Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 3 Updated Mod Note Post 1

Deskjockey · 08-05-2016 11:32PM

Deisegodeo wrote: »

Disgraceful refereeing by Kirwan today, absolutely disgusted by it. Sickening way to lose a game, clear foul ignored and free given for nothing to the opposition to effectively decide the game.

Some really good performances form Waterford today, particularly Curran and Barron, really impressed with these lads after the week they had.

Congrats to Clare, as sickened as I am, I must admit huge admiration for Tony Kelly and an absolutely masterful display today, super scores, real leadership too. Such a talent

A joke of a decision. Sickening to lose over that having played so well.

JesusRef · 08-05-2016 11:57PM

Some positives
- we have a great team
- Gleeson, Curran and Bennett are the real deal,
- we have a very solid defence,
- we have a host of players that are capable of scoring brilliant individual points,
- Listen to the interviews of players and mangers after the game, we have a real classy set up.

some no so positives
- Soky Driving the ball up the field from Puck outs is not working for us, also what he was doing to get blocked down at the death last week and then pucking out the last ball so fast is beyond me.
- the refs decision not to give barron a free was bad, the Kelly free after was very bad.
- what was worse was we had two puck-outs after the 70th minute, if we retained even one we would not have lost (the ball Barron won for the controversial 'no-free' was off a break from a Clare player from our puck-out),
- Clare got the last 4 scores of the game.

We have absolutely no-one else but ourselves to blame.

congrats to Clare, who can begrudge them after a 37 year wait, another team would have been beaten, they are worthy league champions and in Tony Kelly they have a true genius.

We are as good as anyone and can win an All-Ireland

Ropaire · 09-05-2016 12:44AM

Not much talk of systems after todays game, must admit that despite the result it was a great game to watch. Unrecognisable from last weeks borefest.

The ref shafted us at the end but thought we lost it on the line before that. We conceded the last four scores mainly cos we couldn't win a puckout. Devine wasn't getting many scores but he was an outlet, was winning ball and causing havoc up there. With Brick gone as well at the end who were we targeting? We ended the game half panicked and prob would have been better off if we went for short puckouts, worked it through the lines for those last few mins if even only to kill the clock. Instead we pumped long ball that was coming straight back down and over the bar. Hopefully this is something we learn from and we turn them over in Munster.

Cake Man · 09-05-2016 12:44AM

Really sickened after that. Don't think there's much that can be said that hasn't been mentioned already. One thing that I noticed which wasn't mentioned is that (I felt at least) the ref could have allowed us one more upfield attack after Kelly's point. It was just on or before the 73rd minute mark at that point but I recall Tommy Ryan coming on for Brick in injury time which surely meant an extra 20-30 seconds. Who knows, we could have got an equaliser or free in in that attack. Nit picking I know but just an observation.
It was a bad decision by the ref alright, a free in that surely would have sealed the win for us.
Being 6 points up and losing that lead is poor though it has to be said, I think there was still around 20mins left at that stage so you knew it was still too early to try close out the game and Clare would come back at us. The last 10mins was horrible to watch as Clare were chipping into the lead and we just couldn't win a ball or break to save our lives.

To be fair to Clare they played well and at times (especially in the first half) they cut through us and seemed to take their scores much easier and more fluidly. Kelly took his goal well which really brought them back into it. Thought overall though we were the better team and I guess that's why it's a bitter pill to swallow.

Barron and Curran were excellent, the defence in general were decent, Brick won an ocean of ball and Aussie was top class as well. More of that in 4 weeks and we'll be in with a shout again. I'd say the players are hurting big time and will be eager to get another shot in a higher stakes game.

On a final point, 2-19 isn't bad scoring from a so called defensive, negative set-up!

IanVW · 09-05-2016 08:29AM

Think the biggest moan of the match was before throw in when shane o sullivan was announced as a starterðŸ™ˆ☺️

deiseach · 09-05-2016 08:52AM

The next time Waterford come out on the right side of a contentious finish, I must remember to head on over to the thread for the beaten team within minutes of the final whistle and engage in a spot of finger-wagging about taking it on the chin. Because nothing signals 'graciousness' like concern trolling.

Still, there's no point in complaining about the ref. Unless you have evidence of corruption - and remember that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - then you have to accept that refereeing capriciousness is something you have to factor into the game. The only way around it is to be four points up heading into injury time, not one or two. Time to dust ourselves down and move on to the next one. Well done Clare.

blueflame · 09-05-2016 08:56AM

Heartened by the performance - sickened by the result. Unfortunately some poor decision making left us in a position where we were vulnerable at the final whistle and hopefully we will learn from that. Having reviewed the coverage last night have to say that Kirwin's decisions were a disgrace - Baron was clearly fouled and quite frankly Tony Kelly three himself on the ground. When you hear Eddie Brennan admitting it was a wrong call and the free should have gone Waterford's way that is enough.

I also take issue with his decision at half time to blow the first half up with at least 10 seconds remaining on the clock - he added "at least one minute - Clare went up the file and scored a vital point, we had the puck out which Socky struck with 13 seconds left on the clock and Kirwin whistled for half time with the ball landing 40 meters from the Clare goal !!!

Going back to game, thought Patrick Curran was immense, really Like Devine as a player but at the moment would have to say he is far better coming into a game. It is almost like when he starts the pressure to perform is too great, he is still very young and this can happen, with experience he will become a definite starter for the future. . Maurice on the other hand takes an age to get into the game, and probably needs to start to make a real impact A lot of debate on here last week about Brick, thought he was outstanding yesterday and really stepped up to the plate when needed. Wrong call in my view to take him off he was out on his fee but was the coolest head on the park at that stage of the game.

Final comment on the behavior of Davy, all this talk about passion is rubbish - the guy is a disgrace and embarrassment with his antics on the line - i said it when he was in charge of Waterford and i say it again now - there is play acting and there is play acting, but his behavior is just totally unacceptable - all managers are passionate, but his actions exceed acceptability at any level

carter10 · 09-05-2016 09:02AM

deiseach wrote: »

The next time Waterford come out on the right side of a contentious finish, I must remember to head on over to the thread for the beaten team within minutes of the final whistle and engage in a spot of finger-wagging about taking it on the chin. Because nothing signals 'graciousness' like concern trolling.

That's Clare for ya. There is a reason they turned the whole country against them in the 90s. Bad winners

Tramore84 · 09-05-2016 09:35AM

Sickened.

LuckyGent88 · 09-05-2016 09:37AM

deiseach wrote: »

The next time Waterford come out on the right side of a contentious finish, I must remember to head on over to the thread for the beaten team within minutes of the final whistle and engage in a spot of finger-wagging about taking it on the chin. Because nothing signals 'graciousness' like concern trolling.

Still, there's no point in complaining about the ref. Unless you have evidence of corruption - and remember that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - then you have to accept that refereeing capriciousness is something you have to factor into the game. The only way around it is to be four points up heading into injury time, not one or two. Time to dust ourselves down and move on to the next one. Well done Clare.

Iv gone through this Waterford thread since the game was over and I'm finding it hard to find many posts from Clare supporters telling Waterford supporters to stop whinging and move on. There will always be someone to start trolling so don't put us all in the same boat. First league since 1978 so we are entitled to enjoy it. Mean nothing really unless we win in a few weeks time though.

In fact most agree that we got the rub of the decisions at the end where if it was a free to Tony it certainly should have been one to Barron just before hand. And as pointed out by most the ref was poor for both sides. Waterford got 3 awful soft frees in the first half but luckily for us curran put each one wide which imo was justice. Look at the Cunningham incident too where we didn't get the free.

And as I said just after the game, heart went out to Gleeson yesterday as he was just unbelievable.

Roll on a few weeks time and another tight battle. Hope with us getting mcinerney, Conlon and Ryan back will just put us through

Tramore84 · 09-05-2016 09:40AM

carter10 wrote: »

That's Clare for ya. There is a reason they turned the whole country against them in the 90s. Bad winners

What happened there after the game, what do you mean by finger - wagging?.

deiseach · 09-05-2016 09:48AM

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Iv gone through this Waterford thread since the game was over and I'm finding it hard to find many posts from Clare supporters telling Waterford supporters to stop whinging and move on. There will always be someone to start trolling so don't put us all in the same boat.

There's a hint in my post if you want to look hard enough. Don't worry too much about it though, I don't put you all in the same boat. Enjoy the win, I know I would be if the roles were reversed.

mickmackmcgoo · 09-05-2016 10:21AM

Tickets for munster championship on sale now on gaa website

Tramore84 · 09-05-2016 10:26AM

Tramore84 wrote: »

What happened there after the game, what do you mean by finger - wagging?.

Ah re- read, this was online finger wagging.

deiseach · 09-05-2016 10:26AM

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

Tickets for munster championship on sale now on gaa website

After yesterday's thriller, I predict a crowd of at least 15,000.

lukin · 09-05-2016 12:07PM

Kirwan is not actually a Corkman by birth; he is from Offaly originally:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diarmuid_Kirwan

crottys lake · 09-05-2016 01:38PM

I wonder was Kirwan the victim of ''bullying'' ? Surely not !!!!!

Jjjjjjjbarry · 09-05-2016 02:02PM

Very disappointing finish to yesterday's game but once the final whistle goes that's it as far as I'm concerned. The ref didn't make us blow a 6 point lead in each half and we need to park that stuff now. Great to hear Curran thinking that way in his post match interview.

Fantastic game and credit to Clare for coming back twice.
Great performances from Waterford all over the field. Hopefully this loss in a game they know they could have won will spur this team on to greater things and make them hungrier for the championship.

Déise abú!!

O Riain · 09-05-2016 03:30PM

STIG83 wrote: »

deiseach wrote: »

You leave it. Life's too short.

Fuking tramp!! And I say she was never to a game in her life!!

You only get it from the people who show up once in a blue moo. I got it at the Limerick game in 2007 aswell, it was shocking stuff.

STIG83 · 09-05-2016 03:38PM

O Riain wrote: »

You only get it from the people who show up once in a blue moo. I got it at the Limerick game in 2007 aswell, it was shocking stuff.

No need for it really, there is banter eg. Waterford playing KK, winding each other up before a match. All in good spirit.
Then there is nasty low lifes like that Clare supporter yesterday.
I always liked to see Clare do well, I didn't begrudge them in 2013.
Was happy with Waterford minors winning the Al.

Might end up changing my mind on Clare now

SAMTALK · 09-05-2016 04:12PM

skaface wrote: »

Never so dissappointed after a match as I was today leaving Thurles..
Referee was a disgrace, and in being so cost us
Back to back League titles..
In saying all this, we were Six points up twice during the game ( same last week) and couldn't
Close out the game..
Poor decision making on AND off the field cost us dearly today..
Why was Tom Devine taken off , when he was causing havoc with the Clare defence..
Also, when Brick was called ashore, we had no one to win a high ball in the forward line.. Maurice should have come on sooner IMO..
Hopefully lessons will have been learned today,
But we need to start closing out games and getting cuter on the field.
We should have won this game today, no if,s or buts.. Titles are hard to come by, we don't want to be saying in seven or eight years time - they were a great team, very unlucky not to win.an All Ireland.. We've had that with the Marquee team of the last fifteen years..
Time to start learning from.our mistakes.. Starting on June 5th... Rant over : -)
UP THE DEISE

Which reason lost Waterford the match?
Neutral here and a supporter of both Clare and Waterford.

Waterford were the better team for most of the match to be honest but took the foot off too soon and as we all know Clare are a team that will NEVER give up.

6 points up and Waterford couldnt finish it off and I dont see how ref is getting all the blame, he didnt give Clare 7 points to win the match

PTH2009 · 09-05-2016 04:30PM

The point Gleeson missed near the end which everyone around me though was gone over kind of turned the momentum to Clare

A small percentage of Clare supporters are wild and some of the shourest winners I've seen and stuff like that Clare supporters taunting the Waterford guy would make ur blood boil (no place for soccer fan like antics in gaa). Davy is not saint either but apparently it's on field persona and he's get carried away (remember the 2011 Munster semi incident when he was in charge of us ??)

I'd love to beat them more than Kilkenny or Tipp in the championship

Could the qualifiers route suite us more or better going for Munster silverware ???

buck65 · 09-05-2016 04:44PM

From a Clare supporter best of luck in the Chship. There are dicks in every county and by god I've met them. You have a fine team with a good solid manager who has obviously got very tasty fingers and a great squad of dedicated players. Nothing between the two teams and if we go out I would love to see ye win an All Ireland

letsseehere14 · 09-05-2016 06:54PM

PTH2009 wrote:

A small percentage of Clare supporters are wild and some of the shourest winners I've seen and stuff like that Clare supporters taunting the Waterford guy would make ur blood boil (no place for soccer fan like antics in gaa). Davy is not saint either but apparently it's on field persona and he's get carried away (remember the 2011 Munster semi incident when he was in charge of us ??)

It's not "soccer fan like antics" it's just bad fan antics. What is this GAA inferiority complex that needs people to campare other sports good or bad! Over the years iv seen fans from practically ever big hurling county act like this. I was ashamed of some of the behaviour of so called Limerick fans before the match in the Gaelic Grounds last year. There are bad winners and bad losers in every county and results like yesterday brings them out even more than usual.

meathhurler48 · 09-05-2016 07:16PM

We have history with this ref. going back to an u-21 v Tipp in Thurles. We suffered at his hands all evening. Owen Whelan came on at half-time. He lasted 10 minutes before two yellows for harmless frees had him back in the dugout. Despite this we were only 2 points down entering injury time. Maurice was charging into the square looking for a winning goal with three Tipp backs hanging out of him. Instead of a penalty Mr. Kiwani gave a free out. Tipp got a last minute goal to run out winners by five.
On our way out of the Kinnane Stand a few Tipp. supporters apologised and said that they didn't want to win games based on totally biased refereeing.
When I saw his name pop up last week I had serious forebodings and I wasn't wrong. Funny thing is that, I could be wrong on this, I thought that Kirwan was removed from the senior refs panel two years ago.
At any level Waterford should refuse to accept him as a referee in the future.

tomwaterford · 09-05-2016 07:22PM

meathhurler48 wrote: »

We have history with this ref. going back to an u-21 v Tipp in Thurles. We suffered at his hands all evening. Owen Whelan came on at half-time. He lasted 10 minutes before two yellows for harmless frees had him back in the dugout. Despite this we were only 2 points down entering injury time. Maurice was charging into the square looking for a winning goal with three Tipp backs hanging out of him. Instead of a penalty Mr. Kiwani gave a free out. Tipp got a last minute goal to run out winners by five.
On our way out of the Kinnane Stand a few Tipp. supporters apologised and said that they didn't want to win games based on totally biased refereeing.
When I saw his name pop up last week I had serious forebodings and I wasn't wrong. Funny thing is that, I could be wrong on this, I thought that Kirwan was removed from the senior refs panel two years ago.
At any level Waterford should refuse to accept him as a referee in the future.

Is this the same reff tipp had serious issues with going back to 2009 all Ireland v kk

PTH2009 · 09-05-2016 07:37PM

letsseehere14 wrote: »

It's not "soccer fan like antics" it's just bad fan antics. What is this GAA inferiority complex that needs people to campare other sports good or bad! Over the years iv seen fans from practically ever big hurling county act like this. I was ashamed of some of the behaviour of so called Limerick fans before the match in the Gaelic Grounds last year. There are bad winners and bad losers in every county and results like yesterday brings them out even more than usual.

The lads going on the local pub buses drinking cans since 9 in the morning will be back in force come championship time . Never went on any drinking busses although it sounds likes fun it never really appealed to me to get legless before a 4pm throw-in.

rebel girl 15 · 09-05-2016 07:55PM

Goldfinger banned - second ban today we've had as a result of this match. Play nice or don't play at all

carter10 · 09-05-2016 09:11PM

meathhurler48 wrote: »

We have history with this ref. going back to an u-21 v Tipp in Thurles. We suffered at his hands all evening. Owen Whelan came on at half-time. He lasted 10 minutes before two yellows for harmless frees had him back in the dugout. Despite this we were only 2 points down entering injury time. Maurice was charging into the square looking for a winning goal with three Tipp backs hanging out of him. Instead of a penalty Mr. Kiwani gave a free out. Tipp got a last minute goal to run out winners by five.
On our way out of the Kinnane Stand a few Tipp. supporters apologised and said that they didn't want to win games based on totally biased refereeing.
When I saw his name pop up last week I had serious forebodings and I wasn't wrong. Funny thing is that, I could be wrong on this, I thought that Kirwan was removed from the senior refs panel two years ago.
At any level Waterford should refuse to accept him as a referee in the future.

Was at that game and indeed it was one of the worst reffing performances i've seen but I thought it was Sexton who reffed that not Kirwan. Also think Giveitfong wrote a good report on that game and the many bad decisions by the ref ( I could be wrong on both counts)

skaface · 09-05-2016 09:15PM

SAMTALK wrote: »

Which reason lost Waterford the match?
Neutral here and a supporter of both Clare and Waterford.

Waterford were the better team for most of the match to be honest but took the foot off too soon and as we all know Clare are a team that will NEVER give up.

6 points up and Waterford couldnt finish it off and I dont see how ref is getting all the blame, he didnt give Clare 7 points to win the match

I think the second .. In both games we failed to close out the game when we were ahead by Six..
We need to address this if we are to Win.an All lreland.. We must get ruthless on the field of play and start putting teams away.. If KK were ahead by six, they would win by ten.. Much to ponder on for next few weeks.
PS. The Ref was piss poor as well ;-)

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