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Origin of Irish accents

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  • #62
    the evasion_kid
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    The real North Co Dublin accent is great.

    And as for rural Wexford, well that often sounds like a soft North Dublin accent to me anyway, and slightly Ulster too. Maybe it's the Yola influence I dunno.

    My folks have pure north co. Accents,still use a lot of old fingallian words and sayings


  • #63
    Wibbs
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Doesn't matter anymore, tons of kids have an American twang now anyway.

    It completely amazes me sometimes, until I remember what they watch and listen to all the time.

    Is that only Dublin kids/teenagers though, as that is where I live, and I wouldn't know about the rest of ya.
    Seems to be throughout the country. More obvious in younger women. They tend to be early adopters of trends, including language and accents and especially if they reflect social status.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #64
    gourcuff28
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    The D4 accent does not sound American at all, they might just American inspired lingo with an Irish twist but the accent could not sound anything less like a Californian accent that you always hear people saying it imitates. I do notice some goth/emo types to seem to have some sort of American hint to their accent though.


  • #65
    gourcuff28
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    The D4 accent does not sound American at all, they might just American inspired lingo with an Irish twist but the accent could not sound anything less like a Californian accent that you always hear people saying it imitates. I do notice some goth/emo types to seem to have some sort of American hint to their accent though.

    Its actually weirder we don't sound more American considering how much we consume their media.


  • #66
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    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    My folks have pure north co. Accents,still use a lot of old fingallian words and sayings

    I'm living out here 6 years having moved from D9 and I have the north county drawl now myself!

    My boys have that faux American/D4 accent as they spend too much spare time watching YouTube videos...

    One of them asked me about"Aloominum" the other day and that was the final straw...


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  • #67
    fatknacker
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    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    My folks have pure north co. Accents,still use a lot of old fingallian words and sayings

    What sort of fingallian words and sayings would they use?


  • #68
    Eugene Norman
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    gourcuff28 wrote: »
    The D4 accent does not sound American at all, they might just American inspired lingo with an Irish twist but the accent could not sound anything less like a Californian accent that you always hear people saying it imitates. I do notice some goth/emo types to seem to have some sort of American hint to their accent though.

    I don't think so either. It adopts some American idioms. We all probably do.


  • #69
    The Pheasant2
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    Here we go again, the bi monthly circle jerk about the awful "D4" accent that is applied everyone in Dublin south of the Liffey regardless of post code.

    It sounds American apparently? At the start of this thread people were saying it sounded English. Which is it?

    This "D4" accent is something I think people like to imagine a lot worse than it ever actually is - gives them an excuse to have a pop at people they're prejudiced against


  • #70
    donegaLroad
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    Hiberno‐English, or Irish English refers to the set of English dialects natively written and spoken in Ireland.


    terms and phrases


  • #71
    Coffee Fulled Runner
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    In Sligo we have people with really strong western accent that you get all over connacht that pronounce s sh. Then we people with that mid atlantic accent which is very similar to D4. We also have a townie accent which would be stronger in working class areas. Then people with a really bland accent that could be from anywhere in Ireland.


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  • #72
    Wibbs
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    Eugene Norman wrote: »
    I don't think so either. It adopts some American idioms. We all probably do.
    It's not an identifiable American accent alright, more a mid atlantic "american" twang, with added nasal. Though as was pointed out earlier given how much of their media we're exposed to it shouldn't come as a surprise.

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  • #73
    armaghlad
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    In Armagh there is a huge contrast in accents.

    In the north of the county the accent will sound quite heavily influenced by Belfast, but there is also a much softer rural accent that you'll hear both in towns and villages. You can often tell which is which when the Belfast one is (here mate!) And the rural one (here bai!). The Belfast one would also be a bit more high pitched

    As you go West and South towards Armagh City the accent sounds more rural and similar to east Tyrone.

    Further south into south Armagh and you'll get variations of Monaghan and Dundalk and to the south east of the county Newry.

    The contrast is quite substantial but to someone from say Kerry or Mayo, they probably all sound the same!


  • #74
    gourcuff28
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    I have a sort of D4 accent, with a hint of inner city, what happens when your dad is from ballybough but you grew up in Killiney. It is a pretty ****ty accent in fairness


  • #75
    Hector Mildew
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    markomuscle wrote: »
    The Irish and Scots in Ulster always have been largely segregated so it's strange that they ended up with the same accent, I would have had a mostly Scottish accent if I was born a few miles away, a few relatives actually do. we use words such as Aye which is Scottish, this is actually common in northern England as well.

    It is likely that the Scottish accent was influenced by the Irish (Ulster) settlement of Western Scotland during the 5th century.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scoti


  • #76
    The Pheasant2
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    gourcuff28 wrote: »
    I have a sort of D4 accent, with a hint of inner city, what happens when your dad is from ballybough but you grew up in Killiney. It is a pretty ****ty accent in fairness

    None of these places are in D4 = you don't have a D4 accent


  • #77
    HalloweenJack
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    From Bray so have a mish-mash of Dublin and Wicklow but much more Dublin. Only recently noticed that I've a softer version of the working class Dublin accent. People from other parts of the country think I have a Dublin accent but I can definitely hear a difference from recordings of how I speak and how working class Dubs speak. My one is a bit softer.


  • #78
    love humanity
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    I'm guessing the Dublin and Wicklow accents have a Scandinavian (Viking) influence.


  • #79
    the evasion_kid
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    fatknacker wrote: »
    What sort of fingallian words and sayings would they use?

    Words like dawney,as in a dawney(weak,sick) looking crater(pronounced craytur)

    Go-boy is another one,used to describe a Messer,hoodlum,no good type individual

    Foopah is another I hear them using when they make a mess of something

    I've a very old book here somewhere in the house about a local smuggler,it amazes me that I still hear some of the words\slang in it being used today.more so by the older folk


  • #80
    The Pheasant2
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    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    Foopah is another I hear them using when they make a mess of something

    Faux pas?


  • #81
    the evasion_kid
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    The Pheasant2 wrote: »
    Faux pas?

    Yep


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  • #82
    Spanish Eyes
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    Fascinating thread. The Fingallian word "Dawney" was used by my Granny in the same context but she was born in Ship Street Dublin. Her father's family were from the area around Lusk though they moved into the city eventually.


  • #83
    the evasion_kid
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Fascinating thread. The Fingallian word "Dawney" was used by my Granny in the same context but she was born in Ship Street Dublin. Her father's family were from the area around Lusk though they moved into the city eventually.

    My father's from lusk,I was fishing with him and his brother yesterday when we had to climb through a ditch,one thing I noticed is they call briars or thorns "dalks"


  • #84
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    the evasion_kid wrote: »
    My father's from lusk,I was fishing with him and his brother yesterday when we had to climb through a ditch,one thing I noticed is they call briars or thorns "dalks"

    My missus is from Balbriggan and says the same thing, ha ha


  • #85
    the evasion_kid
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    Fieldog wrote: »
    My missus is from Balbriggan and says the same thing, ha ha

    "Our Lad" ;)


  • #86
    bodhrandude
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    Yeah the North of Ireland is pretty near to the Scottish accent, just check the accents in Armagh, they just sound like Glaswegians. Its the same with Cork and Kerry I can hear a Welsh influence with the accent there and I suppose there was trading with Wales and Ireland too so that could be added into the context.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #87
    havetoquit
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    Anyone have any thoughts on President Higgins's intonation? Personally, I love listening to him speak, but that's just me folks. If I wanted to hear prose or poetry read to me, then he would be my choice, but am sure there are many more who are equally articulate.


  • #88
    topper75
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    CruelCoin wrote: »
    I would dearly love to know how dubliners developed sounds like:

    JA-CIN-TA
    COOOOOM
    EEN
    FER
    YAR
    TAAAAAAAY

    This is vastly different to what you hear 50 miles down the road. Never seen this in other countries.

    Oh its there alright.

    Try Limerick.

    County and city can be very different indeed. I have heard of cases of mutual unintelligibility
    And by county I mean just 5 or 10 miles out. I'm talking about older generation rather than present though.


  • #89
    Eugene Norman
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    havetoquit wrote: »
    Anyone have any thoughts on President Higgins's intonation? Personally, I love listening to him speak, but that's just me folks. If I wanted to hear prose or poetry read to me, then he would be my choice, but am sure there are many more who are equally articulate.

    Camp, Co Galway.


  • #90
    topper75
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    love humanity wrote: »
    I'm guessing the Dublin and Wicklow accents have a Scandinavian (Viking) influence.

    Would be interesting.

    Seriously doubt that though. You are talking 1000 years or more.

    Not to mention hundreds of years before English arrived here in any shape or form.

    Some hangover words maybe but not accent.


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  • #91
    armaghlad
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    bodhrandude wrote: »
    Yeah the North of Ireland is pretty near to the Scottish accent, just check the accents in Armagh, they just sound like Glaswegians.
    No they don't! Unless you mean in County Antrim! Which even still are a roadbowl mile off the Glasgow accent. From about Larne northwards along the coast you'll get a Scottish influenced accent. Nothing like Glasgow though.


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