Would a Global War make for a better world afterwards?

Sleepy · 10-05-2016 01:46PM

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beach_walker · 10-05-2016 01:59PM

Would a Global War make for a better world afterwards?

How about we focus on a Global Peace first? *draws heavily on joint*

BattleCorp · 10-05-2016 02:05PM

beach_walker wrote: »

How about we focus on a Global Peace first? *draws heavily on joint*

You can't draw heavily on a joint. Better off painting on it. The pencil will only tear the paper.

NoCrackHaving · 10-05-2016 02:13PM

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I would imagine climate change will eventually lead to mass migration, political unrest, and ultimately world war some time in this century. This time around I'm not sure if it will be a better world afterwards, unless a massively decreased population counts as better.
Nowadays it's a bit 1935-1939, we all know something bad is coming, but don't know quite when or what we can do. Plastic bag taxes etc are just like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.
Give how we're milling through our finite resources at the moment, perhaps a World War would kick us into check next time around. But I doubt it, greed comes first with humans.

In the case of Europe we're currently in the 2nd longest period of peace on a continent wide basis (after the gap between Napoleonic Wars and WW1) but not that far of. Will we last without another major war occuring within the next 25 years in Europe? I certainly hope so but history does contradict us quite a bit on that front sadly.

Capt'n Midnight · 10-05-2016 07:39PM

NoCrackHaving wrote: »

In the case of Europe we're currently in the 2nd longest period of peace on a continent wide basis (after the gap between Napoleonic Wars and WW1) but not that far off

Probably best to ignore the UK , like the US they have a lot of wars. ( Since the United States was founded in 1776, she has been at war during 219 out of her 240 calendar years of existence. )

The years of peace between the Napoleonic Was and WWI

1815–1817 Second Serbian Uprising
1817–1864 Russian conquest of the Caucasus
1821–1832 Greek War of Independence
1821 Wallachian uprising
1823 French invasion of Spain
1826–1828 Russo-Persian War
1827 War of the Malcontents
1828–1829 Russo-Turkish War
1828–1834 Liberal Wars
1830 Ten Days' Campaign (following the Belgian Revolution)
1830–1831 November Uprising
1831 Canut revolts
1831–1832 Bosnian Uprising
1831–1836 Tithe War
1832 War in the Vendée and Chouannerie of 1832
1832 June Rebellion
1833–1839 First Carlist War
1833–1839 Albanian Revolts of 1833–39
1843–1844 Albanian Revolt of 1843–44
1846 Galician slaughter
1846–1849 Second Carlist War
1847 Albanian Revolt of 1847
1847 Sonderbund War
1848–1849 Hungarian Revolution and War of Independence
1848–1851 First Schleswig War
1848–1849 First Italian War of Independence
1853–1856 Crimean War
1854 Epirus Revolt of 1854
1858 Mahtra War
1859 Second Italian War of Independence
1861–62 Montenegrin–Ottoman War (1861–62)
1863–1864 January Uprising
1864 Second Schleswig War
1866 Austro-Prussian War
1866–1869 Cretan Revolt
1866 Third Italian War of Independence
1867 Fenian Rising
1870–1871 Franco-Prussian War
1872–1876 Third Carlist War
1873–1874 Cantonal Revolution
1875–77 Herzegovina Uprising (1875–77)
1876–78 Serbian–Ottoman War (1876–78)
1876–78 Montenegrin–Ottoman War (1876–78)
1877–1878 Russo-Turkish War
1878 Epirus Revolt of 1878
1885 Serbo-Bulgarian War
1897 Greco–Turkish War
1903 Ilinden–Preobrazhenie Uprising
1904–1908 Macedonian Struggle
1905 Łódź insurrection
1907 Romanian Peasants' Revolt
1910 Albanian Revolt of 1910
1911–1912 Italo-Turkish War
1912–1913 First Balkan War
1913 Second Balkan War
1914 Peasant Revolt in Albania

BalcombeSt4 · 10-05-2016 08:33PM

World War 1 Aftermath - leads to the rise of Nationalism which leads to Fascism which helps form the rise of Nazism which helps Hitlers rise to power and along with the treaty of Versailles leads to the start of an even worse Worl War. Also leads to a revolution in Russia which ends up as an extreme totalitarian Russian state which helped lead to Maoism which helped lead to an extreme totalitarian Chinese state and very long and very bloody civil war(which legally hasn't ended). There was also revolutions in Greece, Mexico, Palestine, Egypt, Ireland and Malta.

riffmongous · 10-05-2016 08:34PM

NoCrackHaving wrote: »

In the case of Europe we're currently in the 2nd longest period of peace on a continent wide basis (after the gap between Napoleonic Wars and WW1) but not that far of. Will we last without another major war occuring within the next 25 years in Europe? I certainly hope so but history does contradict us quite a bit on that front sadly.

Central europe was at war for most of the middle of the 19th century, from 1848-1871 there was quite a few major wars between Germany*, Austria-Hungary, Italy* and France

*what are now Germany and Italy

The_Kew_Tour · 10-05-2016 08:37PM

No

Children and women being killed achieves nothing.

No to terror, no to war

Pherekydes · 10-05-2016 09:22PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Children and women being killed achieves nothing.

And men? I'm quite interested in that answer...

NoCrackHaving · 11-05-2016 11:48AM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Probably best to ignore the UK , like the US they have a lot of wars. ( Since the United States was founded in 1776, she has been at war during 219 out of her 240 calendar years of existence. )

The years of peace between the Napoleonic Was and WWI

1815–1817 Second Serbian Uprising
1817–1864 Russian conquest of the Caucasus
1821–1832 Greek War of Independence
1821 Wallachian uprising
1823 French invasion of Spain
1826–1828 Russo-Persian War
1827 War of the Malcontents
1828–1829 Russo-Turkish War
1828–1834 Liberal Wars
1830 Ten Days' Campaign (following the Belgian Revolution)
1830–1831 November Uprising
1831 Canut revolts
1831–1832 Bosnian Uprising
1831–1836 Tithe War
1832 War in the Vendée and Chouannerie of 1832
1832 June Rebellion
1833–1839 First Carlist War
1833–1839 Albanian Revolts of 1833–39
1843–1844 Albanian Revolt of 1843–44
1846 Galician slaughter
1846–1849 Second Carlist War
1847 Albanian Revolt of 1847
1847 Sonderbund War
1848–1849 Hungarian Revolution and War of Independence
1848–1851 First Schleswig War
1848–1849 First Italian War of Independence
1853–1856 Crimean War
1854 Epirus Revolt of 1854
1858 Mahtra War
1859 Second Italian War of Independence
1861–62 Montenegrin–Ottoman War (1861–62)
1863–1864 January Uprising
1864 Second Schleswig War
1866 Austro-Prussian War
1866–1869 Cretan Revolt
1866 Third Italian War of Independence
1867 Fenian Rising
1870–1871 Franco-Prussian War
1872–1876 Third Carlist War
1873–1874 Cantonal Revolution
1875–77 Herzegovina Uprising (1875–77)
1876–78 Serbian–Ottoman War (1876–78)
1876–78 Montenegrin–Ottoman War (1876–78)
1877–1878 Russo-Turkish War
1878 Epirus Revolt of 1878
1885 Serbo-Bulgarian War
1897 Greco–Turkish War
1903 Ilinden–Preobrazhenie Uprising
1904–1908 Macedonian Struggle
1905 Łódź insurrection
1907 Romanian Peasants' Revolt
1910 Albanian Revolt of 1910
1911–1912 Italo-Turkish War
1912–1913 First Balkan War
1913 Second Balkan War
1914 Peasant Revolt in Albania

Indeed but no continent wide wars with all the Great Power's clashing.Each conflict stayed relatively localised in its own corner of Europe(eg, just the Balkans, just the Crimea, just France etc.). Most people though WW1 would just end up being a Third Balkan War until the whole continent got sucked in.

NoCrackHaving · 11-05-2016 11:51AM

riffmongous wrote: »

Central europe was at war for most of the middle of the 19th century, from 1848-1871 there was quite a few major wars between Germany*, Austria-Hungary, Italy* and France

*what are now Germany and Italy

Indeed as I said in my other post but no continent wide general European war. The major European powers generally avoided escalating regional wars across Europe. For example the Crimean War never led to fighting in central or western Europe or even much outside of the Crimea apart from a bit of Balkan and Caucasus fighting really.

ScumLord · 11-05-2016 01:11PM

wes wrote: »

Another global war would probably result in the extinction of Humans.......

It would take a hell of a lot to get rid of humans at this stage. We're at least on a par with cockroaches, if not better able to survive because we can survive just about anywhere. As long as enough other life survives for us to eat we'll be fine with some pretty extreme conditions.

BattleCorp wrote: »

My point is that if every piece of infrastructure and technology is destroyed worldwide, how long would it take us to get back to the technology that we have today. I'm guessing hundreds of years.

It would be pretty hard to destroy every piece of technology or infrastructure. The amount of raw material that would leave would be staggering.

It doesn't need to be a world war to end the modern world. Our modern economy is a very efficient and effective way of moving resources and people all over the world. It's also highly complex and if trade were to slow down in any way it could bring the entire globe down with it. War gives us something to do, a lack of trade would pull the foundations from society. If all ships stopped sailing for two weeks, all planes ground for the same amount of time industries and economies would collapse.

After ancient Rome fell, people didn't as such forget everything, if we look at parts of medieval Europe their at least as advanced and in some ways more advanced. What couldn't happen after Rome fell is large scale projects, no large armies could be raised. They went back to city states and the limits of that size of a population.

Today we'd probably go back to nation states, we'd lose the benefits of a global economy, like cheap oil, internet, imported food. But we'd survive pretty easily, especially on this island.

Capt'n Midnight · 11-05-2016 06:06PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It would take a hell of a lot to get rid of humans at this stage. We're at least on a par with cockroaches, if not better able to survive because we can survive just about anywhere. As long as enough other life survives for us to eat we'll be fine with some pretty extreme conditions.

We could survive off single cell protein, microbes grown using natural gas as their food. So even with a nuclear winter blocking all the sunlight we could still survive.

Plenty of submarines and mines so some people will survive, though not many women unless there is some advance notice.

The sooner we start colonising asteroids the better in case something like a comet hits us. Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 had an impact with Jupiter with something like 600 times the global nuclear arsenal.

josip · 11-05-2016 06:38PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The sooner we start colonising asteroids the better in case something like a comet hits us. Comet Shoemaker–Levy 9 had an impact with Jupiter with something like 600 times the global nuclear arsenal.

A here now. Jupiter would be considerably more attractive to your common or garden comet than lil ol Earth.

Capt'n Midnight · 13-05-2016 12:57AM

josip wrote: »

A here now. Jupiter would be considerably more attractive to your common or garden comet than lil ol Earth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oort_cloud

The outer Oort cloud may have trillions of objects larger than 1 km (0.62 mi),[3] and billions with absolute magnitudes[15] brighter than 11 (corresponding to approximately 20-kilometre (12 mi) diameter)

Would a Global War make for a better world afterwards?

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