Origin of Irish accents

markomuscle

Even without the ulster plantations would northerners still have ended up with an accent similar to Scottish due to how close they are?

How did the southern accents form?

1000 years ago did someone from Munster still have that distinctive accent when speaking irish?

Snakeblood

markomuscle wrote: »

Even without the ulster plantations would northerners still have ended up with an accent similar to Scottish due to how close they are?

How did the southern accents form?

1000 years ago did someone from Munster still have that distinctive accent when speaking irish?

I got mine from Wanderley Wagon.

Too Tough To Die

Every Irish accent originated on a halting site somewhere.

dd972

There's decent stuff on Wikipedia on the subject, most qualities of the Irish accent stem from the Irish language, in phrases like 'I'm after going to the shops etc'

The North Antrim coast is virtually Scottish, listen to the Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers and you'll pick this up. There's also an Irish twang on the Isle of Man and of course the Irish influenced speech patterns in Liverpool and the North East of the United States.

Over the water,If you go to Berwick, which is on the English side of the England-Scots borders there's English folk with Scots accents, likewise in Corby down in Northants where the second and third generation Scots still sound Scottish.

Sea Sharp

The Dublin accent has an English influence.

That wacky boggery accent is well suited to the Irish language.

What's more interesting is the American accent, a combination of Irish, English French & German accents.
I think there's a resemblance between the Yorkshire accent in UK and the hillbilly accent in the US.

markomuscle

dd972 wrote: »

There's decent stuff on Wikipedia on the subject, most qualities of the Irish accent stem from the Irish language, in phrases like 'I'm after going to the shops etc'

The North Antrim coast is virtually Scottish, listen to the Liverpool manager Brendan Rodgers and you'll pick this up. There's also an Irish twang on the Isle of Man and of course the Irish influenced speech patterns in Liverpool and the North East of the United States.

Over the water,If you go to Berwick, which is on the English side of the England-Scots borders there's English folk with Scots accents, likewise in Corby down in Northants where the second and third generation Scots still sound Scottish.

The Irish and Scots in Ulster always have been largely segregated so it's strange that they ended up with the same accent, I would have had a mostly Scottish accent if I was born a few miles away, a few relatives actually do. we use words such as Aye which is Scottish, this is actually common in northern England as well.

Riddle101

markomuscle wrote: »

The Irish and Scots in Ulster always have been largely segregated so it's strange that they ended up with the same accent, I would have had a mostly Scottish accent if I was born a few miles away, a few relatives actually do. we use words such as Aye which is Scottish, this is actually common in northern England as well.

I say Aye as well. Never really thought of it much, just say it when i'm confirming something.

Friend: You coming over for some cans later?
Me: Aye

or

Friend: Will I bring a few cans over?
Me: Aye

In recent years, I started saying "Oh" as well. It's more of an Italian-American expression I think, and I think I got it from The Sopranos. But whenever someone does something that surprises me or I don't have a response to give to someone I say Oh

Friend: You're a jackass
Me: Oh!

Or

Friend: I just heard this new song
Me: Oh?
Friend: It's really good

Ruudi_Mentari

The deepest, darkest recesses of a midlands bog

uch

markomuscle wrote: »

Even without the ulster plantations would northerners still have ended up with an accent similar to Scottish due to how close they are?

How did the southern accents form?

1000 years ago did someone from Munster still have that distinctive accent when speaking irish?

They'd still sound like big Mulldoons

The Backwards Man

I cannae help tha way I spake.

Duggys Housemate

Sea Sharp wrote: »

The Dublin accent has an English influence.

That wacky boggery accent is well suited to the Irish language.

What's more interesting is the American accent, a combination of Irish, English French & German accents.
I think there's a resemblance between the Yorkshire accent in UK and the hillbilly accent in the US.

Outside of D4 there is no discernible English accent in Dublin.

markomuscle

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I cannae help tha way I spake.

oul willie drennan the boyo has a quare tongue on him

Donnielighto

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Outside of D4 there is no discernible English accent in Dublin.

Really, what about blackrock?

BOHtox

I find people's perceptions of accents interesting as well. I think I have quite a neutral accent. I could go 500m up the road and hear really strong Dublin accents and you go 500m the other way and you'll hear some of the poshest accents and I sound nothing like them. However if I go abroad I stand out like a sore thumb! People are always like "Ah you're from Dublin" which surprises me as I don't think I've a Dublin twang. I talk to some people at work or whatever and they tell me I've a really posh accent but to me we'd speak very similarly.
Is it people's backgrounds that make you perceive accents the way you do or has it more to do with your own accent or is it something completely different?

It's interesting too when you hear yourself on a recording and you think "Jaysus do I really speak like that?". For such a small island we really have so many accents!

markomuscle

BOHtox wrote: »

I find people's perceptions of accents interesting as well. I think I have quite a neutral accent. I could go 500m up the road and hear really strong Dublin accents and you go 500m the other way and you'll hear some of the poshest accents and I sound nothing like them. However if I go abroad I stand out like a sore thumb! People are always like "Ah you're from Dublin" which surprises me as I don't think I've a Dublin twang. I talk to some people at work or whatever and they tell me I've a really posh accent but to me we'd speak very similarly.
Is it people's backgrounds that make you perceive accents the way you do or has it more to do with your own accent or is it something completely different?

It's interesting too when you hear yourself on a recording and you think "Jaysus do I really speak like that?". For such a small island we really have so many accents!

most southern accents sound the same to me, I couldn't spot the difference from a Sligo accent to a Waterford accent

uch

BOHtox wrote: »

I find people's perceptions of accents interesting as well. I think I have quite a neutral accent. I could go 500m up the road and hear really strong Dublin accents and you go 500m the other way and you'll hear some of the poshest accents and I sound nothing like them. However if I go abroad I stand out like a sore thumb! People are always like "Ah you're from Dublin" which surprises me as I don't think I've a Dublin twang. I talk to some people at work or whatever and they tell me I've a really posh accent but to me we'd speak very similarly.
Is it people's backgrounds that make you perceive accents the way you do or has it more to do with your own accent or is it something completely different?

It's interesting too when you hear yourself on a recording and you think "Jaysus do I really speak like that?". For such a small island we really have so many accents!

I'm not reading all that, but yes, you said Jaysus, so must be from................ Bray

Duggys Housemate

Donnielighto wrote: »

Really, what about blackrock?

The people in black rock sound like .... Dubliners.

markomuscle

Ruudi_Mentari wrote: »

The deepest, darkest recesses of a midlands bog

maybe the cloneycavan man was the culprit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clonycavan_Man

Boofle

I am from the midlands but I worked in the UK for quite a few years in the west midlands and I now have quite a distinctive accent and most people automatically think i am from Dublin, not Athlone ha ha :-D

BOHtox

uch wrote: »

I'm not reading all that, but yes, you said Jaysus, so must be from................ Bray

A suburb in South Dublin. 20 minute drive to Bray

Boofle

BOHtox wrote: »

I find people's perceptions of accents interesting as well. I think I have quite a neutral accent. I could go 500m up the road and hear really strong Dublin accents and you go 500m the other way and you'll hear some of the poshest accents and I sound nothing like them. However if I go abroad I stand out like a sore thumb! People are always like "Ah you're from Dublin" which surprises me as I don't think I've a Dublin twang. I talk to some people at work or whatever and they tell me I've a really posh accent but to me we'd speak very similarly.
Is it people's backgrounds that make you perceive accents the way you do or has it more to do with your own accent or is it something completely different?

It's interesting too when you hear yourself on a recording and you think "Jaysus do I really speak like that?". For such a small island we really have so many accents!

Yeah we really do have so many accents for a small island! I am from the midlands but worked for a few years in the west midlands in the UK and i am always told i have a very unusual sexy accent! Certainly not an athlone accent which is what i should have lol ;-)

Boofle

BOHtox wrote: »

I find people's perceptions of accents interesting as well. I think I have quite a neutral accent. I could go 500m up the road and hear really strong Dublin accents and you go 500m the other way and you'll hear some of the poshest accents and I sound nothing like them. However if I go abroad I stand out like a sore thumb! People are always like "Ah you're from Dublin" which surprises me as I don't think I've a Dublin twang. I talk to some people at work or whatever and they tell me I've a really posh accent but to me we'd speak very similarly.
Is it people's backgrounds that make you perceive accents the way you do or has it more to do with your own accent or is it something completely different?

It's interesting too when you hear yourself on a recording and you think "Jaysus do I really speak like that?". For such a small island we really have so many accents!

Yeah we really do have so many accents for a small island! I am from the midlands but worked for a few years in the west midlands in the UK and i am always told that i have the sexiest accent ever . . . . Certainly not an Athlone accent lol ;-)

DebDynamite

Boofle wrote: »

I am from the midlands but I worked in the UK for quite a few years in the west midlands and I now have quite a distinctive accent and most people automatically think i am from Dublin, not Athlone ha ha :-D

Boofle wrote: »

Yeah we really do have so many accents for a small island! I am from the midlands but worked for a few years in the west midlands in the UK and i am always told i have a very unusual sexy accent! Certainly not an athlone accent which is what i should have lol ;-)

Boofle wrote: »

Yeah we really do have so many accents for a small island! I am from the midlands but worked for a few years in the west midlands in the UK and i am always told that i have the sexiest accent ever . . . . Certainly not an Athlone accent lol ;-)

Wow, you must really love your accent

jay-me

Nickelodeon has a lot to answer for loike roysh!!

Caribbean Cat

Too Tough To Die wrote: »

Every Irish accent originated on a halting site somewhere.

I don't think that is true

Promac

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

The people in black rock sound like .... Dubliners.

Only in so much as they have 1 of the various different dublin accents.

People from Blackrock sound completley different to people from Crumlin or Ballyfermot. People from the south city centre sound different again.

Dublin is a classic example of people from different financial backgrounds speaking completely different accents.

CruelCoin

I would dearly love to know how dubliners developed sounds like:

JA-CIN-TA
COOOOOM
EEN
FER
YAR
TAAAAAAAY

This is vastly different to what you hear 50 miles down the road. Never seen this in other countries.

Madam

My parents(both from Donegal)he was from the North East(Raphoe) she from just a few miles down the road(just outside Letterkenny) but their accents were completly different - he more NI(Ulster Scots in some of his chat) she with a softer accent.

Talib Fiasco

The Kerry accent was traded for a mule back in 1746.

Ruudi_Mentari

If you absolutely had to choose between Richard sadlier and Ronnie whelan, who would you choose to suffer. I can provide you with both

Reindeer

Sea Sharp wrote: »

The Dublin accent has an English influence.

That wacky boggery accent is well suited to the Irish language.

What's more interesting is the American accent, a combination of Irish, English French & German accents.
I think there's a resemblance between the Yorkshire accent in UK and the hillbilly accent in the US.

Don't forget a heavy Scandinavian influence in some places:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ux_5CcleM

markomuscle

Madam wrote: »

My parents(both from Donegal)he was from the North East(Raphoe) she from just a few miles down the road(just outside Letterkenny) but their accents were completly different - he more NI(Ulster Scots in some of his chat) she with a softer accent.

I always think the letterkenny accent sounds like NI as well, i couldnt tell the difference between a north county derry accent and some donegal accents,

dd972

As far as the English influence in Dublin is concerned, there is an accent which is as close to English as possible while still being an Irish accent, it's different to the generic D4 / SoCoDu accents and it's usually spoken by pin striped Barristers with double chins, Shane Ross or UK public school educated folk who reside in castle's in Kildare or Meath to paint a picture of it's speakers.

WanabeOlympian

Sometimes when I hear the north side dublin accent, if I block out the words and just zone in on the sound/rhythm/intonation...it reminds me a bit of vikings/scandinavians.

Madam

markomuscle wrote: »

I always think the letterkenny accent sounds like NI as well, i couldnt tell the difference between a north county derry accent and some donegal accents,

There's not a lot of difference in some ways but you honestly couldn't tell the difference between Daniel O'Donnell's accent and Frank McBrearty? Derry wans would have a softer but fast way of talking much like someone from Muff would speak;)

Sea Sharp

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Outside of D4 there is no discernible English accent in Dublin.

Well then the Dublin accent (outside D4) is the culchie accent and the English accent's mongrel child.

1000 years ago did someone from Munster still have that distinctive accent when speaking irish?

Probably not. accents like language, change over time.

johnr1

TheComeUp wrote: »

The Kerry accent was traded for a mule back in 1746.

Which one of the four or five versions do you mean?



Kerry accents that is,- not mules.....

pagete2

I find the Dundalk accent very tough to understand! I love the Donegal accent, it's very soft and lilting! hate hate hate the D4 accent, it's completely made up, no one over 50 sounds like that!

COYW

I used to live in Cork and found the strong Cork accent extremely difficult to understand, even after living there.

bb1234567

I live in Rathgar and I have an american accent ffs

bb1234567

WanabeOlympian wrote: »

Sometimes when I hear the north side dublin accent, if I block out the words and just zone in on the sound/rhythm/intonation...it reminds me a bit of vikings/scandinavians.

I always mistake the north dublin accent, for a french accent when Im not listening to the words properly. Im not good at telling accents apart, as you can tell.

pragmatic1

markomuscle wrote: »

The Irish and Scots in Ulster always have been largely segregated so it's strange that they ended up with the same accent, I would have had a mostly Scottish accent if I was born a few miles away, a few relatives actually do. we use words such as Aye which is Scottish, this is actually common in northern England as well.

It comes from the Ulster dialect of gaelic. Its very similar to the gaelic that's spoken in parts of Scotland. What's weird is when these gaelic speaking Scots speak English, a lot of them sound strangely similar to people from west Donegal.

pragmatic1

markomuscle wrote: »

I always think the letterkenny accent sounds like NI as well, i couldnt tell the difference between a north county derry accent and some donegal accents,

Letterkenny and Derry accents are practically identical.

goose2005

The reason for the nasal Dublin accent is that for decades north Dubliners breathed smog all day, blocking up their sinuses. Same goes for nasal accents in Liverpool and many other industrial cities. With cleaner air the nasality recedes.

Madam

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Letterkenny and Derry accents are practically identical.

In your world maybe:rolleyes:

Similar but different:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6frdzIQc_Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rqsixnzurc

markomuscle

Madam wrote: »

In your world maybe:rolleyes:

Similar but different:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6frdzIQc_Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Rqsixnzurc

that's derry city though, that letterkenny accent is very similar to the accents further down derry county, I can't think of any famous people to give an example though, maybe joe brolly though he's quite posh

RikkFlair

What's really cool is how the Irish accent heavily influenced the Jamaican accent.

WesternZulu

RikkFlair wrote: »

What's really cool is how the Irish accent heavily influenced the Jamaican accent.

There was a documentary on rte player from the 70's where they went to some island in the carribean and they sounded like they were from Cork!

I forget the connection but there was definitely a very strong Cork tone to their accent...they could have definitely passed for langers!

Bigus

I was up in glencar in the isolated Kerry uplands and I couldn't believe how similar the local accent is To the mayo/Sligo typical "wesht" accent.
not like the usual Kerry lilt, overly done for the tourists

Precious flower

WesternZulu wrote: »

There was a documentary on rte player from the 70's where they went to some island in the carribean and they sounded like they were from Cork!

I forget the connection but there was definitely a very strong Cork tone to their accent...they could have definitely passed for langers!

Think this is what you're thinking of?:)

dodderangler

Precious flower wrote: »

Think this is what you're thinking of?:)

Boll0x you got there before me