Illicit Drugs - Awareness

KenjiOdo

Have you ever bought illegal substances for consumption?

Have you ever sold or supplied illegal substances to others?

If you have ever taken/bought/sold illicit drugs were you fully aware of the content of said drugs?

*NB please to not reply to these questions, merely ponderous questions. Don't want you to incriminate yourself!

The real reason I ask these questions is sometimes dealers/suppliers lace drugs with other drugs. You think "oh yeah, €20 bag of weed, lets get stoned!"--Harmless right! But in reality, it can be laced with all sorts of nasty stuff..

I've even heard of heroine being put into cannabis.. This stuff ruins lives!

In light of this should it not be time to legalese the growing of cannabis (gateway drug) or open legit cafés/shops?

http://www.talktofrank.com -- Drug info site.



Sorry for the rant but with all the media coverage over the last 5 years of same sex marriage / abortion etc.. shouldn't we be doing something about our drug culture??

eamonnq

If you call that a rant, you must be smoking plenty of it.

LightsStillOn

If a dealer is lacing weed with other "nasty" things he won't have much of a customer base. Stupid scare tactic that is spewed out.

KenjiOdo

eamonnq wrote: »

If you call that a rant, you must be smoking plenty of it.

Well what would you call it ??

ScumLord

This is usually a myth. People will buy crap cannabis as easily as they'll buy good cannabis. So why would a drug dealer spend money adding in other drugs? It's a pointless waste of money that gains them nothing.

What does happen is dealer's mix inert substances through drugs like cocaine because it's easy, it bulks up what they have and increases profit for very little cost. That's why drug dealers add other substances to drugs, to increase profit. What your suggesting would just make a more expensive drug that would have to be sold at the same price. Less profit.

Whatsisname

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Have you ever bought illegal substances for consumption?

Have you ever sold or supplied illegal substances to others?

If you have ever taken/bought/sold illicit drugs were you fully aware of the content of said drugs?

*NB please to not reply to these questions, merely ponderous questions.

The real reason I ask these questions is sometimes dealers/suppliers lace drugs with other drugs. You think "oh yeah, €20 bag of weed, lets get stoned!"--Harmless right! But in reality, it can be laced with all sorts of nasty stuff..

I've even heard of heroine being put into cannabis.. This stuff ruins lives!

In light of this should it not be time to legalese the growing of cannabis (gateway drug) or open legit cafés/shops?

http://www.talktofrank.com -- Drug info site.



Sorry for the rant but with all the media coverage over the last 5 years of same sex marriage / abortion etc.. shouldn't we be doing something about our drug culture??

Makes no sense to lace weed with anything when whatever you could potentially lace it with is more expensive than the weed itself.

But yes, lack of drug education in Ireland is shocking (really showed when the media hadn't a clue what to report after the 25i-NBOMe incident in Cork). I don't think you're ever going to stop people from taking MDMA, ket, coke etc, but you can make it safer. Test kits should be wildly available and encouraged to use.

Speedwell

When I lived in the US, I had a close friend who helped run a LEGAL medical marijuana shop out in San Francisco. She supplied clean, decent, pure product. Personally, pot does nothing for me, so I don't partake, but if I did, I would prefer to buy from her shop or one with the same high standards.

KenjiOdo

LightsStillOn wrote: »

If a dealer is lacing weed with other "nasty" things he won't have much of a customer base. Stupid scare tactic that is spewed out.

Ok you just wait till your stuck one day and you buy from an untrusted source..

It's comments like yours who put everything back into the dark, uncanny username I might add!

KenjiOdo

ScumLord wrote: »

This is usually a myth. People will buy crap cannabis as easily as they'll buy good cannabis. So why would a drug dealer spend money adding in other drugs? It's a pointless waste of money that gains them nothing.

What does happen is dealer's mix inert substances through drugs like cocaine because it's easy, it bulks up what they have and increases profit for very little cost. That's why drug dealers add other substances to drugs, to increase profit. What your suggesting would just make a more expensive drug that would have to be sold at the same price. Less profit.

Why ?? Cannabis does not have the same addiction as other drugs such as opiates!

LightsStillOn

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Ok you just wait till your stuck one day and you buy from an untrusted source..

It's comments like yours who put everything back into the dark, uncanny username I might add!

I don't smoke so won't be getting stuck anytime soon!

eamonnq

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Well what would you call it ??

merely ponderous questions

Alf Stewart.

I remember back in sixth forum, me chemistry teacher asked us to write an essay on LSD.

Wasn't doin too bad at it either, until me pen turned into a gorilla and starterd trying to chew on me head.

KenjiOdo

I might add I personally don't use drugs myself.. but I've seen the side affects throughout our cities nationwide. I'd like to add I'm pro abortion -- or rather pro choice -- I think as a society we should have a choice about everything. I think abortion is very sad that a mother of an unborn child would have to make that choice but to deny her that opportunity is enslavement!

KenjiOdo

LightsStillOn wrote: »

I don't smoke so won't be getting stuck anytime soon!

So why did you make you're original statement??

Its this ignorance I'm talking about!

DrumSteve

Alf Stewart. wrote: »

I remember back in sixth forum, me chemistry teacher asked us to write an essay on LSD.

Wasn't doin too bad at it either, until me pen turned into a gorilla and starterd trying to chew on me head.

An entire essay on LSD?

That'd must have been some size LSD tab.

beach_walker

Ah c'mon OP, this is the same sorta guff that we (at least I) was fed in school. We were told that weed was addictive (debatable to an extent but certainly not the instant dependence we were told would befall us), nobody has ever ever offered me a free bag of weed as a taster (chance'd be a fine thing). Once you get a bit older and figure out this stuff is balls, you start to question other "truths" about drugs and I do think this actually leads to more experimentation.

Nobody's gonna lace weed with heroin, why would they?

Why are the results hidden??

KenjiOdo

beach_walker wrote: »

Ah c'mon OP, this is the same sorta guff that we (at least I) was fed in school. We were told that weed was addictive (debatable to an extent but certainly not the instant dependence we were told would befall us), nobody has ever ever offered me a free bag of weed as a taster (chance'd be a fine thing). Once you get a bit older and figure out this stuff is balls, you start to question other "truths" about drugs and I do think this actually leads to more experimentation.

Nobody's gonna lace weed with heroin, why would they?

Why are the results hidden??

Peer-pressure to try out smoking "joints"..

You wouldn't lace "weed" with Heroine but maybe crack cocaine or meth..

Hashish bars can contain Heroine!


The results are hidden coz I chose so!

The Bishop Basher

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Hashish bars can contain Heroine!

Where do you get this stuff :eek:

Would you include alcohol as part of our drug problem ?

KenjiOdo

Swanner wrote: »

Where do you get this stuff :eek:

Would you include alcohol as part of our drug problem ?

Excessive alcohol consumption is a problem yes but its not a crime!
It doesn't relate here.

MarcoAntonio23

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Peer-pressure to try out smoking "joints"..

You wouldn't lace "weed" with Heroine but maybe crack cocaine or meth..

Hashish bars can contain Heroine!


The results are hidden coz I chose so!

Hashish bars (low quality soap) are more likely to contain beeswax, turpentine, milk powder, ketamine, boot polish, henna, pine resin, aspirin, animal turds, ground coffee, barbiturates, glues & dyes plus carcinogenic solvents such as Toluene & Benzene, but heroin I doubt.

LightsStillOn

KenjiOdo wrote: »

So why did you make you're original statement??

Its this ignorance I'm talking about!

Because I have done in the past when I was younger, and know quite a few people who still do today. Nothing ignorant about my original comment at all. If anything the only ignorance in this thread is coming from the opening posts where you're going on about heroin being mixed in with weed.

Sofiztikated

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Peer-pressure to try out smoking "joints"..

You wouldn't lace "weed" with Heroine but maybe crack cocaine or meth..

Hashish bars can contain Heroine!


The results are hidden coz I chose so!

Christ. :rolleyes:

Lux23

Heroin is expensive, why would you give it away free by putting it into a bag of weed?

ScumLord

Whatsisname wrote: »

Makes no sense to lace weed with anything when whatever you could potentially lace it with is more expensive than the weed itself.

When you consider that ancient peoples who took drugs thought they were literally traveling to other worlds and places like the land of the dead there's probably nothing that will convince people not to take drugs if they want to. We just place too much value on the experience to be scared away from it.

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Why ?? Cannabis does not have the same addiction as other drugs such as opiates!

No, it doesn't. It doesn't need to either. The real problem with cannabis is there are no serious side effects or hangovers. A person could smoke weed every day and not suffer any physical hangover as you'd get with the likes of alcohol or ecstasy. So it's very easy to get dependant on it. It's a different kind of addiction which is a little insidious. It's also enjoyable and people like enjoyable things.

KenjiOdo

LightsStillOn wrote: »

Because I have done in the past when I was younger, and know quite a few people who still do today. Nothing ignorant about my original comment at all. If anything the only ignorance in this thread is coming from the opening posts where you're going on about heroin being mixed in with weed.

I'm not talking about the green stuff being mixed with heroine, but it has been known to be mixed with stuff, PCP A.K.A angel dust amongst others.

My whole point of posting was street drugs are NOT safe unless you grow your own..

I don't partake in any substance abuse, but don't want others falling into this trap either! Hence I feel we need a real debate on the issue at Government level!

KenjiOdo

Lux23 wrote: »

Heroin is expensive, why would you give it away free by putting it into a bag of weed?

Mix heroine into a block of hashish you'll have a customer who can't quit smoking cannabis. Further info is Heroine is not that expensive at point of origin, or where the Hash is processed.

daRobot

This is one of the worst threads I've ever read.

OP, you have absolutely no clue what you're on about and I'd suspect others don't either.

Kimbot

LightsStillOn wrote: »

If a dealer is lacing weed with other "nasty" things he won't have much of a customer base. Stupid scare tactic that is spewed out.

Actually it does happen, I lost a friend to something like this happening a few years back. My friend smoked "gear" and when he told me I spent months helping him get off the stuff.... He was 6 months clean (from gear, he smoked hash/weed but only the odd time). He went out to celebrate getting his life back on track when he was handed a bag of "weed", he had a smoke and fell asleep never to wake up again as his heart literally exploded because it was contaminated with heroin, a dealer wanted him back on the stuff so they pulled this stunt.

Fibreglass used to be put in weed years ago to pad it out weigh wise.
Plastic has often been found inside lumps of hash, again added to add more wieght so they make more money.

KenjiOdo

ScumLord wrote: »

When you consider that ancient peoples who took drugs thought they were literally traveling to other worlds and places like the land of the dead there's probably nothing that will convince people not to take drugs if they want to. We just place too much value on the experience to be scared away from it.

No, it doesn't. It doesn't need to either. The real problem with cannabis is there are no serious side effects or hangovers. A person could smoke weed every day and not suffer any physical hangover as you'd get with the likes of alcohol or ecstasy. So it's very easy to get dependant on it. It's a different kind of addiction which is a little insidious. It's also enjoyable and people like enjoyable things.

I'm not trying condone drug taking either by the way, each to their own but I think if you get "more than you bargained for" then there is a problem.

KenjiOdo

daRobot wrote: »

This is one of the worst threads I've ever read.

OP, you have absolutely no clue what you're on about and I'd suspect others don't either.

Ok you win! Great argument!

The Bishop Basher

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Excessive alcohol consumption is a problem yes but its not a crime!

Not strictly true.

But anyway, back to this hashish laced with heroin :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail

KenjiOdo wrote: »

I'm not talking about the green stuff being mixed with heroine, but it has been known to be mixed with stuff, PCP A.K.A angel dust amongst others.

PCP? why the hell would a dealer be importing something that there is no call for?

KenjiOdo wrote: »

My whole point of posting was street drugs are NOT safe unless you grow your own..

I don't partake in any substance abuse, but don't want others falling into this trap either! Hence I feel we need a real debate on the issue at Government level!

Street drugs are not safe?? No way dude, thats crazy talk.

Amalgam

The rather ace YouTube channel Kurzgesagt posted an interesting clip on addiction a while back..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao8L-0nSYzg

The change to weed has to be a plus, there used to be dodgy bulking agents mixed in with resin. Shredded plastic, sand etc.

KenjiOdo

Swanner wrote: »

Not strictly true.

But anyway, back to this hashish laced with heroin :rolleyes:

So increased aggression/depression anything else associated with Alcohol is graaaand then??

KenjiOdo

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

PCP? why the hell would a dealer be importing something that there is no call for?



Street drugs are not safe?? No way dude, thats crazy talk.

Like the sarcasm!

Rubberchikken

no. the reason why is that the clue is in the word 'illegal'. i may have many faults, but stupidity isn't one of them. just my opinion.

ohnonotgmail

jonnycivic wrote: »

Actually it does happen, I lost a friend to something like this happening a few years back. My friend smoked "gear" and when he told me I spent months helping him get off the stuff.... He was 6 months clean (from gear, he smoked hash/weed but only the odd time). He went out to celebrate getting his life back on track when he was handed a bag of "weed", he had a smoke and fell asleep never to wake up again as his heart literally exploded because it was contaminated with heroin, a dealer wanted him back on the stuff so they pulled this stunt.

Fibreglass used to be put in weed years ago to pad it out weigh wise.
Plastic has often been found inside lumps of hash, again added to add more wieght so they make more money.

are you sure he wasnt just back on the gear? Its common enough for somebody to overdose if they relapse after being clean for a while because they dont have the same tolerance they had before.

ScumLord

KenjiOdo wrote: »

I'm not talking about the green stuff being mixed with heroine, but it has been known to be mixed with stuff, PCP A.K.A angel dust amongst others.

My whole point of posting was street drugs are NOT safe unless you grow your own..

Why would heroin become safe if you grow it at home? I don't know that cannabis has been mixed with stuff like PCP. I'd want some confirmation that any cannabis found with other drugs wasn't just because the person they arrested with the cannabis hadn't got a wrap of PCP in his pocket as well.

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Mix heroine into a block of hashish you'll have a customer who can't quit smoking cannabis. Further info is Heroine is not that expensive at point of origin, or where the Hash is processed.

Hashish (which is extremely rare these days) is processed on the side of a mountain, the process is usually extremely straightforward and ancient. Unlike with more modern drugs like heroin and cocaine which require scientific processing. There are rumours that the really expensive hashish in Amsterdam has heroin mixed through it. This stuff would be €40 a gram. But that's also a myth. Cannabis conasuers don't want contaminated cannabis.

The bottom line remains, why would any stage of the drug network increase their costs for no gain? It makes even less sense to do it at a point of origin because they have the least to gain from doing it.

Dr Crayfish

Is this thread for real? Did Nancy Reagan post this from her grave?

KenjiOdo

ScumLord wrote: »

Why would heroin become safe if you grow it at home? I don't know that cannabis has been mixed with stuff like PCP. I'd want some confirmation that any cannabis found with other drugs wasn't just because the person they arrested with the cannabis hadn't got a wrap of PCP in his pocket as well.

Hashish (which is extremely rare these days) is processed on the side of a mountain, the process is usually extremely straightforward and ancient. Unlike with more modern drugs like heroin and cocaine which require scientific processing. There are rumours that the really expensive hashish in Amsterdam has heroin mixed through it. This stuff would be €40 a gram. But that's also a myth. Cannabis conasuers don't want contaminated cannabis.

The bottom line remains, why would any stage of the drug network increase their costs for no gain? It makes even less sense to do it at a point of origin because they have the least to gain from doing it.

Didn't a batch of Heroine in the US -- New York/east coast region kill a load of people as it was contaminated? Pretty sure it was a couple months before that actor died Philip Seymour Hoffman.

KenjiOdo

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

Is this thread for real? Did Nancy Reagan post this from her grave?

She did indeed kind sir, would you like to talk with her ??


You'll need to take some of these to communicate *opens coat*

KenjiOdo

Just like to add, ecstasy has been know to be switched with roofies that movie was not far from truth!

ScumLord

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Didn't a batch of Heroine in the US -- New York/east coast region kill a load of people as it was contaminated? Pretty sure it was a couple months before that actor died Philip Seymour Hoffman.

that happens, it's because these are unregulated drugs. Regulation while unpalatable would save lives. It would also make it easier for people to get help. I think heroin use could be virtually wiped out with proper drug regulation.

Ignatius in bloom

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Have you ever bought illegal substances for consumption?

Have you ever sold or supplied illegal substances to others?

If you have ever taken/bought/sold illicit drugs were you fully aware of the content of said drugs?

*NB please to not reply to these questions, merely ponderous questions. Don't want you to incriminate yourself!

The real reason I ask these questions is sometimes dealers/suppliers lace drugs with other drugs. You think "oh yeah, €20 bag of weed, lets get stoned!"--Harmless right! But in reality, it can be laced with all sorts of nasty stuff..

I've even heard of heroine being put into cannabis.. This stuff ruins lives!

In light of this should it not be time to legalese the growing of cannabis (gateway drug) or open legit cafés/shops?

http://www.talktofrank.com -- Drug info site.



Sorry for the rant but with all the media coverage over the last 5 years of same sex marriage / abortion etc.. shouldn't we be doing something about our drug culture??

What the friggin hell are you smokin?

weldoninhio

Even for After Hours this is one of the most ridiculous threads ever. The OP obviously has a very sheltered life if he believes every scare story he's ever read hahahahaha

ohnonotgmail

Ignatius in bloom

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Just like to add, ecstasy has been know to be switched with roofies that movie was not far from truth!

The same can be said for any food item sold in any shop. Anything can be contaminated by unscrupulous people/companies/corporations etc it doesn't mean as a whole its bad for you. Some drugs are very addictive and cause serious harm a bit like a cigarette. Talking of which a government controlled substance that happens to be mixed with literally thousands of things that they do not have to list on each packet.

Kimbot

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

are you sure he wasnt just back on the gear? Its common enough for somebody to overdose if they relapse after being clean for a while because they dont have the same tolerance they had before.

Yes I am 100% sure as they found the bag of "weed" on him and had him and the bag tested.

ScumLord

weldoninhio wrote: »

Even for After Hours this is one of the most ridiculous threads ever. The OP obviously has a very sheltered life if he believes every scare story he's ever read hahahahaha

The problem is this is the information most people have. It's been built up over decades. When I think back to the action films I watched in the 80s the bad guys were always on some new drug that turned them into mindless thugs.

The current situation we're living in was created in the 60s to combat a social movement. Those people use that drug so lets villainize their drug to make them seem like bad people. It's also based on centuries of religious stigma. It's really only in the last 10 years we've started to have a more practical discussion of drugs that's based on science rather than fear and prejudice.

Drugs are not safe. But the risks can be reduced to the point occasional recreational use would be safe for the majority of people. The dangers of drugs are clearly made worse by prohibition though.

We need to accept that humans like drugs. And rather than fight that force of nature we need to accept it and find ways to reduce the risks.

KenjiOdo

ScumLord wrote: »

.. cocaine which require scientific processing. to make [sic].

Not true...


On the river banks of the Amazonian river makeshift labs make Cocaine from cocoa leaves,cement, (either petrol or diesel can't remember) hardly high tech labs stuff.

Saw it on documentary on Netflix..

Dr Crayfish

ScumLord wrote: »

We need to accept that humans like drugs. And rather than fight that force of nature we need to accept it and find ways to reduce the risks.

I don't think any government would ever get in power in this country that had relaxed views on drugs