Illicit Drugs - Awareness

ohnonotgmail · 13-05-2016 03:53PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

I'm not talking about the green stuff being mixed with heroine, but it has been known to be mixed with stuff, PCP A.K.A angel dust amongst others.

PCP? why the hell would a dealer be importing something that there is no call for?

KenjiOdo wrote: »

My whole point of posting was street drugs are NOT safe unless you grow your own..

I don't partake in any substance abuse, but don't want others falling into this trap either! Hence I feel we need a real debate on the issue at Government level!

Street drugs are not safe?? No way dude, thats crazy talk.

Amalgam · 13-05-2016 03:54PM

The rather ace YouTube channel Kurzgesagt posted an interesting clip on addiction a while back..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg

The change to weed has to be a plus, there used to be dodgy bulking agents mixed in with resin. Shredded plastic, sand etc.

KenjiOdo · 13-05-2016 03:55PM

Swanner wrote: »

Not strictly true.

But anyway, back to this hashish laced with heroin :rolleyes:

So increased aggression/depression anything else associated with Alcohol is graaaand then??

KenjiOdo · 13-05-2016 03:56PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

PCP? why the hell would a dealer be importing something that there is no call for?

Street drugs are not safe?? No way dude, thats crazy talk.

Like the sarcasm!

Rubberchikken · 13-05-2016 03:56PM

no. the reason why is that the clue is in the word 'illegal'. i may have many faults, but stupidity isn't one of them. just my opinion.

ohnonotgmail · 13-05-2016 03:57PM

jonnycivic wrote: »

Actually it does happen, I lost a friend to something like this happening a few years back. My friend smoked "gear" and when he told me I spent months helping him get off the stuff.... He was 6 months clean (from gear, he smoked hash/weed but only the odd time). He went out to celebrate getting his life back on track when he was handed a bag of "weed", he had a smoke and fell asleep never to wake up again as his heart literally exploded because it was contaminated with heroin, a dealer wanted him back on the stuff so they pulled this stunt.

Fibreglass used to be put in weed years ago to pad it out weigh wise.
Plastic has often been found inside lumps of hash, again added to add more wieght so they make more money.

are you sure he wasnt just back on the gear? Its common enough for somebody to overdose if they relapse after being clean for a while because they dont have the same tolerance they had before.

ScumLord · 13-05-2016 03:57PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

I'm not talking about the green stuff being mixed with heroine, but it has been known to be mixed with stuff, PCP A.K.A angel dust amongst others.

My whole point of posting was street drugs are NOT safe unless you grow your own..

Why would heroin become safe if you grow it at home? I don't know that cannabis has been mixed with stuff like PCP. I'd want some confirmation that any cannabis found with other drugs wasn't just because the person they arrested with the cannabis hadn't got a wrap of PCP in his pocket as well.

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Mix heroine into a block of hashish you'll have a customer who can't quit smoking cannabis. Further info is Heroine is not that expensive at point of origin, or where the Hash is processed.

Hashish (which is extremely rare these days) is processed on the side of a mountain, the process is usually extremely straightforward and ancient. Unlike with more modern drugs like heroin and cocaine which require scientific processing. There are rumours that the really expensive hashish in Amsterdam has heroin mixed through it. This stuff would be €40 a gram. But that's also a myth. Cannabis conasuers don't want contaminated cannabis.

The bottom line remains, why would any stage of the drug network increase their costs for no gain? It makes even less sense to do it at a point of origin because they have the least to gain from doing it.

Dr Crayfish · 13-05-2016 04:01PM

Is this thread for real? Did Nancy Reagan post this from her grave?

KenjiOdo · 13-05-2016 04:02PM

ScumLord wrote: »

Why would heroin become safe if you grow it at home? I don't know that cannabis has been mixed with stuff like PCP. I'd want some confirmation that any cannabis found with other drugs wasn't just because the person they arrested with the cannabis hadn't got a wrap of PCP in his pocket as well.

Hashish (which is extremely rare these days) is processed on the side of a mountain, the process is usually extremely straightforward and ancient. Unlike with more modern drugs like heroin and cocaine which require scientific processing. There are rumours that the really expensive hashish in Amsterdam has heroin mixed through it. This stuff would be €40 a gram. But that's also a myth. Cannabis conasuers don't want contaminated cannabis.

The bottom line remains, why would any stage of the drug network increase their costs for no gain? It makes even less sense to do it at a point of origin because they have the least to gain from doing it.

Didn't a batch of Heroine in the US -- New York/east coast region kill a load of people as it was contaminated? Pretty sure it was a couple months before that actor died Philip Seymour Hoffman.

KenjiOdo · 13-05-2016 04:02PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Is this thread for real? Did Nancy Reagan post this from her grave?

She did indeed kind sir, would you like to talk with her ??

You'll need to take some of these to communicate *opens coat*

KenjiOdo · 13-05-2016 04:07PM

Just like to add, ecstasy has been know to be switched with roofies that movie was not far from truth!

ScumLord · 13-05-2016 04:10PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Didn't a batch of Heroine in the US -- New York/east coast region kill a load of people as it was contaminated? Pretty sure it was a couple months before that actor died Philip Seymour Hoffman.

that happens, it's because these are unregulated drugs. Regulation while unpalatable would save lives. It would also make it easier for people to get help. I think heroin use could be virtually wiped out with proper drug regulation.

Ignatius in bloom · 13-05-2016 04:12PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Have you ever bought illegal substances for consumption?

Have you ever sold or supplied illegal substances to others?

If you have ever taken/bought/sold illicit drugs were you fully aware of the content of said drugs?

*NB please to not reply to these questions, merely ponderous questions. Don't want you to incriminate yourself!

The real reason I ask these questions is sometimes dealers/suppliers lace drugs with other drugs. You think "oh yeah, €20 bag of weed, lets get stoned!"--Harmless right! But in reality, it can be laced with all sorts of nasty stuff..

I've even heard of heroine being put into cannabis.. This stuff ruins lives!

In light of this should it not be time to legalese the growing of cannabis (gateway drug) or open legit cafés/shops?

http://www.talktofrank.com -- Drug info site.

Sorry for the rant but with all the media coverage over the last 5 years of same sex marriage / abortion etc.. shouldn't we be doing something about our drug culture??

What the friggin hell are you smokin?

weldoninhio · 13-05-2016 04:13PM

Even for After Hours this is one of the most ridiculous threads ever. The OP obviously has a very sheltered life if he believes every scare story he's ever read hahahahaha

ohnonotgmail · 13-05-2016 04:15PM

Ignatius in bloom · 13-05-2016 04:16PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Just like to add, ecstasy has been know to be switched with roofies that movie was not far from truth!

The same can be said for any food item sold in any shop. Anything can be contaminated by unscrupulous people/companies/corporations etc it doesn't mean as a whole its bad for you. Some drugs are very addictive and cause serious harm a bit like a cigarette. Talking of which a government controlled substance that happens to be mixed with literally thousands of things that they do not have to list on each packet.

Kimbot · 13-05-2016 04:18PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are you sure he wasnt just back on the gear? Its common enough for somebody to overdose if they relapse after being clean for a while because they dont have the same tolerance they had before.

Yes I am 100% sure as they found the bag of "weed" on him and had him and the bag tested.

ScumLord · 13-05-2016 04:19PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Even for After Hours this is one of the most ridiculous threads ever. The OP obviously has a very sheltered life if he believes every scare story he's ever read hahahahaha

The problem is this is the information most people have. It's been built up over decades. When I think back to the action films I watched in the 80s the bad guys were always on some new drug that turned them into mindless thugs.

The current situation we're living in was created in the 60s to combat a social movement. Those people use that drug so lets villainize their drug to make them seem like bad people. It's also based on centuries of religious stigma. It's really only in the last 10 years we've started to have a more practical discussion of drugs that's based on science rather than fear and prejudice.

Drugs are not safe. But the risks can be reduced to the point occasional recreational use would be safe for the majority of people. The dangers of drugs are clearly made worse by prohibition though.

We need to accept that humans like drugs. And rather than fight that force of nature we need to accept it and find ways to reduce the risks.

KenjiOdo · 13-05-2016 04:21PM

ScumLord wrote: »

.. cocaine which require scientific processing. to make [sic].

Not true...

On the river banks of the Amazonian river makeshift labs make Cocaine from cocoa leaves,cement, (either petrol or diesel can't remember) hardly high tech labs stuff.

Saw it on documentary on Netflix..

Dr Crayfish · 13-05-2016 04:26PM

ScumLord wrote: »

We need to accept that humans like drugs. And rather than fight that force of nature we need to accept it and find ways to reduce the risks.

I don't think any government would ever get in power in this country that had relaxed views on drugs

ScumLord · 13-05-2016 04:29PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Not true...

On the river banks of the Amazonian river makeshift labs make Cocaine from cocoa leaves,cement, (either petrol or diesel can't remember) hardly high tech labs stuff.

Saw it on documentary on Netflix..

It's a make shift lab. It may not be high tech but they're using methods that people came up with in labs. They know how to achieve the chemical reactions and how to get to an end result. Real old school Afgan hash is processed using techniques passed down from generation to generation and are typically just about removing plant material through drying and sifting. Modern western hash is made using special sieves and ice water. There's no chemistry involved. Heroin is a modern invention bassically. Cannabis has probably been used by people since before civilization came about.

stoplooklisten · 13-05-2016 04:30PM

No Garda I have not, and if I see any junkies taking a hit of marajuana I will call the highest authority in the land immediately.

derfderf · 13-05-2016 04:31PM

Ok so, you spike the hashish with the heroine to get them addicted.
Customers come back a second time. Results are different. And less moreish.
You've easily spent more on heroine than you've made on hashish. Is the plan now "Sorry, that was heroine........want more?"

stoplooklisten · 13-05-2016 04:32PM

derfderf wrote: »

Ok so, you spike the hashish with the heroine to get them addicted.
Customers come back a second time. Results are different. And less moreish.
You've easily spent more on heroine than you've made on hashish. Is the plan now "Sorry, that was heroine........want more?"

spike their drink with the rohippnaul :pac:

FizzleSticks · 13-05-2016 04:46PM

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KenjiOdo · 13-05-2016 04:50PM

derfderf wrote: »

Ok so, you spike the hashish with the heroine to get them addicted.
Customers come back a second time. Results are different. And less moreish.
You've easily spent more on heroine than you've made on hashish. Is the plan now "Sorry, that was heroine........want more?"

Different origins yield different highs.. you know like from different species of the genus "Purple Haze" vs "Super Skunk" etc.. so little questioning asked..

readytosnap · 13-05-2016 05:09PM

KenjiOdo wrote: »

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cannabis (gateway drug)

can you clarify this please, a gateway to where? I've worked all my life and I've smoked cannabis for the last 37 years, other than alcohol and any prescription I ever got from the doc over the years, I have never tried any other illegal drug. Never had the desire too, nor will I ever, so this gateway talk is pure BS.
Sounds like something from the court pages, your honour, my client is sorry for robbing the oul granny at knife-point, he is a heroin / crack/ whatever addict for many years, he started off smoking cannabis when he was 12 etc, etc.
Marijuana in any form does not make people into junkies, people make their own decisions (usually the wrong one) to take other drugs, claiming they need a better high that the hash just doesn't give them any more, that is the individuals choice. It irritates me when people say it is a gateway drug implying that if you smoke hash you will end up on other drugs, it's simply not true, I am living proof.
The reason people, junkies and other drug users say it is a gateway drug is that it is usually the first type of illegal drug they would take as it is cheap and freely available everywhere.But moving onto other drugs is a personal choice the hash / weed didn't force people to look for stronger drugs.
Now that's what I call a rant.

Vinculus · 13-05-2016 05:13PM

Is that you Simon Harris?
Are you trying to get your homework finished so you can go out and play in the garden before it gets dark?

Arghus · 13-05-2016 05:24PM

The cannabis being a gateway drug argument is ridiculous. It's not the cannabis itself that encourages people to get into harder drugs - it's the environment or peer group that they're in.

I used to smoke weed by the bushel and I'd say 20% of the people I know still toke it up almost daily, and I'd - conservatively - estimate that 60% to 70% of my peers have smoked it at least once in their lives. And how many of them are strung out on smack or shoving coke up their noses every chance they get: zero.

ScumLord · 13-05-2016 05:29PM

Cannabis as a gateway drug is another myth based on flawed logic. While it's true the first illegal drug many people try is cannabis, there are plenty of people that try other illegal drugs first. It just depends on social circle, in the 90s plenty of people started out on ecstasy. But people often over look the fact that either nicotine and alcohol is actually the first foray into the world of drugs. It's been found that nicotine use actually changes brain chemistry to make people more likely to become addicted to other drugs in the future. So really the fully legal drug nicotine, acts more like a gateway drug than any of the illegal drugs.

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