Season 6 Episode 2 "Home" thread "Non book readers"

eeguy · 04-05-2016 02:23PM

DublinBust wrote: »

Because they were knew they'd have been missed at the meeting, and knew Thorne would be slicing them up soon; they were locking themselves up until back-up came. All of this is clearly expressed in the first episode.

Why would Thorne slice them up?

They were friends with Jon, but Jon was elected to the job, so they weren't alone. If they went to the initial meeting they would have been safe.

I thought the reason they chose not to go was to protect the body.

wp_rathead · 04-05-2016 02:29PM

eeguy wrote: »

Why would Thorne slice them up?

They were friends with Jon, but Jon was elected to the job, so they weren't alone. If they went to the initial meeting they would have been safe.

I thought the reason they chose not to go was to protect the body.

Rewatch episode 1
Davos said something along lines of "I know people like him my whole life, as soon as we open the door we will be killed"
Also Davos asked "Who can we trust? " and Edd replies "The People in this room"
Also notice all the crossbows aimed at the door?

DublinBust · 04-05-2016 02:32PM

eeguy wrote: »

Why would Thorne slice them up?

Rathead recommends you re-watch episode 1. I recommend you re-watch the entire series.

wp_rathead · 04-05-2016 02:36PM

Ah c'mon, No need to be an ass to the guy DublinBust

eeguy · 04-05-2016 02:39PM

DublinBust wrote: »

Rathead recommends you re-watch episode 1. I recommend you re-watch the entire series.

Hah, maybe so.

I thought Thorne just hated everyone. Didn't think he held a grudge for Jon's friends and Ser Davos, and would kill them for essentially following the Lord Commander's orders.

By staying in the room they opposed his command and marked themselves as traitors to the watch. But why would they stay in the room if they didn't think there was a chance Jon would be brought back.

Loyalty to a dead guy?

DublinBust · 04-05-2016 03:11PM

eeguy wrote: »

DublinBust wrote: »

Rathead recommends you re-watch episode 1. I recommend you re-watch the entire series.

Hah, maybe so.

I thought Thorne just hated everyone. Didn't think he held a grudge for Jon's friends and Ser Davos, and would kill them for essentially following the Lord Commander's orders.

By staying in the room they opposed his command and marked themselves as traitors to the watch. But why would they stay in the room if they didn't think there was a chance Jon would be brought back.

Loyalty to a dead guy?

Thorne made fairly serious threats again Sam and Gilly's safety because 'he was losing all his friends' last season. The Night's watch are 'thieves, rapers and murderers' and already murdered Mormont in Crasters for no good reason (#Trigger warning, not a book spoiler, just a few seasons ago now) That's what was meant by my comment Rathead... reported for needless personal insults.

Jayop · 04-05-2016 03:24PM

DublinBust wrote: »

A person asked a question, I answered it; how hard is that to understand?

I think it's you who struggles to understand. The charter for the forum is absolutely explicit about this.

The non book thread is for any user who wishes to discuss what happened in the TV show and ONLY the TV show; this means if you reference anything from the books, Westeros.org, the additional DVD lore content, interviews, what your dog told you etc. will lead you to get carded

Now seriously, whether someone asked a question or not, you DO NOT refer to the books in this thread. If you can't answer a question without referring to the books then guess what, there's a specific thread for that too.

wp_rathead · 04-05-2016 03:36PM

DublinBust wrote: »

(#Trigger warning, not a book spoiler, just a few seasons ago now) That's what was meant by my comment Rathead... reported for needless personal insults.

Ok
A) you don't need to tell someone that you reported them, rather petty

you were clearly in the wrong about referencing the book earlier - in this thread you are meant to pretend that the books don't exist

This is my first year that I've been in both threads and it was infuriating when book readers used to come in and reference the book's in the "non-book" thread. It's why there are so many stickys so to remind people

Mr E · 04-05-2016 04:07PM

Chill out, guys. This is "Non Book Readers", so no book spoilers or speculation please.
If you've read the books, you can't reference them here, end of story.

From the OP: This means book readers are allowed to post but they can not reference ANYTHING from the books.

Penn · 04-05-2016 04:16PM

The biggest difference between Joffrey and Ramsey is Joffrey was a sadistic sh*thead but could only act like that because of how he was born into a life of privilege. He relied on his position to act sadistic, never fully thinking about consequences.

Ramsey is sadistic through and through. Whether he had an army backing him up or just on his own, he's sadistic. But he does so in a calculated way, not just for pleasure, but also because of what he can gain from it. He'll consider the consequences and bide his time.

Makes Ramsey all the more dangerous and ultimately more sadistic than Joffrey could ever be.

Penny Dreadful · 04-05-2016 04:24PM

Penn wrote: »

The biggest difference between Joffrey and Ramsey is Joffrey was a sadistic sh*thead but could only act like that because of how he was born into a life of privilege. He relied on his position to act sadistic, never fully thinking about consequences.

Ramsey is sadistic through and through. Whether he had an army backing him up or just on his own, he's sadistic. But he does so in a calculated way, not just for pleasure, but also because of what he can gain from it. He'll consider the consequences and bide his time.

Makes Ramsey all the more dangerous and ultimately more sadistic than Joffrey could ever be.

I agree. Ramsey would have finished Joffrey off before breakfast and without breaking a sweat. He had a harder life that Joffrey I think and while his personality is that of an innate sadistic psycho I do think some of what he did in the past was motivated by a need to have his father's recognition, approval and ultimately acceptance.
Joffrey was always assured of his place in the world and his importance in it. He was never given any boundaries or discipline and that coupled with an unpleasent personality gave us the nasty little creep that he was. I think he would have been terrified of Ramsey.

JustShon · 04-05-2016 04:28PM

Penny Dreadful wrote: »

I agree. Ramsey would have finished Joffrey off before breakfast and without breaking a sweat. He had a harder life that Joffrey I think and while his personality is that of an innate sadistic psycho I do think some of what he did in the past was motivated by a need to have his father's recognition, approval and ultimately acceptance.
Joffrey was always assured of his place in the world and his importance in it. He was never given any boundaries or discipline and that coupled with an unpleasent personality gave us the nasty little creep that he was. I think he would have been terrified of Ramsey.

I agree about the need to have his father's recognition. Ramsey always seems a little on edge to me. He's always afraid of someone rising up against him or defying him, that's why he does such awful things to those who don't obey. He sees every little disobedience as a threat. At least that's how he comes off to me. He has a desperate need to assert his dominance.

Penny Dreadful · 04-05-2016 04:48PM

JustShon wrote: »

I agree about the need to have his father's recognition. Ramsey always seems a little on edge to me. He's always afraid of someone rising up against him or defying him, that's why he does such awful things to those who don't obey. He sees every little disobedience as a threat. At least that's how he comes off to me. He has a desperate need to assert his dominance.

I think if his father had assured him that Ramsey would still be his first born son in all the ways that mattered then he would have been a little more willing to a) let his father live and b) not kill the new baby. However, the baby was another threat and after Sansa leaving and Reek/Theon it was just too much and another failure.
I think his basic personality is a nasty piece of work though and the only person who actually "got" him was Miranda.

Mike Litoris · 04-05-2016 05:12PM

While Ramsey is no doubt way more evil and sadistic than Joffrey I enjoyed Joffreys character way more. Such an weak but evil, petulant, spolit little ****er. I think a lot of credit has to go to Jack Gleeson for his portayal. He's probably my favourite bad guy ever.

I was both delighted and devastated when he got it.

podgemonster · 04-05-2016 06:11PM

Would love to see how Joffrey would have reacted to the faith militant.

He was a cúnt but that shít would have been stamped out faster than one of Robert's bastards birthday candles.

seligehgit · 04-05-2016 06:19PM

podgemonster wrote: »

Would love to see how Joffrey would have reacted to the faith militant.

He was a cúnt but that shít would have been stamped out faster than one of Robert's bastards birthday candles.

He'd have done a damn sight better job than Tommen who has been a pathetic excuse for a king.

jebidiah · 04-05-2016 06:36PM

seligehgit wrote: »

He'd have done a damn sight better job than Tommen who has been a pathetic excuse for a king.

I actually think Tommen, with the help of his mammy might get a bit more maybe not evil but forceful.

His speech to Cersei was probably music to her ears. A little bit of Joffery in him will do him good!

flazio · 04-05-2016 07:54PM

jebidiah wrote: »

I actually think Tommen, with the help of his mammy might get a bit more maybe not evil but forceful.

His speech to Cersei was probably music to her ears. A little bit of Joffery in him will do him good!

Sure look how a little bit of Jamie in Cersei has done her the world of good.

CMOTDibbler · 04-05-2016 08:09PM

podgemonster wrote: »

Would love to see how Joffrey would have reacted to the faith militant.

He was a cúnt but that shít would have been stamped out faster than one of Robert's bastards birthday candles.

No, I think Joffrey would have stamped, missed and then have been confused by his failure.

mzungu · 04-05-2016 09:53PM

jebidiah wrote: »

I actually think Tommen, with the help of his mammy might get a bit more maybe not evil but forceful.

His speech to Cersei was probably music to her ears. A little bit of Joffery in him will do him good!

Cerisei's kids have the life expectancy of a Spinal Tap drummer. Poor Tommen won't be long for this world, not with heartfelt speeches like that!

golfball37 · 05-05-2016 08:26PM

Much better fare than ep 01.
Few observations;
The guy playing Ramsey just doesn't do it for me, he overacts and overdoes it, imo. Joffrey was far more believable and enjoyable.
Roose will be missed, Lord Tywin was never replaced and Bolton senior was the closest in terms of having his cunning cruelty mixed with political pragmatism. With Ramsey all we have is another pantomime villain.

My highlight was the relief on the face of the city watch guy when Cersei retreated back to her keep, knowing they didn't have to fight THAT.

Bran will be a very effective conduit to show Jons true origins via his flashbacks, writers deserve credit here.

Tyrion the dragon whisperer, I wonder will it come out that the mad King is his real father and that's why he can handle dragons?
I thought the Jon thing was handled well and Davos' interest was believable. I think he may just have woken up a la warg and he's now ghost, I hope I'm wrong though.
Oh and
Euron Greyjoy is Kashper Juul!!! We had Katrina make an appearance in hardhome last season, what odds Birgitte herself making an appearance?

Roar · 05-05-2016 09:41PM

mzungu wrote: »

Cerisei's kids have the life expectancy of a Spinal Tap drummer. Poor Tommen won't be long for this world, not with heartfelt speeches like that!

You can't really... dust for vomit

The Randy Riverbeast · 05-05-2016 10:10PM

mzungu wrote: »

Cerisei's kids have the life expectancy of a Spinal Tap drummer. Poor Tommen won't be long for this world, not with heartfelt speeches like that!

I think Cersei was told she would see them all die so it's only a matter of time.

duffman13 · 06-05-2016 03:32AM

It's really interesting to see what happens with Jon now he's woken. His last memories are getting butchered by the nightswatch, I wonder will he make a hasty exit from Castle black not realising the efforts of Davos and his friends.

lbj666 · 06-05-2016 09:32AM

duffman13 wrote: »

It's really interesting to see what happens with Jon now he's woken. His last memories are getting butchered by the nightswatch, I wonder will he make a hasty exit from Castle black not realising the efforts of Davos and his friends.

He's to throw some pant on first anyway

DublinBust · 06-05-2016 01:29PM

lbj666 wrote: »

duffman13 wrote: »

It's really interesting to see what happens with Jon now he's woken. His last memories are getting butchered by the nightswatch, I wonder will he make a hasty exit from Castle black not realising the efforts of Davos and his friends.

He's to throw some pant on first anyway

Not if Emilia Clarke has her way.

Robbo · 06-05-2016 04:35PM

Roar wrote: »

You can't really... dust for vomit

I'll bet on a bizarre gardening accident.

Season 6 Episode 2 "Home" thread "Non book readers"

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