Has PC gone too far?

Dyr · 06-05-2016 11:45AM

Her culture?

The spartans, those slave owning, war mongering white devil europeans wore dreadlocks

The Africans Rastafarians didn't pick up on em till this century

One thing worse than a self righteous c**t is a self righteous c**t who didn't even bother checking her facts.

The Backwards Man · 06-05-2016 11:51AM

It's very easy to judge a person that is obsessed by 'PC'and 'free speech'.

It's a lot more difficult for them to prove you wrong.

Dr Crayfish · 06-05-2016 11:54AM

Sgt Hartman wrote: »

This poison has become rampant in colleges throughout the USA. Apparently, according to their warped logic, white people are at the top of the so-called "priviledge" scale in society so therefore it's impossiblle to be racist against them. This type of sh!te is slowly creeping into institutions here also.

What are you talking about? Have you ever been to the USA? It's plainly obvious to see segregation amongst blacks and whites. In some cities it's just ridiculous. I was in parts of Indiana a couple of years ago and it was like I stumbled into South Africa.
I wouldn't blame black people in America for being angry with the establishment and the white man after all they've been through.

The Randy Riverbeast · 06-05-2016 11:54AM

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Tbh I find the outrage over "PC" stuff worse.

This video is a prime example. You have some idiot make some idiotic point that white men shouldn't have dreadlocks. Nobody agrees with her, yet you have people falling over themselves to be outraged *at* her.

Its the same on twitter or pretty much anywhere - you are more likely to be overwhelmed by people saying stuff like "Its PC gone mad" - in reality its one woman voicing a stupid opinion with very little support and suddenly people feel the sky is falling - give me a break!

It's like the horseshoe theory. These people get triggered at the thought of another person being what they view as PC and they get outraged. Like in this example it's an idiot who you'll find few people agreeing with. A member of the KKK saying something isn't racism gone mad, it's just a bunch of white supremacists that few people take seriously.

Potatoeman · 06-05-2016 11:59AM

Shenshen wrote: »

When did politeness or PC become a right?
You still have the right to say what you like, and other people have the right to call you rude or un-PC for it.
If you're that thick-skinned, why take offense at that?

It's the nonplatforming and shutting down of debate that seems to be growing around it that many people have issues with.

NoviGlitzko · 06-05-2016 12:03PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Yeah, and yet when it's this way around it made international headlines. It's so unfair.

http://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/black-san-francisco-student-filmed-harassing-white-student-because-of-his-dreadlocks-in-cultural-a6959181.html

Thanks, I missed that. Appreciate the sarcasm.

Main point still stands.

Shenshen · 06-05-2016 12:08PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

It's the nonplatforming and shutting down of debate that seems to be growing around it that many people have issues with.

Considering that the video you linked cause quite some outrage, with a large number of people voicing their disagreement with the lady online, how exactly would you define "shutting down of debate"?

Speedwell · 06-05-2016 12:18PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

The 'your rights end where my feelings begin' answer. It's very shortsighted and can be used against the same people that use it.

Really, I can't see where you object to "people should be kind and tolerant toward each other" or where you got a mean thing like that shortsighted, unkind, intolerant statement out of it.

Little CuChulainn · 06-05-2016 12:23PM

It's gone pretty crazy ion the U.S. Racial equality groups have started demanded safe spaces in universities where people of colour don't have to worry about seeing a white person that might be racist. That's right, segregation is now the new equality. They've also redefined the word racist so that it only applies to white people. It's gone so bad that groups are turning on each other. Trans people are turning on the gay community because they are more accepted in todays society. Black women are turning on white women in feminist groups because they have it much harder than a white person.

LDN_Irish · 06-05-2016 12:28PM

NoviGlitzko wrote: »

Thanks, I missed that. Appreciate the sarcasm.

Main point still stands.

What's the double standard you alluded to in your main point? The tiny amount of people (mostly in the US) who have tried to redefine racism so that ethnic minorities can't be racist? I find that irritating too. But for a sense of perspective, they are a statistically tiny amount of people and it really doesn't affect us here in Ireland at all. If a black person attacks you for being white they will be charged with a racially motivated attack the exact same way as if the situation was reversed. If you go for a job and are discriminated against for being white, you will be afforded the same protection as if the situation is reversed.

So it's not like any of us are actually suffering from this double standard.

Turtyturd · 06-05-2016 12:29PM

My OH told me about an interview where Will.i.am referred to himself as the 'black Tony Stark', he needs to stop appropriating our white fictional characters.

Speedwell · 06-05-2016 12:31PM

Even in the US, racism is something done by a person belonging to a privileged race to a person who is not of the privileged race. The condition of privilege is intrinsic to the definition of racism, sexism, and so forth. A person of less or no privilege acting badly to a person of higher privilege is still being unkind and intolerant, but it is not strictly speaking what is thought of when knowledgeable and educated people use the term "racism".

Potatoeman · 06-05-2016 12:35PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Considering that the video you linked cause quite some outrage, with a large number of people voicing their disagreement with the lady online, how exactly would you define "shutting down of debate"?

That's in the wider context. In this case its telling people how they can style their hair.

LDN_Irish · 06-05-2016 12:36PM

Speedwell wrote: »

Even in the US, racism is something done by a person belonging to a privileged race to a person who is not of the privileged race. The condition of privilege is intrinsic to the definition of racism, sexism, and so forth. A person of less or no privilege acting badly to a person of higher privilege is still being unkind and intolerant, but it is not strictly speaking what is thought of when knowledgeable and educated people use the term "racism".

Overeducated people maybe. I'd wager if you asked "can ethnic minorities be racist towards the dominant group in society?" With a poll on any mainstream forum across Europe or even the US, the vast majority of peolle would select "yes." It's a ridiculous redefinition that increases division in society and actually gives people something to point at and say "it's one rule for them and another for us." It has no positive purpose.

Speedwell · 06-05-2016 12:38PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Overeducated people maybe. I'd wager if you asked "can ethnic minorities be racist towards the dominant group in society?" With a poll on any mainstream forum across Europe or even the US, the vast majority of peolle would select "yes." It's a ridiculous redefinition that increases division in society and actually gives people something to point at and say "it's one rule for them and another for us." It has no positive purpose.

Who calls people "overeducated"? Oh, right.

If polls changed the meaning of things, the dictionary and the law code would be Wikis.

e_e · 06-05-2016 12:39PM

I don't think PC has gone far enough tbh. Sure we have 4K, virtual reality and some crazy multi-monitor setups but the sky's the limit tbh.

NoviGlitzko · 06-05-2016 12:44PM

LDN_Irish wrote: »

So it's not like any of us are actually suffering from this double standard.

So what if I'm not? Does that not entitle me to an opinion? I see it plenty online, in music, & sometimes in news. This is probably (I'm not sure) the only time I've seen a news story about black on white racism. I can't recall the stories over the years but this has certainly not been an isolated incident. Remember rap back in the 80's & 90's? African-Americans could talk about killing white people without any repercussions because of bygone times.

True it is a very small minority, and thankfully I haven't seen it in this country.

Little CuChulainn · 06-05-2016 12:54PM

Speedwell wrote: »

Even in the US, racism is something done by a person belonging to a privileged race to a person who is not of the privileged race. The condition of privilege is intrinsic to the definition of racism, sexism, and so forth. A person of less or no privilege acting badly to a person of higher privilege is still being unkind and intolerant, but it is not strictly speaking what is thought of when knowledgeable and educated people use the term "racism".

Who decides who has the greater privilege?

smash · 06-05-2016 12:55PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Who decides who has the greater privilege?

The delusional

Red King · 06-05-2016 12:57PM

There is far too much pandering to vocal minority groups with "special snowflake" syndrome who want to divide up the world into "safe spaces" and "judgement free zones".

This movement along with the believe that everyone has a right to not be offended is resulting in widespread censorship of speech and indeed self censorship out of fear of being accused of all manner of daft things.

It is a kind of fascism that is rampaging out of control on university campuses in the US and increasingly spreading over here.

These people should be ignored.

Little CuChulainn · 06-05-2016 12:57PM

Speedwell wrote: »

If polls changed the meaning of things, the dictionary and the law code would be Wikis.

But the dictionary definition of racist mentions nothing about privilege. Yet you are happy enough to take it to mean something popularised by minority groups.

LDN_Irish · 06-05-2016 12:58PM

Speedwell wrote: »

Who calls people "overeducated"? Oh, right.

If polls changed the meaning of things, the dictionary and the law code would be Wikis.

It's not me or the poll changing the meaning of things. It's university professors and you falling in line. The definition of racism is not "racism + power/privilege" regardless of how many people insist it is, since they learned it in their sociology course (as I did) and quickly fell in line.

This is exactly what people are talking about when they talk about "double standards" and it's completely counterproductive and divisive.

LDN_Irish · 06-05-2016 01:00PM

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

But the dictionary definition of racist mentions nothing about privilege. Yet you are happy enough to take it to mean something popularised by minority groups.

It's not "minority groups" who have popularised it. It's American university professors.

Eugene Norman · 06-05-2016 01:08PM

Speedwell wrote: »

Even in the US, racism is something done by a person belonging to a privileged race to a person who is not of the privileged race. The condition of privilege is intrinsic to the definition of racism, sexism, and so forth. A person of less or no privilege acting badly to a person of higher privilege is still being unkind and intolerant, but it is not strictly speaking what is thought of when knowledgeable and educated people use the term "racism".

That's nonsense of course because it ignores that privilege is more than race. It's not like Obama or his offspring are less privileged than the working class whites. Or that privilege is static. And of course American privilege is largely ignored in all of these discussions.

Whiteness, as defined by yank imperialistic ideologies serves to blame people outside the empire (the whites) for supremacy when the supremacy is American.

The Rape of Lucretia · 06-05-2016 01:14PM

It sure has. PC should be abolished.

What we need is a world wide campaign against 'Taking Offence'.

The world would be a better place if people could give up indulging themselves in being offended.

PC would then be a non issue.

H3llR4iser · 06-05-2016 01:15PM

PC gone too far? By all means. Although "freedom of speech" is often misunderstood as "freedom of being a thundering ignorant arsehole", it does look like today one can't express any idea without somebody getting their mushy, soft feely feelings hurt.

That said, I had watched that clip a long time ago and I'm not sure it does deal with the matter - I get a very curious vibe from the girl. Her body language is very conflicting with what the video is said to depict - she smiles all the time, doesn't get worked up and actually it looks like she tries to pull as close as she can to the guy.

It almost looks like she actually likes him and was making an incredibly clumsy and ill advised attempt at striking up conversation, to which the guy (who honestly seems to be a massive tw@t, gesturing like he was rapping and the likes) overreacted nuclearly.

DrumSteve · 06-05-2016 01:19PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

PC gone too far? By all means. Although "freedom of speech" is often misunderstood as "freedom of being a thundering ignorant arsehole", it does look like today one can't express any idea without somebody getting their mushy, soft feely feelings hurt.

That said, I had watched that clip a long time ago and I'm not sure it does deal with the matter - I get a very curious vibe from the girl. Her body language is very conflicting with what the video is said to depict - she smiles all the time, doesn't get worked up and actually it looks like she tries to pull as close as she can to the guy.

It almost looks like she actually likes him and was making an incredibly clumsy and ill advised attempt at striking up conversation, to which the guy (who honestly seems to be a massive tw@t, gesturing like he was rapping and the likes) overreacted nuclearly.

Ah the ol' "cultural appropriation" chat up line.

Works every time.

e_e · 06-05-2016 01:19PM

Red King wrote: »

"There is far too much pandering to vocal minority groups with "special snowflake" syndrome who want to divide up the world into "safe spaces" and "judgement free zones".

This movement along with the believe that everyone has a right to not be offended is resulting in widespread censorship of speech and indeed self censorship out of fear of being accused of all manner of daft things.

It is a kind of fascism that is rampaging out of control on university campuses in the US and increasingly spreading over here. "

These people should be ignored.

I agree, this vague conspiratorial waffle should be ignored. We shouldn't worry about such ridiculousness.

RWCNT · 06-05-2016 02:09PM

The whole "A minority can't be racist towards the dominant majority" thing is referring to institutional and structural racism.

I don't know why the people making these statements don't clarify that more often.

B.A._Baracus · 06-05-2016 02:12PM

Do people reckon it's actually social media pushing this whole pc thing or even other nonsense over the last couple of years?

Has PC gone too far?

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