my effort has been devalued, because I still would have felt fantastic in myself; but if someone did happen to see me and compliment me, well that's just a cherry on top.
    I also love slumming it out in my comfy clothes with my hair scraped back and no make up on, and I choose to do this at home rather than in the ailes of Tesco because that's where I feel most comfortable. I like to plonk myself in front of the tv and tune out the world and just relax, does this make me insecure? No.
    When I wear make up, it makes my walk a little taller and feel better about myself, same as a nice outfit would for some people; this feeling would manifest in me irrespective of anyone seeing me or complimenting me about my appearance.


  • #309
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    What is it designed to do? Lipstick/blush is designed to show ovulation, flushed skin and reder lips. Foundation is to show clear skin, good genes. Highheels are to make your ass stickout. These are to attract male attention by design.


    I guess no lesbian women need apply then?

    Yeah, we're kinda pretty much past the whole evolutionary biology argument when there are any number of cultural influences in play as to what influences attraction, and then of course there's the fact that makeup nowadays comes in quite a few more textures, shades and colours than just red and so on. The whole "high heels make your ass stick out" thing is a complete red herring as there aren't that many women will wear high heels and still be capable of walking in them, hence they're really not that great for bum sticking out potential. There's plenty more as I suggested earlier can be done with control underwear than anything that's immediately obvious to the naked eye.
    Potatoeman wrote: »
    People seem to be fighting over the extremes. Putting on a bit of lipstick doesn't mean you are looking for attention all the time. The other extereme is that a woman might look nothing like she did the previous night if she completley manipulated her appearance.


    Well who's deceiving who there really? If a guy is telling a woman all night they're gonna rock her world, and they rolled over after a couple of pumps in the missionary, were they equally guilty of manipulation? I doubt there's actually too many people would realistically wake up the next morning and the conversation going something like:

    "You look like a completely different person! The deception!"

    "You didn't rock my world! The deception!"

    That's the stuff Hollywood comedy movies are made of :pac:


  • #310
    thegreatgonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭thegreatgonzo


    Pac1Man wrote: »

    'Doing it for myself' is simply not true.

    But it's also about how you feel in the clothes. You feel like yourself. The image you present is your true self. You may or may not care if the image repels or attracts people, but you are expressing yourself. I think that's what motivates anyone, whether they are putting on lipstick or wearing an If It's Not Blue It Won't Do t-shirt or whatever.


  • #311
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    thegreatgonzo wrote: »
    But it's also about how you feel in the clothes. You feel like yourself. The image you present is your true self. You may or may not care if the image repels or attracts people, but you are expressing yourself. I think that's what motivates anyone, whether they are putting on lipstick or wearing an If It's Not Blue It Won't Do t-shirt or whatever.

    Damn I never considered that...


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  • #312
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    One eyed Jack wrote: »
    I guess no lesbian women need apply then?

    Yeah, we're kinda pretty much past the whole evolutionary biology argument when there are any number of cultural influences in play as to what influences attraction, and then of course there's the fact that makeup nowadays comes in quite a few more textures, shades and colours than just red and so on. The whole "high heels make your ass stick out" thing is a complete red herring as there aren't that many women will wear high heels and still be capable of walking in them, hence they're really not that great for bum sticking out potential. There's plenty more as I suggested earlier can be done with control underwear than anything that's immediately obvious to the naked eye.




    Well who's deceiving who there really? If a guy is telling a woman all night they're gonna rock her world, and they rolled over after a couple of pumps in the missionary, were they equally guilty of manipulation? I doubt there's actually too many people would realistically wake up the next morning and the conversation going something like:

    "You look like a completely different person! The deception!"

    "You didn't rock my world! The deception!"

    That's the stuff Hollywood comedy movies are made of :pac:

    If the guy says that and is a 'two pump chump' then that is a deception too.

    As for lesbians, there have been studies into the higher obesity rates among lesbians couples. Visuals seem less importamt to them.

    Culture does play a part but people still fall inline with traditional expectations/traits.


  • #313
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    thegreatgonzo wrote: »
    But it's also about how you feel in the clothes. You feel like yourself. The image you present is your true self. You may or may not care if the image repels or attracts people, but you are expressing yourself. I think that's what motivates anyone, whether they are putting on lipstick or wearing an If It's Not Blue It Won't Do t-shirt or whatever.

    That depends. Sometime people wear things for a different type of attention.


  • #314
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    Pac1Man wrote: »
    I agree 100% but that's basically a better worded version of what I said.

    Who does he want to present this image to? It is friends, colleagues, family, the general public etc.

    He has no interest in fashion and yet still cares of how he is viewed. He may want to stand out, he may want to look trendy or simply blend in but his choice is influenced by others.

    I'm not saying there is anything wrong with that!! Almost everyone does it in some shape or form. I definitely do. Like your bro, I have no interest in fashion but I spend a bit of time in a clothes shop with the sole goal of not looking like a knob when I leave! Again, I care about how people perceive me.

    It's an example I keep going back to but if I was the last person on earth out if I lived like a hermit out in the woods I truly would not care how I looked and I doubt anyone here would either.

    'Doing it for myself' is simply not true.


    Not true for you. I've already posted one instance where I had an intimate wax done, while my leg was in a plaster cast, while I was single. Nobody was going to see. I was in a cast for 6 weeks. I wasn't flashing anyone or prepared for if I was having impromptu sex. I did it for me because that makes me feel better.
    Similarly I've lived in a house full of men, and spent pretty much all my days at home in my pjs with not a scrap of makeup on me and my hair sitting on top
    Of my head like a birds nest. I believe life is too short to wear flat shoes, so I get dressed up at every opportunity, even going to tesco. Who's going to be looking at me as I saunter up and down through aisles looking at hamster food for a hamster I don't even have, and having a good look at the incontinance products because they look new and I've never seen them before.

    I'm extremely selfish, pretty much everything I do is for my own benefit and I make myself happy before I make anyone else happy. That's just how it is.


  • #315
    Pac1Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,407 ✭✭✭Pac1Man


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Not true for you. I've already posted one instance where I had an intimate wax done, while my leg was in a plaster cast, while I was single. Nobody was going to see. I was in a cast for 6 weeks. I wasn't flashing anyone or prepared for if I was having impromptu sex. I did it for me because that makes me feel better.
    Similarly I've lived in a house full of men, and spent pretty much all my days at home in my pjs with not a scrap of makeup on me and my hair sitting on top
    Of my head like a birds nest. I believe life is too short to wear flat shoes, so I get dressed up at every opportunity, even going to tesco. Who's going to be looking at me as I saunter up and down through aisles looking at hamster food for a hamster I don't even have, and having a good look at the incontinance products because they look new and I've never seen them before.

    I'm extremely selfish, pretty much everything I do is for my own benefit and I make myself happy before I make anyone else happy. That's just how it is.


    Hey back off bro, I conceded. :D (a few posts back)
    Pac1Man wrote: »
    Damn I never considered that...


  • #316
    thegreatgonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭thegreatgonzo


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    That depends. Sometime people wear things for a different type of attention.

    That is true definately. I always remember bring a teenager in the gaeltacht one summer and how the cliques formed on the basis of clothing. Pearl jam/metallica t-shirt people gravitated together while X-worx jeans people went off and barely spoke to anyone outside their group.


  • #317
    thegreatgonzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,623 ✭✭✭thegreatgonzo


    LexieOnRale wrote: »

    I'm extremely selfish, pretty much everything I do is for my own benefit and I make myself happy before I make anyone else happy. That's just how it is.

    Better not get that hamster so :pac:


  • #318
    OldNotWIse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,468 ✭✭✭✭OldNotWIse


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    What is it designed to do? Lipstick/blush is designed to show ovulation, flushed skin and reder lips. Foundation is to show clear skin, good genes. Highheels are to make your ass stickout. These are to attract male attention by design.

    People seem to be fighting over the extremes. Putting on a bit of lipstick doesn't mean you are looking for attention all the time. The other extereme is that a woman might look nothing like she did the previous night if she completley manipulated her appearance.

    I agree with this to a point actually.

    I definitely make the most of my appearance for myself, so that I can feel better and more confident, and not necessarily to attract attention, but I accept that perhaps the reason makeup and heels makes me feel more confident is because we are brought up with both subliminal and loud messages that this is what society expects of us?

    And I also agree that all of these things have their (original) basis is showing fertility. That's not to say a woman putting on makeup on the way to work wants the guys in the office to see her in this way, but I think makeup and more general "beauty" concepts have their basis in highlighting fertility etc. There's an element of programming there for sure. Of course that doesn't mean those are the reasons women do these things now, but originally maybe that was the thinking behind these messages that we are bombarded with.


  • #319
    Potatoeman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,087 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    Not true for you. I've already posted one instance where I had an intimate wax done, while my leg was in a plaster cast, while I was single. Nobody was going to see. I was in a cast for 6 weeks. I wasn't flashing anyone or prepared for if I was having impromptu sex. I did it for me because that makes me feel better.
    Similarly I've lived in a house full of men, and spent pretty much all my days at home in my pjs with not a scrap of makeup on me and my hair sitting on top
    Of my head like a birds nest. I believe life is too short to wear flat shoes, so I get dressed up at every opportunity, even going to tesco. Who's going to be looking at me as I saunter up and down through aisles looking at hamster food for a hamster I don't even have, and having a good look at the incontinance products because they look new and I've never seen them before.

    I'm extremely selfish, pretty much everything I do is for my own benefit and I make myself happy before I make anyone else happy. That's just how it is.

    Do you know why it makes you feel better? Do you not think there might be a subconcious reason for it?


  • #320
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,439 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Potatoeman wrote: »
    If the guy says that and is a 'two pump chump' then that is a deception too.


    If that's the standard by which you define "deception", we'd all still be virgins :pac:

    Potatoeman wrote: »
    As for lesbians, there have been studies into the higher obesity rates among lesbians couples. Visuals seem less importamt to them.


    I don't need a bullshít detector for that either tbh.

    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Culture does play a part but people still fall inline with traditional expectations/traits.


    And what exactly is culture, if it's not traditional expectations/traits?


  • #321
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    Potatoeman wrote: »
    Do you know why it makes you feel better? Do you not think there might be a subconcious reason for it?

    Because I find applying makeup, blending, contouring, strobing, highlighting, etc relaxing. It's like one of those adult colouring books but for my face.
    I like buying clothes I'm excited to wear. I ADORE shoes and would eat beans on toast for a month if it meant I could buy a pair of designer shoes.
    I have a pair of Christian louboutins that I love so much I would never dare wear them outside for fear of damaging the sole of them.

    I love high heels. I love standing tall. I love having good posture. I love being able to walk confidently in a beautiful pair of shoes. I have amazing teeth and love wearing shades of lipsticks that make them look even better. I have almond eyes and my eyebrows are defined to a T for my face. (I have a face compass thing I use that measures the exact shape brow I need for my bone structure using the 1.618 ratio.

    Do you think a man looks at my face and can appreciate the precision of a good brow shape using the golden ratio? No.
    It's all for me


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  • #322
    jigglypuffstuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭jigglypuffstuff


    Look how much fuss one opinion can generate :)


  • #323
    makingmecrazy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 357 ✭✭makingmecrazy


    Just reading through the last few posts there. I just must be a person who genuinely could not care less what anyone thinks about me.
    Not a single care given, whether I go out san makeup or have a full face on.
    And that people are still trying to force the issue that women must be doing it for attention and/or approval, despite being told that's not always the case, is just odd. :)


  • #324
    jigglypuffstuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭jigglypuffstuff


    LexieOnRale wrote: »
    I ADORE shoes and would eat beans on toast for a month if it meant I could buy a pair of designer shoes.

    So you'd leave yourself lacking nutrition in favour of shoes??

    That's extremely worrying


  • #325
    makingmecrazy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 357 ✭✭makingmecrazy


    pone2012 wrote: »
    So you'd leave yourself lacking nutrition in favour of shoes??

    That's extremely worrying

    Worrying for who?
    Why would you worry about her nutrition?
    She's an adult.


  • #326
    jigglypuffstuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭jigglypuffstuff


    makingmecrazy wrote: »
    Just reading through the last few posts there. I just must be a person who genuinely could not care less what anyone thinks about me.
    Not a single care given, whether I go out san makeup or have a full face on.
    And that people are still trying to force the issue that women must be doing it for attention and/or approval, despite being told that's not always the case, is just odd. :)

    Right, because 20 odd pages of arguing the point doesn't suggest you care at all :'D


  • #327
    jigglypuffstuff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,236 ✭✭✭jigglypuffstuff


    makingmecrazy wrote: »
    Worrying for who?
    Why would you worry about her nutrition?
    She's an adult.

    I don't worry for her at all

    The concept of an adult putting a pair of shoes before their health is worrying for society in general

    And a sad reflection of where people's priorities lie


  • #328
    Tandey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Tandey


    Do people actually think every single woman puts on her fake tan, make up and what not exclusively for her own happiness and pleasure as Lexie does for example?


  • #329
    makingmecrazy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 357 ✭✭makingmecrazy


    pone2012 wrote: »
    Right, because 20 odd pages of arguing the point doesn't suggest you care at all :'D

    Its called a discussion forum for a reason :confused:


  • #330
    qo2cj1dsne8y4k
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    pone2012 wrote: »
    So you'd leave yourself lacking nutrition in favour of shoes??

    That's extremely worrying


    Yep, it is worrying. Almost as worrying as getting your knickers in a twist over women wearing a bit of lipstick to deceive you. I'm not one thing judge but paranoia can do weird things to a man


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  • #331
    makingmecrazy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 357 ✭✭makingmecrazy


    pone2012 wrote: »
    I don't worry for her at all

    The concept of an adult putting a pair of shoes before their health is worrying for society in general

    And a sad reflection of where people's priorities lie

    You still are not getting it.
    As an adult, yours nor societies approval is neither wanted nor required by a grown woman any more. Here in the West, anyway :)


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