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Waffletraktor wrote: »So, just shy off 1000 acres on a FBT. Se corner of Lincolnshire just off edge of the fens, might have a 'slight'
Bg problem which the family trust knows about and would like new tenant to deal with. Although the previous one was beaten back. Who's interested? Mutt and barker want to have their superior management input also!
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/commercial-property-for-sale/property-54075937.html
Shir us dairy boys wouldn't know what to do with ourselves with all the spare time we'd have if we switched to running a tillage operation
Would a livestock operation be needed close by to help deal with Bg if you would be putting grass into rotation. Any large feed lots or dairys close by?0 -
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Between the 6 weeks skiing and shooting for rest of the year I'm sure you could adopt the gentleman farmer imageMilked out wrote: »Shir us dairy boys wouldn't know what to do with ourselves with all the spare time we'd have if we switched to running a tillage operation
Would a livestock operation be needed close by to help deal with Bg if you would be putting grass into rotation. Any large feed lots or dairys close by?
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It's no silver bullet but grass and Spring cropping will hit the seed bank in the soil for sure. The issue is making it pay on a tenancy, most the big wig contractors if they don't rent it are on a set fee and profit share. So I charge 120£/acre and get 20% of profits eg. But they run their equipment at max stated unit out put making money on their first charge and anything left over is a bonus. The land owner will hire on of dawgs shooting buddies(land agent) to maximise their land income, for say a set charge/5%. Now land agents are like pikies a decent one is like winning lottery 5 times in a row.... They take money/pay-offs in shooting days for their mates from some farmers who use a child's toy calculator to make their maths say what they want them too. I've mr contract farmer above. Now all the contractors banks won't let them farm as they were and **** is hitting the fan. Land agents have dismissed the better farms for not meeting the farmers weekly model of 1000 acres per man/ 5ton in a bad year super hero farmer because their only on farm experience was as a student sweeping yards or grain carting 10 years ago. Now all their customers land is borderline unable to grow wheat for the next 10 years, they are soon out of a job but they don't care, always some London money citiot about to buy another place for them to "look after".
Now a farm like us who has taken the severe pain needed and hopefully starting to come out the other side are contacted, opening negotiations are they want a rent larger share to offset reduced earning and crop write-offs. Our position is you pay us 200£ acre and we'll sort drainage/fences start to rectify the Bg problem and maybe after 5-10 years we'll be on road to recovery. You can guess Ho that one goes with most but not all!!!.
Stock farms are nearly hens teeth around here, few mixed farms and specialist sheep/beef but almost 0 dairy. That may change as farms accept they're loosing their battle with Bg. We lease ground on the home block that's heavy and the worst Bg prone soils to a grazier who has a lot of stock on tenanted farmland as he didn't have the good fortune of owning land to start but has slowly bought his farm he grew up on from a 3generation tenancy. If we went else where we'd go full beans ourselves but it's suits to just set it with us fencing over winter straw-muck swaps etc.
For reference, at a conservative estimate Bg costs 50£ across the farm due to excess herbicides and loss of yield still today and we're slowly getting on top of our issues at a lot of pain in the recent few years. The land for FBT will probably go for 100/acre to rent which is 60 too much with owner keeping bps.What kind of land? Clay over mudstone or maybe loam over calcerous limestone ?
Would it be freedraining and easily worked in a dry spring?
Lots of Q's....:)
Limestone brash mainly, with pockets of heavy clay. Well drained bar the heavy patches, that stuff will be nasty as full of Ca.0 -
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Waffletraktor wrote: »Between the 6 weeks skiing and shooting for rest of the year I'm sure you could adopt the gentleman farmer image.
It's no silver bullet but grass and Spring cropping will hit the seed bank in the soil for sure. The issue is making it pay on a tenancy, most the big wig contractors if they don't rent it are on a set fee and profit share. So I charge 120£/acre and get 20% of profits eg. But they run their equipment at max stated unit out put making money on their first charge and anything left over is a bonus. The land owner will hire on of dawgs shooting buddies(land agent) to maximise their land income, for say a set charge/5%. Now land agents are like pikies a decent one is like winning lottery 5 times in a row.... They take money/pay-offs in shooting days for their mates from some farmers who use a child's toy calculator to make their maths say what they want them too. I've mr contract farmer above. Now all the contractors banks won't let them farm as they were and **** is hitting the fan. Land agents have dismissed the better farms for not meeting the farmers weekly model of 1000 acres per man/ 5ton in a bad year super hero farmer because their only on farm experience was as a student sweeping yards or grain carting 10 years ago. Now all their customers land is borderline unable to grow wheat for the next 10 years, they are soon out of a job but they don't care, always some London money citiot about to buy another place for them to "look after".
Now a farm like us who has taken the severe pain needed and hopefully starting to come out the other side are contacted, opening negotiations are they want a rent larger share to offset reduced earning and crop write-offs. Our position is you pay us 200£ acre and we'll sort drainage/fences start to rectify the Bg problem and maybe after 5-10 years we'll be on road to recovery. You can guess Ho that one goes with most but not all!!!.
Stock farms are nearly hens teeth around here, few mixed farms and specialist sheep/beef but almost 0 dairy. That may change as farms accept they're loosing their battle with Bg. We lease ground on the home block that's heavy and the worst Bg prone soils to a grazier who has a lot of stock on tenanted farmland as he didn't have the good fortune of owning land to start but has slowly bought his farm he grew up on from a 3generation tenancy. If we went else where we'd go full beans ourselves but it's suits to just set it with us fencing over winter straw-muck swaps etc.
For reference, at a conservative estimate Bg costs 50£ across the farm due to excess herbicides and loss of yield still today and we're slowly getting on top of our issues at a lot of pain in the recent few years. The land for FBT will probably go for 100/acre to rent which is 60 too much with owner keeping bps.
Limestone brash mainly, with pockets of heavy clay. Well drained bar the heavy patches, that stuff will be nasty as full of Ca.
Looks like the industry is beginning to eat it's young Waffle.
There must be an opening/opportunity for someone with fresh thinking along with a good dose of cahones...or is it a little early in the downside to jump in?
Keep us posted. Interesting....0 -
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