Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

whelan2 · 05-05-2016 08:30PM

browned wrote: »

The jist was the income for an 80 cow herd in the summer months is €11,500 per month
Fert plus ration comes to €6,000
Living exp €3,000 ( wife 2 kids)
So basically €2,500 to pay bills repayments etc.
cut ration from 4 to 2 kgs for mag, mop up bull costs 2,000 to bull 20-30 cows. Ai would be €200-400.

Heard of a lad today bought a 14mth old hereford bull for 2800 to run with his cows as it would be cheaper than ai:eek: you'd get alot of ai for 2800. Cant see a 14 month old bull being able to bull all cows

Water John · 05-05-2016 08:30PM

Kowtow,like a legal person of my acquaintance said in another situation, 'its like trying to wrestle with a barrel of eels'.

Dawggone · 05-05-2016 08:32PM

I see that the tone/morale of Boards.ie on dairying has taken another dip...

1.Duck and dive.
2.Turn everything on its head...just because you've always done something in a certain way, doesn't mean it's the correct way.
3.If cash flow is going to be challenged, immediately go and sort something with your suppliers/services etc.
4.Do a budget and then stress test for a 20/18/16cpl milk price.

Im assuming that you've already cut all the 'low hanging fruit' savings wise, but remember don't put your business in a situation where you can't take the big/huge/massive opportunity that will inevitably come your way...

Now, way back when it was all hubris and happy days on here about dairying, I was the doomsayer...now I'm the optimist! If you survive this you'll come out the other side leaner and meaner.

Welcome to the reality of farming without quota.

kevthegaff · 05-05-2016 08:46PM

What is the price at glanbia inc top ups, I'm pretty confused!

whelan2 · 05-05-2016 08:58PM

kevthegaff wrote: »

What is the price at glanbia inc top ups, I'm pretty confused!

24cpl

browned · 05-05-2016 09:15PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Heard of a lad today bought a 14mth old hereford bull for 2800 to run with his cows as it would be cheaper than ai:eek: you'd get alot of ai for 2800. Cant see a 14 month old bull being able to bull all cows

I might be completely wrong but I thought with beef Bulls at least a lot of the 2nd and 3rd repeats were free but for the call out charge.

rangler1 · 05-05-2016 09:20PM

Water John wrote: »

Its exactly IFA's job Rangler to know the mix of product each processor has.
To know exactly what are the prices in the marketplace of those products.

The processor won't divulge to the IFA. Never asked them to. There are stats compiled by CSO, Central Bank, etc. Plenty of European data.
Most of us don't have the time to be collating these, but staff in IFA and indeed ICMSA should see these as the basic core tools of their job.
But I know they have never done this.

Without a comprehensive dossier, what business has Sean O'Leary or any one like him, going toe to toe with a milk processor.
If you haven't the information, your spoofing and worse, those across the table know your spoofing.

If you ever sat through one of Catherine Lascurettes presentation, you'd get all that rubbish. It's a real ass scorcher with graphs etc......most boring meeting of the year, I'd be well sick before there'd be any conclusion,
You think knowing all that data will raise the price

Water John · 05-05-2016 09:25PM

I don't think you were paying much attention in that class, Rangler.
Whatever she presented, I can tell you it did not contain what I listed earlier.

My point is, that the IFA had not done that detailed work and relate back to the individual processor and I stand over that statement.

mahoney_j · 05-05-2016 09:36PM

whelan2 wrote: »

24cpl

22 c plus Ornua 1 cent plus top up 1 cent .base price 24 if shared up solids paid off 22 cent base tho .much prefer our pricing Kev .24.6 base plus solids standard

rangler1 · 05-05-2016 09:57PM

Water John wrote: »

I don't think you were paying much attention in that class, Rangler.
Whatever she presented, I can tell you it did not contain what I listed earlier.

My point is, that the IFA had not done that detailed work and relate back to the individual processor and I stand over that statement.

You're being governed by the market now and you're producing too much milk...doesn't take a genius to see that.
Knowing where the various products are going is unlikely to improve that, probably make it worse in that every farmer would have a different idea on where they should be going.
You seem to imply that the processors aren't targetting the right markets.
Will undercutting other Irish processors get them into these right markets.

Farmer Ed · 05-05-2016 10:15PM

rangler1 wrote: »

If you ever sat through one of Catherine Lascurettes presentation, you'd get all that rubbish. It's a real ass scorcher with graphs etc......most boring meeting of the year, I'd be well sick before there'd be any conclusion,
You think knowing all that data will raise the price

Did she break it down as to what co ops produced what or who were most dependent on commoditys? If you found it too boring or couldn't understand it. Don't you think you were doing the farmers you were supposed to be representing a disservice?
I think it is not an unfair observation to say based on your atatuite alone. That IFAs position is they place their full trust and confidence in our processors.

Water John · 05-05-2016 10:15PM

Rangler, I'm not talking about the bag of SMP this week.
I'm talking of medium and long term strategy of each processor and where it has led its suppliers over time.
The positioning of each processor is getting their reward especially now when things are under real pressure.

Some processors said, produce as much milk as you can, let the selling of it to us, the experts.
Some had only plans to produce more WMP and SMP and let Ornua shift it.
Who is suffering for that strategy, the farmers.

rangler1 · 05-05-2016 10:46PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Did she break it down as to what co ops produced what or who were most dependent on commoditys? If you found it too boring or couldn't understand it. Don't you think you were doing the farmers you were supposed to be representing a disservice?
I think it is not an unfair observation to say based on your atatuite alone. That IFAs position is they place their full trust and confidence in our processors.

If that was valuable information, why was there only about ten dairy farmers at the meeting in the middle of the county, do you think i say the farmers stay at home with the feet up the chimney just to annoy you.
If as Water John says, you all backed the wrong horse, is it time to be selling your milk north

Water John · 05-05-2016 10:51PM

I think we can take it, her information wasn't valuable.
Iv'e seen some of this stuff and I don't blame you for nodding off.

PPP aren't a substitute for knowledge and facts.

Would not disagree with you in looking at alternative processors.
But IFA and ICOS disagree on us having that choice. MSA's were great and in our interest we were told.

Farmer Ed · 05-05-2016 11:08PM

If I understand correctly Cathrine was giving lectures on dairying to sheep farmers. At least one such farmers only claim to fame was that a bull broke to his heifers and he ended up with a good Suckler quota and he sold land to the Nra.
No wonder Ifa policy on dairying is such a shambles.

Milked out · 05-05-2016 11:30PM

http://theglobaldairy.com/noticias/fonterra-farmer-council-on-verge-of-reform-plan-vote-46628/

rangler1 · 05-05-2016 11:35PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

If I understand correctly Cathrine was giving lectures on dairying to sheep farmers. At least one such farmers only claim to fame was that a bull broke to his heifers and he ended up with a good Suckler quota and he sold land to the Nra.
No wonder Ifa policy on dairying is such a shambles.

Your incessant whingeing is starting to get personal now.....even childish
County chairman has to let on to have an interest, chaired that meeting because the dairy rep couldn't make it.....wasn't he lucky.
Trying to pick holes in the management of a business when you haven't a clue is going nowhere, particularly on here and if you said some of your thoughts at a meeting, you'd be laughed outa the room

Farmer Ed · 05-05-2016 11:40PM

rangler1 wrote: »

Your incessant whingeing is starting to get personal now.....even childish
County chairman has to let on to have an interest, chaired that meeting because the dairy rep couldn't make it.....wasn't he lucky.
Trying to pick holes in the management of a business when you haven't a clue is going nowhere, particularly on here and if you said some of your thoughts at a meeting, you'd be laughed outa the room

Exactly "let on you had an interest"
What a joke

As I said before you make IFAs position of full conference in the management of our processors perfectly clear. Tip your hat to the Ceo and even hold his umbrella at the ploughing.

Water John · 05-05-2016 11:50PM

Milked Out, I thought we specialised in controlling whose on the Boards of our coops.
Once again, Fonterra will show us the way

rangler1 · 06-05-2016 07:57AM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Exactly "let on you had an interest"
What a joke

As I said before you make IFAs position of full conference in the management of our processors perfectly clear. Tip your hat to the Ceo and even hold his umbrella at the ploughing.

I thought i was great it be at the meeting at all, considering the way i despised the inequity of the quota system, and the way that drystock farmers in the real world had to compete with them.
Anyway the karma has swung in my favour for a while now, ewes lambed now, 20 or 30hrs/ week should do the work from now on, so I won't be worrying about the price of anything or who's creaming it either

Farmer Ed · 06-05-2016 08:23AM

rangler1 wrote: »

I thought i was great it be at the meeting at all, considering the way i despised the inequity of the quota system, and the way that drystock farmers in the real world had to compete with them.
Anyway the karma has swung in my favour for a while now, ewes lambed now, 20 or 30hrs/ week should do the work from now on, so I won't be worrying about the price of anything or who's creaming it either

Fair play Rangler. Better be born lucky than rich.

Willfarman · 06-05-2016 08:56AM

rangler1 wrote: »

I thought i was great it be at the meeting at all, considering the way i despised the inequity of the quota system, and the way that drystock farmers in the real world had to compete with them.
Anyway the karma has swung in my favour for a while now, ewes lambed now, 20 or 30hrs/ week should do the work from now on, so I won't be worrying about the price of anything or who's creaming it either

Poor milk price doesn't improve a moderate lamb price Rangler!! The bottom going out of a mans bucket doesn't put a bottom in yours..

But I am impressed with your unwavering Donald Trumph style defence of a farmers union that has achieved f all more in the last 20 years other than learn how to screw farmers and overpay pot bellied wind bags.

kevthegaff · 06-05-2016 09:20AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

22 c plus Ornua 1 cent plus top up 1 cent .base price 24 if shared up solids paid off 22 cent base tho .much prefer our pricing Kev .24.6 base plus solids standard

Are we holding for april

keep going · 06-05-2016 09:28AM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Fair play Rangler. Better be born lucky than rich.

One question ed I looked back over your posts and I cant see one question on actual farming not farm politics, do you like farming at all

Farmer Ed · 06-05-2016 10:06AM

keep going wrote: »

One question ed I looked back over your posts and I cant see one question on actual farming not farm politics, do you like farming at all

Just because I don't use boards to boast about my achievements doesn't really mean a whole lot. I love farming but don't like to be misrepresented by fat cats in suits honestly some farmers seem to have a fetish for overpaid paid people in suits.

rangler1 · 06-05-2016 10:11AM

Willfarman wrote: »

Poor milk price doesn't improve a moderate lamb price Rangler!! The bottom going out of a mans bucket doesn't put a bottom in yours..

But I am impressed with your unwavering Donald Trumph style defence of a farmers union that has achieved f all more in the last 20 years other than learn how to screw farmers and overpay pot bellied wind bags.

There's no one being screwed by IFA, if the organisation wasn't there since the recession started, the government would give us nothing, Any fool would see that department of health or the hse or pensions are more deserving of funding than agriculture, yet we get funding and allowances.
We were the only organisation that opposed flat rate SFP payment at the start and the shift of funds to eastern europe and see the way it finished.
Definitely stopped the exit of funds and slowed down the reduction of SFP on those that deserved it most
Unfortunately for the sick and the old, the noisy child (farmers) gets fed first

All of that for I suppose an average cost of €150 per farmer and no cost to i suppose 30000 other farmers.......again the price of a night out

Farmer Ed · 06-05-2016 10:30AM

rangler1 wrote: »

There's no one being screwed by IFA, if the organisation wasn't there since the recession started, the government would give us nothing, Any fool would see that department of health or the hse or pensions are more deserving of funding than agriculture, yet we get funding and allowances.
We were the only organisation that opposed flat rate SFP payment at the start and the shift of funds to eastern europe and see the way it finished.
Definitely stopped the exit of funds and slowed down the reduction of SFP on those that deserved it most
Unfortunately for the sick and the old, the noisy child (farmers) gets fed first

All of that for I suppose an average cost of €150 per farmer and no cost to i suppose 30000 other farmers.......again the price of a night out

But for IFA intervention. I think it is fair to say we would not have msas and farmers would now have independent milk testing and possibly co management may have been forced to be a bit more responsible when spending money that would ultimately have to come from farmers.
So where would we be without Ifa?
give us a break please.

whelan2 · 06-05-2016 10:50AM

This a milk price thread. Not another Ifa one.

Farmer Ed · 06-05-2016 11:04AM

whelan2 wrote: »

This a milk price thread. Not another Ifa one.

Totally agree but some sheep farmers feel the need to constantly defend the honour of Ifa. The discussion that brought us down this road is product mix and how it affects milk price? As farmers how well do we understand that?

kowtow · 06-05-2016 11:44AM

whelan2 wrote:

This a milk price thread. Not another Ifa one.

Amen.

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