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Waffletraktor

Dawggone wrote: »

Vet or medical supplies will have the magnets. Bolus gun will do or a 3/4" water pipe with a 1/2" pipe as a plunger iykwim.

Calves are making good money as French calves aren't making export because of Bluetongue.

Is Bluetongue bad this year? The guy here is worried/vaccinating

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

Calves are making good money as French calves aren't making export because of Bluetongue.

Did I not say that about the French calves before with bluetongue and you said it was because of the recession.
Anyway...still doesn't stop the virus spreading.

Dawggone

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Is Bluetongue bad this year? The guy here is worried/vaccinating

Most of France is locked down bar the northern counties along by the channel.
Too early for widespread contagion because the weather has been cool up to now so biting insects aren't about. Won't be long now as temps are kicking on...

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Did I not say that about the French calves before with bluetongue and you said it was because of the recession.
Anyway...still doesn't stop the virus spreading.

What recession?
Bluetongue wasn't a problem until 5weeks ago.

Waffletraktor

Dawggone wrote: »

Most of France is locked down bar the northern counties along by the channel.
Too early for widespread contagion because the weather has been cool up to now so biting insects aren't about. Won't be long now as temps are kicking on...

One of his stock guys tried to give the combine heads a lesson, something about vaccine having a 3 months lead in time and for 'reasons' this year it's expected in south/central uk if get a hot summer. Limited vaccine supply only to those that went early as would need defra money to push large batches

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

What recession?
Bluetongue wasn't a problem until 5weeks ago.

In France people eating less beef?
No money?
I ain't going looking for your post as you've too many and it would take me all night to find it.
It was the time when base price was saying about a collapse in calf prices in Spain and bluetongue was starting in France.

Dawggone

Waffletraktor wrote: »

One of his stock guys tried to give the combine heads a lesson, something about vaccine having a 3 months lead in time and for 'reasons' this year it's expected in south/central uk if get a hot summer. Limited vaccine supply only to those that went early as would need defra money to push large batches

If any kind of a decent summer comes, which can be reasonably expected after a long wet winter, then it would be highly likely that south and central UK would be infected. I had a case last year but didn't report it to avoid the hassle.
I presume there would be plentiful supplies of vaccine in France...??

Dawggone

pedigree 6 wrote: »

In France people eating less beef?
No money?
I ain't going looking for your post as you've too many and it would take me all night to find it.
It was the time when base price was saying about a collapse in calf prices in Spain and bluetongue was starting in France.

Yep bang on. Beef consumption has been dropping for over a decade and the beef herd has been rising...
Milk is now into overproduction.
Last years cereals harvest was the biggest ever on the planet...

pedigree 6

Dawggone wrote: »

Yep bang on. Beef consumption has been dropping for over a decade and the beef herd has been rising...
Milk is now into overproduction.
Last years cereals harvest was the biggest ever on the planet...

We're kinda getting our wires crossed I was quoting you.
But I agree with all that.
I do think that cereals could make a comeback at the end of the year.
The rice harvest looks like it could be back this year with prices going up and that usually leads to wheat going up too. It's all maybe's though.

Here's my post from February.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=98724104

Buford T. Justice XIX

I had a suckler calf very bad here this morning with scour. He missed his second dose of Halocur and was missing for 24 hours before he showed up again. Just had the vet out to drip him and she brought some Parofor as well. E140 for a 1kg sachet and can do 40 calves and remains viable for 6 months after opening.

I think I'll be changing to that next year for the calves.

Timmaay

After the calves got coccidiosis last yr I thought I'd be smart and dose them at turnout this year. They all bloody got it again bad over the last few days. Was dosing them again today, only when I looked at the bottle I realised I'd misread the dose amount 1st time, only gave them 10ml instead of 35/40. Uggghhh. Under pressure this week anyways, haven't got out fertiliser in a field of rented silage ground, so called up the contractor to do it. 1st time I have used him for fertiliser, could well use him alot more often in future, esp for silage ground, only an extra job I don't need and can't do myself nearly as accurately or quick as him!

whelan2

Timmaay wrote: »

After the calves got coccidiosis last yr I thought I'd be smart and dose them at turnout this year. They all bloody got it again bad over the last few days. Was dosing them again today, only when I looked at the bottle I realised I'd misread the dose amount 1st time, only gave them 10ml instead of 35/40. Uggghhh. Under pressure this week anyways, haven't got out fertiliser in a field of rented silage ground, so called up the contractor to do it. 1st time I have used him for fertiliser, could well use him alot more often in future, esp for silage ground, only an extra job I don't need and can't do myself nearly as accurately or quick as him!

what do you use for coccidiosis?

fepper

I have a yearling with the f%%kin coccidiosis ,must be in the air

whelan2

I have a skinny fr heifer born in October, have been mollycoddling her and let her out to a paddock yesterday, she has spent the whole time bawling at the gate , ya cant win. Had another calf I got injections off vet for her a few times in the last few weeks, you can hear her blowing across the yard. Got vet out today and he gave her 4 different injections and steroids for a week also.

Milked out

Had 13 culls lined up for sale to feedlot, got vet out to scan a few just to make sure they weren't in calf as I had no sign of them in heat last season but to be sure. 2 of the fcukers in calf and the ones with the worst legs then. Looks like I'll have a suckler herd for a bit of the summer anyway

briangriffin

whelan2 wrote: »

what do you use for coccidiosis?

Vecoxan 45ml the day they go to pasture serious problem here the past 2 years at turnout

whelan2

briangriffin wrote: »

Vecoxan 45ml the day they go to pasture serious problem here the past 2 years at turnout

vecoxan is a 2 dose dose. Use bovicox here 12 ml for calves, 1 dose . Seems a much better product than vecoxan

Milked out

Buford u whore, was it you asked for the drop of rain???? You might get the man above to.turn it off again I'll be feckin back fencing tomorrow at this rate by the looks of things

Milked out

Bovicox is the better job alright. A good bit dearer tho I think

alps

Milked out wrote: »

Buford u whore, was it you asked for the drop of rain???? You might get the man above to.turn it off again I'll be feckin back fencing tomorrow at this rate by the looks of things

Get onto Healy Rea....he'll put out the child of Prague. ..

stagg88

Lookin a stock bull and have one in mind still goin up in numbers so goin friesan root. Goin puttin him with heifers first. Have a few concerns and wondering what's any ones else's opinion

Ebi is 335
Milk. 108
Fertility 184
Calving 37
Maintenance 18
Management 6
Health -4
Beef -15

Is health a big deal also it's only 15 months old would that b a big issue.hoping to get him in with heifers first to tidy up and move him in to cows in 3 weeks. Any one any views ?

mahoney_j

stagg88 wrote: »

Lookin a stock bull and have one in mind still goin up in numbers so goin friesan root. Goin puttin him with heifers first. Have a few concerns and wondering what's any ones else's opinion

Ebi is 335
Milk. 108
Fertility 184
Calving 37
Maintenance 18
Management 6
Health -4
Beef -15

Is health a big deal also it's only 15 months old would that b a big issue.hoping to get him in with heifers first to tidy up and move him in to cows in 3 weeks. Any one any views ?

U forgot some important figures milk kg and kg and % butterfat and protein .health at -4 wouldnt massively concern me

stagg88

Milk 297kg fat 17.9kg protein 17.52 kg fat 0.12 % pro 0.14%

Timmaay

Milked out wrote: »

Buford u whore, was it you asked for the drop of rain???? You might get the man above to.turn it off again I'll be feckin back fencing tomorrow at this rate by the looks of things

Badly needed here lol. But typical jsut after I ordered a bloody pallet of can.

Timmaay

Stagg exceptional protein kg figures. However if he's only 15months old I'd be slow about lobbing him in with cows in 3weeks time, he just won't be tall enough and will be knackered from leaping up the whole time ha. I got a 20month old HE here for the heifers, I had one tall leggy HO bullying yday who I don't want a replacement off, let him in with her, he kept falling on his arse ha. I moved her on to the mature stock AA bull then, assuming she holds to this service it will be interesting to see what calf pops out next Feb.

kowtow

Can someone give me the bullet points to painless AI?

Going to try and get all 16 in calf without any bull this year, starting asap. All except 4 maidens calved between 20 Feb and 12 April... 2 hard calvings with twins but all fairly fit and most cycling
.. though sometimes difficult to spot in small group. All run together. Didn't get round to tail painting yet.

Also have a handful to skull which should probably do first.

Should I get vet to handle all? Synchronise any / all? ... heifers and cows?

Quite relaxed about calving dates but better get on with it. Planning to top up with some in calf maidens if it goes more slowly than planned .

Worth calling the AI man and taking his advice before starting?

tanko

I'd forget about the skulling until October anyway if I was you.

kowtow

tanko wrote:

I'd forget about the skulling until October anyway if I was you.

Was thinking that but isn't there a risk to the calf?

tanko

kowtow wrote: »

Was thinking that but isn't there a risk to the calf?

I wouldn't think so once they're well restrained, far less risk than opening up a hole in their head during the summer i'd say.
Getting the animals checked out pre breeding might be money well spent.

freedominacup

kowtow wrote: »

Can someone give me the bullet points to painless AI?

Going to try and get all 16 in calf without any bull this year, starting asap. All except 4 maidens calved between 20 Feb and 12 April... 2 hard calvings with twins but all fairly fit and most cycling
.. though sometimes difficult to spot in small group. All run together. Didn't get round to tail painting yet.

Also have a handful to skull which should probably do first.

Should I get vet to handle all? Synchronise any / all? ... heifers and cows?

Quite relaxed about calving dates but better get on with it. Planning to top up with some in calf maidens if it goes more slowly than planned .

Worth calling the AI man and taking his advice before starting?

Tail paint asap. Water based emulsion will do fine. Get a long arm corner paint roller and you can do them from the pit. Once a day is enough for AI man to call. Serve anything seen in the previous 24hrs.