What's goin on with you guys lotto over there?

smash · 12-05-2016 02:05PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

From the op

If someone rings in and says they have the ticket then lottery hq will say bring ticket in. They won't even entertain a claim until they see a ticket.

Yet to pay out on winnings does not mean they have the ticket. It means the winner has come forward.

jmayo wrote: »

Actually there was case in Ballyvary, Mayo a few years ago where 4/5 guys were in lotto syndicate in a pub.
One guy hadn't chipped in for number of months.

lo and behold when they win he comes out of the woodwork to claim his share.
It got messy, ended up in high court where he won, but was appealed to Supreme Court where he lost.
His legal fees I think would have nearly outweighed what he would have won.

The courts can decide who is and isn't a party to an agreement.
It basically looks at it as a kind of contract AFAIK.

http://www.mayonews.ie/news/5547-bohola-man-loses-landmark-lotto-case

Isn't this only after a payout has occurred...

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-05-2016 02:14PM

smash wrote: »

Yet to pay out on winnings does not mean they have the ticket. It means the winner has come forward.

Isn't this only after a payout has occurred...

If the lottery are withholding the money then they cannot after 90 days refuse to payout due to expiration.

smash · 12-05-2016 02:26PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

If the lottery are withholding the money then they cannot after 90 days refuse to payout due to expiration.

But isn't not stated that the lottery are withholding the money. It's stated there's a dispute. It doesn't say where the dispute lies, but the indication is that it's within the syndicate.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 12-05-2016 02:42PM

If the story about there being 14 lads but 10 claiming they paid for the ticket then I hope none of them get anything. If it's divided 14 ways they each get €588k, and if it's only 10 ways €820k both hugely substantial and life changing amounts. I sincerely hope greed isn't the cause of the dispute.

spurshero · 12-05-2016 02:45PM

smash wrote: »

Who the hell told you that? Have you ever seen anyone scanning a ticket to register it? No... because it's not how it works. Sure the shop have already had their payout an all.

Ok chill out lad . Was only posting what I was told . Wasn't sure if it was true or not . Maybe u should tell us what happened seen as your such an expert

gramar · 12-05-2016 02:48PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

If the story about there being 14 lads but 10 claiming they paid for the ticket then I hope none of them get anything. If it's divided 14 ways they each get €588k, and if it's only 10 ways €820k both hugely substantial and life changing amounts. I sincerely hope greed isn't the cause of the dispute.

What else would it be?

smash · 12-05-2016 02:51PM

spurshero wrote: »

Ok chill out lad . Was only posting what I was told . Wasn't sure if it was true or not . Maybe u should tell us what happened seen as your such an expert

Nobody know what happened but it certainly has nothing to do with your statement about ticket validation through scanning after purchase.

smash · 12-05-2016 02:53PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

If the story about there being 14 lads but 10 claiming they paid for the ticket then I hope none of them get anything. If it's divided 14 ways they each get €588k, and if it's only 10 ways €820k both hugely substantial and life changing amounts. I sincerely hope greed isn't the cause of the dispute.

And if 4 people opted not to pay in they they weren't part of the syndicate. No reason to begrudge the winners and hope they get nothing!

gramar · 12-05-2016 02:58PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The ticket obviously has been handed in because the lottery are aware of a dispute. There was a case a few years ago like this and the money was held until a court made a judgement on ownership of the winnings.

I think it's fair to assume that someone from or part of the syndicate has tried to claim the prize and presented the ticket and others who feel they are due a share have also contacted the lottery offices and they've withheld the prize until they can confirm to whom it is to be paid.

If won't affect the 90 days rule if a valid ticket has been presented and verified within that timeframe which appears to be the case. The lottery office will sit on the cash until satisfied they can pay out which could be years if the dispute goes to court.

spurshero · 12-05-2016 03:02PM

smash wrote: »

Nobody know what happened but it certainly has nothing to do with your statement about ticket validation through scanning after purchase.

Maybe you can tell us what it certainly has to do with so seen as you are able to rule this out

Joe prim · 12-05-2016 03:02PM

Based on my experience of winning the Nigerian Lotto (three times, in fact), the winner has to send off a special payment to a bloke in Lagos, who is an attorney-at-law, and then a top-up payment for legal fees, to another guy, who is a barrister, and then just wait for the money to arrive in his\her bank account . (I'm in the waiting phase at the moment) Maybe that's what's holding things up.

maudgonner · 12-05-2016 03:07PM

Dear Joe prim,

I think you once saw Sligo on a map or something. Great news! That entitles you to a share of the 8.2m jackpot, my lucky friend. In fact that's what this whole kerfuffle has been about - waiting for you to come forward

Please PM me your bank account details. I will require a small fee to ensure the funds are released to your account promptly.

Congratulations, friend!

smash · 12-05-2016 03:08PM

gramar wrote: »

If won't affect the 90 days rule if a valid ticket has been presented and verified within that timeframe which appears to be the case.

Not really. The lotto stated only yesterday:

"As is standard practice, any claimant has 90 days in which to claim their prize and we are continuing to engage with the ticketholder. In line with our normal policy, we will not be issuing further comment until the prize has been collected."

This suggests that the prize has not been claimed, as it can not be claimed because of a dispute over ownership.

spurshero wrote: »

Maybe you can tell us what it certainly has to do with so seen as you are able to rule this out

I was to rule out your suggest because it's incorrect. Plain as day!

gramar · 12-05-2016 03:16PM

smash wrote: »

Not really. The lotto stated only yesterday:

"As is standard practice, any claimant has 90 days in which to claim their prize and we are continuing to engage with the ticketholder. In line with our normal policy, we will not be issuing further comment until the prize has been collected."

This suggests that the prize has not been claimed, as it can not be claimed because of a dispute over ownership.

I was to rule out your suggest because it's incorrect. Plain as day!

Claiming the prize is one thing, collecting is another. We could all claim the prize but obviously your claim won't be entertained unless you have the ticket.

They clearly state the 'ticketholder' so a person has a ticket and has claimed the prize. They can't collect as the lottery (most likely due to other claims from people who feel they have a right to part of the prize) have decided to hold off until they're sure the person with the ticket has the right to claim.

saywhatyousee · 12-05-2016 03:19PM

I think the ticket was damaged in someway it clearly said on rte news last nite that a ticket was presented and there is no third party dispute what else could it be ?

smash · 12-05-2016 03:21PM

gramar wrote: »

Claiming the prize is one thing, collecting is another. We could all claim the prize but obviously your claim won't be entertained unless you have the ticket.

Claiming a lottery prize means literally walking in and claiming it under presentation of a valid ticket. You then have to prove you are the owner of the ticket. Once the lottery have accepted the ticket you will be given the prize.

From the lottery website:
All prizes must be claimed within 90 days from the draw date when the winning numbers were drawn. Any prize not claimed within the 90 day period shall be forfeited and the prize money shall be allocated to the Unclaimed Prize Fund. In the case of a prize claimed by mail, the ticket must be received at National Lottery Headquarters within the time limit for such claims.

And also:
In the event that a dispute arises over a winning ticket, a claim form, the payment, or the awarding of any prize, the Company may withhold payment of the prize winnings until a decision has been reached.

gramar wrote: »

They clearly state the 'ticketholder' so a person has a ticket and has claimed the prize. They can't collect as the lottery (most likely due to other claims from people who feel they have a right to part of the prize) have decided to hold off until they're sure the person with the ticket has the right to claim.

A prize is not claimed until the ticket has been presented and you can prove you're the owner. A dispute in ownership means it hasn't been claimed.

Timberrrrrrrr · 12-05-2016 03:26PM

smash wrote: »

Claiming a lottery prize means literally walking in and claiming it under presentation of a valid ticket. You then have to prove you are the owner of the ticket. Once the lottery have accepted the ticket you will be given the prize.

From the lottery website:
All prizes must be claimed within 90 days from the draw date when the winning numbers were drawn. Any prize not claimed within the 90 day period shall be forfeited and the prize money shall be allocated to the Unclaimed Prize Fund. In the case of a prize claimed by mail, the ticket must be received at National Lottery Headquarters within the time limit for such claims.

And also:
In the event that a dispute arises over a winning ticket, a claim form, the payment, or the awarding of any prize, the Company may withhold payment of the prize winnings until a decision has been reached.

A prize is not claimed until the ticket has been presented and you can prove you're the owner. A dispute in ownership means it hasn't been claimed.

You're being super pedantic here on the wording.

Company may withhold payment of the prize winnings until a decision has been reached.

What if it takes 8 months for a decision to be made? Are you saying lottery hq will refuse to pay out because it hasn't been "claimed" within the 90 days?

No way on earth would/will they not pay this money out eventually as the bad press would be horrific.

gramar · 12-05-2016 03:26PM

smash wrote: »

A prize is not claimed until the ticket has been presented and you can prove you're the owner. A dispute in ownership means it hasn't been claimed.

I would disagree, I would say a prize cannot be paid out/collected until the dispute of ownership has been resolved.

The claim as been made. Someone has gone to the offices and presented a winning ticket. As you state yourself 'Claiming a lottery prize means literally walking in and claiming it under presentation of a valid ticket. You then have to prove you are the owner of the ticket'

The second part of proving ownership is the sticking point in this case but the claim would appear to have been made.

bear1 · 12-05-2016 03:27PM

I don't get it.
14 guys supposedly buy a lotto ticket in Sligo - I'm assuming they all said yeah let's do it.
They win 8.4 million but there is a dispute so is it possible that the friends are all saying they are entitled to the full amount?
Surely they could just say to one lad "here claim the money and we all split it fairly".
Even splitting it 14 times gives you 600k each.

maudgonner · 12-05-2016 03:30PM

bear1 wrote: »

I don't get it.
14 guys supposedly buy a lotto ticket in Sligo - I'm assuming they all said yeah let's do it.
They win 8.4 million but there is a dispute so is it possible that the friends are all saying they are entitled to the full amount?
Surely they could just say to one lad "here claim the money and we all split it fairly".
Even splitting it 14 times gives you 600k each.

No, because Lotto wins are tax free. IF you're an official winner.

If they split it up afterwards they would have to pay gift tax on it. You're far better off sort it out before you claim it. And you're weakening any potential legal claim as well, I'd imagine, if you say first that you're not part of the win, but later claim that you are.

fin12 · 12-05-2016 03:32PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You're being super pedantic here on the wording.

What if it takes 8 months for a decision to be made? Are you saying lottery hq will refuse to pay out because it hasn't been "claimed" within the 90 days?

No way on earth would/will they not pay this money out eventually as the bad press would be horrific.

They said on one of the papers, that the payment will be paid out.

gramar · 12-05-2016 03:32PM

bear1 wrote: »

I don't get it.
14 guys supposedly buy a lotto ticket in Sligo - I'm assuming they all said yeah let's do it.
They win 8.4 million but there is a dispute so is it possible that the friends are all saying they are entitled to the full amount?
Surely they could just say to one lad "here claim the money and we all split it fairly".
Even splitting it 14 times gives you 600k each.

We can only speculate but I doubt anyone is claiming the full amount, more likely one or two didn't chip in but want a share, someone paid for somebody else, maybe whoever had the idea of playing thinks they deserve more. Who knows?

Whatever it is, there'll be a few awkward moments at the wedding anyway:pac:

bear1 · 12-05-2016 03:35PM

gramar wrote: »

We can only speculate but I doubt anyone is claiming the full amount, more likely one or two didn't chip in but want a share, someone paid for somebody else, maybe whoever had the idea of playing thinks they deserve more. Who knows?

Whatever it is, there'll be a few awkward moments at the wedding anyway:pac:

Or.. be a right bastard and feck them all over

Move to some island somewhere and laugh your bollocks off until you croak haha

stoplooklisten · 12-05-2016 03:48PM

Here's my theory

14 lads gave 1 euro each, some 2, some nothing, someone else made up the 20 (whoever purchase it)

Then purchaser? says, well I paid 1/4, i get 1/4

You get x amount you paid 1 euro

You get y amount you paid 2 euro

you get nothing, you paid with nothing

Everyone else boohoo

groomsman/bride, well it was our do and without us, you wouldn't have even been in sligo without us. We deseve 100%

smash · 12-05-2016 03:53PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You're being super pedantic here on the wording.

What if it takes 8 months for a decision to be made? Are you saying lottery hq will refuse to pay out because it hasn't been "claimed" within the 90 days?

Yes. It's all their in their rules and codes of practice.

"In the event that a dispute between the Company and the ticket owner occurs about the validity of a winning ticket, and if the ticket prize is not paid, the Company may, solely at the Company's discretion, replace the disputed ticket with an unplayed ticket (or ticket of equivalent sales price from any other current Lottery Game). This shall be the sole and exclusive remedy for the owner of the ticket (except as otherwise may be provided by Law, Rules, or Regulations)."

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

No way on earth would/will they not pay this money out eventually as the bad press would be horrific.

People would still play.

osarusan · 12-05-2016 04:06PM

smash wrote: »

Yes. It's all their in their rules and codes of practice.

"In the event that a dispute between the Company and the ticket owner occurs about the validity of a winning ticket, and if the ticket prize is not paid, the Company may, solely at the Company's discretion, replace the disputed ticket with an unplayed ticket (or ticket of equivalent sales price from any other current Lottery Game). This shall be the sole and exclusive remedy for the owner of the ticket (except as otherwise may be provided by Law, Rules, or Regulations)."

That's about the validity of the ticket, which doesn't seem to be the issue here. The issue seems to be who is entitled to a share.

smash · 12-05-2016 04:14PM

osarusan wrote: »

That's about the validity of the ticket, which is not the issue here. The issue seems to be who is entitled to a share.

But lawyers and their interpretations would never surprise me.

osarusan · 12-05-2016 04:16PM

There is no way in hell that the lottery would tell a claimant that 'yes, the ticket is valid, but there is a dispute so you need to sort out who is entitled to a share', and then, when the claimant returned 4 months later after sorting it out, then say 'sorry, the 90 days has expired.'

tipptom · 12-05-2016 04:20PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Here's my theory

14 lads gave 1 euro each, some 2, some nothing, someone else made up the 20 (whoever purchase it)

Then purchaser? says, well I paid 1/4, i get 1/4

You get x amount you paid 1 euro

You get y amount you paid 2 euro

you get nothing, you paid with nothing

Everyone else boohoo

groomsman/bride, well it was our do and without us, you wouldn't have even been in sligo without us. We deseve 100%

Could have went that way but there is always a couple of shysters on these trips who are always lurking in the toilets for their rounds or always have to be told to put their money in the kitty and are generally very "absent minded" when it comes to chipping in but are happy to drink and eat away and take any other advantages that come with a free ride from the kitty.

Either way there is a good BBC drama in this as long as RTE are not involved!

smash · 12-05-2016 04:25PM

osarusan wrote: »

There is no way in hell that the lottery would tell a claimant that 'yes, the ticket is valid, but there is a dispute so you need to sort out who is entitled to a share', and then, when the claimant returned 4 months later after sorting it out, then say 'sorry, the 90 days has expired.'

News reports are stating that winners have only 90 days to claim their prize and despite the lottery being in communication with the ticket holder, there's a dispute that has been ongoing for 9 weeks now. Their time is running out.

What's goin on with you guys lotto over there?

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