Is rural broadband a real issue?

Dirty Dingus McGee · 15-05-2016 09:17PM

NiallBoo wrote: »

You mean farm dwellings or the farms?
I know this might sound odd...but farmers shouldn't live on their farms. If you take the standard family farm with spouse and kids, you'd have a lot less travel if the farmer travelled to work and family was near school/services etc. instead of the other way round. You'd also have all of the advantages of living near others.

Farms themselves, if needed (I imagine something like a video feed for calving season would be handy) can be serviced more practically with satellite broadband.

Farming isn't a 9-5 job it's a way of life so farmers need to live where there farms are.I doubt there are many (or any at all) farmers where their land isn't attached to the house they live in

Gonzo · 15-05-2016 09:25PM

smash wrote: »

Back up there gonzo... You can get 4G across most of the country now. A 4G dongle is perfectly capable of providing a very good internet connection. It might not be UPC 300mb but you can even stream Netflix HD on 4G

and the problem with 3G/4G any wireless mobile technology is the restrictive download allowance. You wouldn't be long getting through the monthly allowance after steaming one season of a tv show in HD.

Fiber broadband is the only solution that works. 4G can offer great speeds but you couldn't happily use it whenever you want. Download one game off Steam and you'd get through your monthly allowance in 1 go.

NiallBoo · 15-05-2016 09:27PM

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Farming isn't a 9-5 job it's a way of life so farmers need to live where there farms are.I doubt there are many (or any at all) farmers where their land isn't attached to the house they live in

Yes, that is how it is. I was suggesting it would be better done differently.

The current attitude is "I have to be beside the farm, and sure feck it, the wife and kids will take care of themselves".

I have met very few farmers about whom I couldn't say:

They have terrible time management
They would benefit from getting away from the farm more and having a bit more leisure time.

I think those two things listed above have a lot to do with each other.

That's before you even get started on rural isolation.

NiallBoo · 15-05-2016 09:31PM

Gonzo wrote: »

and the problem with 3G/4G any wireless mobile technology is the restrictive download allowance. You wouldn't be long getting through the monthly allowance after steaming one season of a tv show in HD.

Fiber broadband is the only solution that works. 4G can offer great speeds but you couldn't happily use it whenever you want. Download one game off Steam and you'd get through your monthly allowance in 1 go.

You can get unlimited 4g for €20 per month...I know I do.

The real benefit of wireless broadband is it's much cheaper/easier to
upgrade.

Capt'n Midnight · 15-05-2016 09:46PM

NiallBoo wrote: »

You can get unlimited 4g for €20 per month...I know I do.

"fair usage" applies, and that's only if you get good reception and that sector of the mast isn't oversubscribed

end of the road · 15-05-2016 10:00PM

NiallBoo wrote: »

That's your decision, but you should expect to pay for it...

he does pay for it, and pay enough he does also.

NiallBoo wrote: »

I'm sure if people were prepared to pay the actual cost of supplying the line then it wouldn't be a problem...no?

not his job to pay for the full cost of the service unless we all do.

NiallBoo wrote: »

You don't have a right to get everything just the way you want it, there has to be a compromise somewhere.

hence we have a tax system.

NiallBoo wrote: »

Motorway to your front door too? If you think about it, the pothole strewn road outside you house costs more per user than a motorway. The same works for broadband.

incorrect, that is made up nonsense to get away with not providing the service or to screw people.

NiallBoo wrote: »

You're not being ignored and the phone company has nothing against you, it just costs a hell of a lot of money that you're not prepared to pay.

he is paying, it's called the standard charge for a service, not his job to pay any more. not his job to be screwed when others aren't.

NiallBoo wrote: »

You mean farm dwellings or the farms?
I know this might sound odd...but farmers shouldn't live on their farms. If you take the standard family farm with spouse and kids, you'd have a lot less travel if the farmer travelled to work and family was near school/services etc. instead of the other way round. You'd also have all of the advantages of living near others.

maybe he doesn't want to live near others. it's better to live on the farm as you can keep an eye on it.

The Backwards Man · 15-05-2016 10:01PM

Three have a 250GB plan now.

Handy for me, I was watching the football in HD taking me tae in the bog this afternoon.

jackofalltrades · 15-05-2016 10:03PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Cost of doing that was about 2 billion.

Do you know how many premises that 2 billion covers?

Alistair Fast Quarterfinal wrote: »

People should not have to live in cities or towns to expect good services such as high speed broadband. Again you are obvious a biased townie. Not everyone wants to be living in a tight space with neighbours all around and all the noise etc that goes with it. Also farms need high speed broadband nowadays so running the fibres to farms means getting all those imbetween also. These people all pay taxes too and are entitled to be provided with the same service as anyone in a town or city.

So you think it's perfectly fine to live in a rural location, but get the benefits of living in an urban environment?
What about urban dwellers, are you willing to pay increased taxes to support them in having the advantages of living in a rural environment?
Will you pay more for increased Garda numbers so urban people can have lower crime rates like rural dwellers?
Would you be happy to pay more in taxes so urban dwellers could have better air quality?

Also rural dwellers can have high speed broadband as it is, through a satellite connection.

purplecow1977 · 15-05-2016 10:05PM

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

All this jazz about rural broadband and no one seems to be complaining of lack of phone coverage. How much speed do ye want, gone of the days of a 5 speed box its 6 speed now and 7 if it were available.
Can this be explained, is it for porn or major Facebook/twitter machine updates it is needed?

Have you ever visited a rural location?

Then at least you could make an informed comment.

end of the road · 15-05-2016 10:07PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

So you think it's perfectly fine to live in a rural location, but get the benefits of living in an urban environment?

oh absolutely, they pay tax for such so are entitled to it.

jackofalltrades wrote: »

What about urban dwellers, are you willing to pay increased taxes to support them in having the advantages of living in a rural environment?
Will you pay more for increased Garda numbers so urban people can have lower crime rates like rural dwellers?
Would you be happy to pay more in taxes so urban dwellers could have better air quality?

that is all ready happening

The Backwards Man · 15-05-2016 10:07PM

Us country folk have no qualms at all about taking city folk for all we can get.

We're well worth it and the sooner ye all realise that the sooner the world will be a much happy and harmonious place.

galah · 15-05-2016 10:18PM

Bwaha, use 4G if you can't get fibre.

Funny. We live about 15 minutes outside Galway, and we don't have mobile phone coverage. At all. For an edge signal, i have to walk up to the 'main road'. We do have a phone line though, and amazing broadband speeds of around 4 MB. On a good day. Despite paying as much as anyone who gets the full max speed. :rolleyes:

But sure...one day, eir will bring fibre. So they keep telling us.

jackofalltrades · 15-05-2016 10:21PM

end of the road wrote: »

oh absolutely, they pay tax for such so are entitled to it.

Urban dwellers pay tax too, are they entitled to have their way of life subsidised?

that is all ready happening

No it's not.
Subsidisation only works from urban areas to rural areas in this country.

end of the road · 15-05-2016 10:40PM

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Urban dwellers pay tax too, are they entitled to have their way of life subsidised?

we are all subsidized to a degree. the whole economy is a money go round.

jackofalltrades wrote: »

No it's not.

yes it is

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Subsidisation only works from urban areas to rural areas in this country.

wrong, no it doesn't. the economy and tax system is a money go round, so it works both ways.

screamer · 15-05-2016 10:51PM

And here we go round in circles again.... every single topic on rural services turns into a them and us urban rural divide with the city slickers indignant at propping up the country dwellers........ if we ever got round to a grown up debate on these topics it might be wothwhile. Right now I'm sick of the urban dwellers bashing the rural dwellers.........

jackofalltrades · 15-05-2016 10:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

we are all subsidized to a degree. the whole economy is a money go round.

LOL, comeback to me when you actually answer the question.
And no, the above non sequitur response doesn't qualify.

15-05-2016 10:56PM

screamer wrote: »

And here we go round in circles again.... every single topic on rural services turns into a them and us urban rural divide with the city slickers indignant at propping up the country dwellers........ if we ever got round to a grown up debate on these topics it might be wothwhile. Right now I'm sick of the urban dwellers bashing the rural dwellers.........

What's your suggestion as to how we can provide rural Ireland with good broadband services? Genuine question here.

Venom · 15-05-2016 11:33PM

Karsini wrote: »

What's your suggestion as to how we can provide rural Ireland with good broadband services? Genuine question here.

I don't believe it can be done. The sheer cost of the required infrastructure and the ability of landowners to block any development, will see its next to impossible to do.

The Sidewards Man · 15-05-2016 11:37PM

Karsini wrote: »

What's your suggestion as to how we can provide rural Ireland with good broadband services? Genuine question here.

What do you want in terms of speed etc fibre that jazz, if you live in the country side you cant have your cake and eat it. Do you want me to try for planning for a macdonalds and drive through cinema as well?

15-05-2016 11:38PM

Venom wrote: »

I don't believe it can be done. The sheer cost of the required infrastructure and the ability of landowners to block any development, will see its next to impossible to do.

I'm inclined to think that myself and I was only thinking about the cost of rolling out fibre, since it's the only cabled method I can think of that would work for this purpose. I never considered objections from landowners but that's bound to happen.

Water John · 15-05-2016 11:39PM

ESB line have wayleave to every house in the country already.
Surely poles can take a third wire/line?

15-05-2016 11:41PM

Water John wrote: »

ESB line have wayleave to every house in the country already.
Surely poles can take a third wire/line?

Would that wayleave extend to installation of new cabinets to house the fibre repeaters? It's not just a case of running fibre alone.

The Sidewards Man · 15-05-2016 11:42PM

Water John wrote: »

ESB line have wayleave to every house in the country already.
Surely poles can take a third wire/line?

No it cant, if you haven't realised there are phone lines already going to every house that cannot do the job, how will a third wire on the esb network provide broadband?

KERSPLAT! · 15-05-2016 11:46PM

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

No it cant, if you haven't realised there are phone lines already going to every house that cannot do the job, how will a third wire on the esb network provide broadband?

Fibre cables run on existing ESB cables or on existing phone lines.

This is already happening in some places I was told a few weeks ago but as Kars pointed out, it isn't just a case of running cables everywhere and I would assume the costs of FTTH everywhere would be astronomical

Water John · 15-05-2016 11:47PM

The telephone lines going to houses are cheap, poor copper, a reason they have not been good.
Landowners are generally quite cooperative, believe it or not.
ESB poles look a better option. Well maintained.

PARlance · 15-05-2016 11:48PM

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

No it cant, if you haven't realised there are phone lines already going to every house that cannot do the job, how will a third wire on the esb network provide broadband?

http://siro.ie/more-about-siro/esb-and-vodafone/

Venom · 15-05-2016 11:49PM

Karsini wrote: »

I'm inclined to think that myself and I was only thinking about the cost of rolling out fibre, since it's the only cabled method I can think of that would work for this purpose. I never considered objections from landowners but that's bound to happen.

Flood defences were allowed to be blocked by environmental groups and those are life saving projects. Damm sure some cute'hore would try and blackmail an ISP for some outrageous amounts for access across or under their land.

The Sidewards Man · 15-05-2016 11:50PM

PARlance wrote: »

http://siro.ie/more-about-siro/esb-and-vodafone/

Alleluia we have a link, a link proves everything. How valid is that link?

Water John · 15-05-2016 11:54PM

Environ groups and Inland Fisheries really are not good examples.

ESB have a lot of experience of interacting with farmers, especially.
They regularly have to enter land to do repairs, maintainance and upgrade.
There is an understanding by farmers of the mutual benefit.
Anyone not cooperating with ESB on a common good principle would be viewed very poorly by their kin.

OP once again throws in a mischevious comment and promptly goes offline!!

KERSPLAT! · 15-05-2016 11:55PM

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Alleluia we have a link, a link proves everything. How valid is that link?

What are you ****ting on about. You said how will a third line help, now you've been told and you've been told it's already happening. Pure wind up thread in poor disguise

Is rural broadband a real issue?

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