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Farmer Ed · 01-05-2016 06:33PM

whelan2 wrote: »

Do you realistically think milk will ever be in the 40's again? Any way enough doom and gloom, am off out for our tea, 19 years married

Hopefully it will but it's the downright uncertainty of the situation and the fact that as farmers we seem to be at the bottom of the food chain that makes me worried. Most people who go to work every day expect to get paid for their work every day and not just sometimes. Otherwise it's just a form of gambling.

whelan2 · 01-05-2016 06:38PM

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Hopefully it will but it's the downright uncertainty of the situation and the fact that as farmers we seem to be at the bottom of the food chain that makes me worried. Most people who go to work every day expect to get paid for their work every day and not just sometimes. Otherwise it's just a form of gambling.

Was talking to my brother in law today, he has a good job with good terms, he was sayinghe has been on the same salary for the last 7 years. I had a bit of a rant that at least he knows what he's getting and when he is off

browned · 01-05-2016 06:49PM

Went oad this year. Think it'll allow me to milk into my 60's quite easily if that's what I choose.

RightTurnClyde · 01-05-2016 07:19PM

Dawggone wrote: »

On reading the posts here and everyone talking about the one man operation, I would strongly recommend that you take out a 'key man' insurance policy.

Very important, broke arm here last Sept, I was lucky with the time of year, and insurance covered basic labour. If it had been springtime I would be in trouble for the sake of an extra €80 on the annual premium. Lesson learned.

RightTurnClyde · 01-05-2016 07:29PM

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Milking cows or selling litres. Upped cow no.s by 15% and litres by 50% in the last year. Long lactation and breeding a cow that will respond to extra feed and calve every 365 days. There are more ways of killing a cat than choking him with butter.

One doesn't rule out the other. Upped cows by 35% to double production. Trying to get to 1500kgms on the whole farm as cheaply as possible. I was close last year and hoping to hit it this year.
But sadly Siobhan T has eaten into most of the increase. Running twice as fast to stand still

Timmaay · 01-05-2016 07:51PM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Very important, broke arm here last Sept, I was lucky with the time of year, and insurance covered basic labour. If it had been springtime I would be in trouble for the sake of an extra €80 on the annual premium. Lesson learned.

Steadily reduced my dad's and increased myown here over the last 3years. But talk of farm insurance going up also though uggghhh, I've already seen my car insurance nearly treble from 350 to 950 last week.

Dawggone · 01-05-2016 08:04PM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Very important, broke arm here last Sept, I was lucky with the time of year, and insurance covered basic labour. If it had been springtime I would be in trouble for the sake of an extra €80 on the annual premium. Lesson learned.

I'd advise going a little further.

Prolonged illness or incapacitation.
Replacement with top manager(s).
Further training/education of manager(s).
Consequential loss. Etc. etc.

These are pricey policies that often can't be dropped, but can also pay as a kinda retirement handshake.

awaywithyou · 01-05-2016 09:58PM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

One doesn't rule out the other. Upped cows by 35% to double production. Trying to get to 1500kgms on the whole farm as cheaply as possible. I was close last year and hoping to hit it this year.
But sadly Siobhan T has eaten into most of the increase. Running twice as fast to stand still

get used to it...

awaywithyou · 01-05-2016 09:59PM

Timmaay wrote: »

Steadily reduced my dad's and increased myown here over the last 3years. But talk of farm insurance going up also though uggghhh, I've already seen my car insurance nearly treble from 350 to 950 last week.

how did that happen??

awaywithyou · 01-05-2016 10:01PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

You mightn't have a choice.

Retirement age is heading upwards and will probably be 70 fairly soon.

I may just be doing mainly tractor work by then, and maybe a lot sooner, but I like being outdoors and doing something constructive rather than sitting inside doing Bingo and giving out about the 'young people these days....':)

there's a man bounding you that must be in his eighties.... he gets thru some amount of work everyday..... putting us all to shame

Water John · 01-05-2016 10:09PM

Good for him. I'm sure they will engrave that on his tombstone.

keep going · 01-05-2016 11:06PM

Water John wrote: »

Good for him. I'm sure they will engrave that on his tombstone.

So what if hes happy, as my u cle used to say if you are happy working you'll never work a day in your life

Water John · 01-05-2016 11:14PM

Good luck to him, I really mean that.
He's happy and that's fine. But it's not to be taken as what is expected, that farmers have to work until they drop.
That they have to work 100 hours a week to keep the farm afloat.
No better way to ensure young people would turn away from the land.

awaywithyou · 01-05-2016 11:18PM

Water John wrote: »

Good luck to him, I really mean that.
He's happy and that's fine. But it's not to be taken as what is expected, that farmers have to work until they drop.
That they have to work 100 hours a week to keep the farm afloat.
No better way to ensure young people would turn away from the land.

2 sons there and a farm manager as well.... He does more work than all of them put together....

Milked out · 02-05-2016 12:57AM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

kevthegaff wrote: »

2, 3 years of this malarkey will wean off a lot of lads, will be approaching 130 this year on my own. Going with flying herd once the rest of calves are moved on. Tough during the spring but hoping it will be worth it time/financially in the future.. if I had a bigger parlour I reckon could manage more but will see. As dawg says no tailpainting/Ai calves moved on quick, dehorning. Just didn't see it feasible getting another block for replacements, also 4 out of 37 not incalf last year and 3 losing spins so that just p""S's ed me off

As efficiency goes that model will be close to as good as it gets. One labour unit on owned land shoving 180 through, will be hard to beat financially. When it comes to buying replacements will you buy Springers or calved. There's another area you can help the labour situation and improve the ability to "duck and dive"
(Eg buying calved cows later in spring when you get a spring like thus ones)

The one chink in that setup is long term sustainability. Down the road, head into your 50s, it'll be hard going physically, but that's a while away.

You'll make money with that system

Add your reply here.

It's tb and associated risks that would stop me from considering the flying herd. Whatever it is we're never more than a couple of years without getting locked up. Any stock bought in when locked up would get no compensation and difficult to offload calves then as well. In the near term contract rearing is the way I could see myself reducing workload but then I go thinking would leasing and taking on someone full time spring part time rest of year be more straight forward than contract rearing as possibly be getting more value for the labour but I seem to be changing opinions on what to do going forward every day. Have to make a call in next 12 months tho

Bass Reeves · 02-05-2016 01:21AM

Water John wrote: »

Good for him. I'm sure they will engrave that on his tombstone.

TBH it is immaterial as long as you are happy at it. I see a lad at work separated from his wife, he is afraid to retire as she will get half of it. She is getting half of it anyway. As long as the grave stone is far away who gives a f@@k. Retirement is not all it is clapped up to be either. Look at Hillary Clinton she will be 69 by the time she is President if she is elected. What will they engrave on her tombstone and will she give a f@@k.

Water John wrote: »

Good luck to him, I really mean that.
He's happy and that's fine. But it's not to be taken as what is expected, that farmers have to work until they drop.
That they have to work 100 hours a week to keep the farm afloat.
No better way to ensure young people would turn away from the land.

No a lot of farmer do not have to It is a choice they make.. In reality it is a choice we all make. I could retire tomorrow........it is just I could not have the life style that I want. Lots of self employed people make that choice.

Farmer Ed · 02-05-2016 07:55AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

TBH it is immaterial as long as you are happy at it. I see a lad at work separated from his wife, he is afraid to retire as she will get half of it. She is getting half of it anyway. As long as the grave stone is far away who gives a f@@k. Retirement is not all it is clapped up to be either. Look at Hillary Clinton she will be 69 by the time she is President if she is elected. What will they engrave on her tombstone and will she give a f@@k.

No a lot of farmer do not have to It is a choice they make.. In reality it is a choice we all make. I could retire tomorrow........it is just I could not have the life style that I want. Lots of self employed people make that choice.

Yes true for the most part, but there are also some. Who to the outside world seam very successful but in reality have so much committed to farming financially that they can't get off the thread mill. I know one man who between himself and his two sons milk 300 cows. He will readily admit that sometimes he feels like a slave as the operation has to keep producing milk to make bank repayments. Im sure if he thought about it logically there is a way out. Just it's easy to get stuck in a rut

visatorro · 02-05-2016 08:17AM

Timmaay wrote: »

Steadily reduced my dad's and increased myown here over the last 3years. But talk of farm insurance going up also though uggghhh, I've already seen my car insurance nearly treble from 350 to 950 last week.

My car insurance stayed the same, with aviva. Have health insurance with them aswell which is a hefty policy aswell though.

kevthegaff · 02-05-2016 09:37AM

Milked out wrote: »

Add your reply here.

It's tb and associated risks that would stop me from considering the flying herd. Whatever it is we're never more than a couple of years without getting locked up. Any stock bought in when locked up would get no compensation and difficult to offload calves then as well. In the near term contract rearing is the way I could see myself reducing workload but then I go thinking would leasing and taking on someone full time spring part time rest of year be more straight forward than contract rearing as possibly be getting more value for the labour but I seem to be changing opinions on what to do going forward every day. Have to make a call in next 12 months tho

So any stock I buy in won't get compo? What's the time limit?

Milked out · 02-05-2016 09:44AM

kevthegaff wrote: »

Milked out wrote: »

Add your reply here.

It's tb and associated risks that would stop me from considering the flying herd. Whatever it is we're never more than a couple of years without getting locked up. Any stock bought in when locked up would get no compensation and difficult to offload calves then as well. In the near term contract rearing is the way I could see myself reducing workload but then I go thinking would leasing and taking on someone full time spring part time rest of year be more straight forward than contract rearing as possibly be getting more value for the labour but I seem to be changing opinions on what to do going forward every day. Have to make a call in next 12 months tho

So any stock I buy in won't get compo? What's the time limit?

Add your reply here.
That's if you're restricted and buy in stock the bought in stock won't be eligible for compo if they go down in next test. If you are not restricted the bought in stock are fine no issue if you go down in nearest test.

whelan2 · 02-05-2016 09:51AM

Milked out wrote: »

Add your reply here.

It's tb and associated risks that would stop me from considering the flying herd. Whatever it is we're never more than a couple of years without getting locked up. Any stock bought in when locked up would get no compensation and difficult to offload calves then as well. In the near term contract rearing is the way I could see myself reducing workload but then I go thinking would leasing and taking on someone full time spring part time rest of year be more straight forward than contract rearing as possibly be getting more value for the labour but I seem to be changing opinions on what to do going forward every day. Have to make a call in next 12 months tho

Johnes would be the main thing stopping me ever buying in again here.

mahoney_j · 02-05-2016 09:56AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Johnes would be the main thing stopping me ever buying in again here.

Thankfully I'm in a position where I have ample stock from now on .ill cull underperformers and sell milking stock,incalf heifers depending on weather ,feed ,how much grass I can grow and milk price .disease obviously is the big risk buying in and also the fact I'd find it hard to buy stock as good as I'd breed and rare myself

mf240 · 02-05-2016 10:20AM

Most older farmers are happy to tip away into there old age.

theres a local family that specialise in social welfare and obesity . they don't seem particulary happy .

Bass Reeves · 02-05-2016 10:23AM

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Originally Posted by RightTurnClyde View Post
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Originally Posted by kevthegaff View Post
2, 3 years of this malarkey will wean off a lot of lads, will be approaching 130 this year on my own. Going with flying herd once the rest of calves are moved on. Tough during the spring but hoping it will be worth it time/financially in the future.. if I had a bigger parlour I reckon could manage more but will see. As dawg says no tailpainting/Ai calves moved on quick, dehorning. Just didn't see it feasible getting another block for replacements, also 4 out of 37 not incalf last year and 3 losing spins so that just p""S's ed me off
As efficiency goes that model will be close to as good as it gets. One labour unit on owned land shoving 180 through, will be hard to beat financially. When it comes to buying replacements will you buy Springers or calved. There's another area you can help the labour situation and improve the ability to "duck and dive"
(Eg buying calved cows later in spring when you get a spring like thus ones)

The one chink in that setup is long term sustainability. Down the road, head into your 50s, it'll be hard going physically, but that's a while away.

You'll make money with that system

What type of beef bull do you intend running with the cows. I presume that all calves will be sold at 10 days. What happens if you are restricted when cows are calving

Willfarman · 02-05-2016 10:34AM

Did ye all see the 2 page cost cutting advise in in last weeks journal? "SAVE 15000"
sweet Jesus. Don't fence. 10 euro a cow. Don't spread nitrogen. 10 euro a cow. Don't fix machinery when it inevitably breaks down.. 10 euro a cow. Don't have a third pint of a Saturday night. 3 euro a cow.. And always ride the wife down the hill to save the welly boots... .005 euro a cow

Was it written by a transition year student or wtf

Water John · 02-05-2016 10:46AM

Yep, there is €15K you are just pi****g in the wind each year, you stupid farmer.
That's the short version.

BTW any further info on the bull making a key contribution to TB resistance.
The figures suggested were remarkable.

jaymla627 · 02-05-2016 11:23AM

Water John wrote: »

Yep, there is €15K you are just pi****g in the wind each year, you stupid farmer.
That's the short version.

BTW any further info on the bull making a key contribution to TB resistance.
The figures suggested were remarkable.

Well backed up figures in England in tb hot zones, semex showed figures where certain bulls daughter that where if immunity plus sires, got through a severe tb outbreak in one herd with one out of 50 only going down, while other bulls daughters had 60-70% show up as reactors....
Don't count on ai companies here pushing it health traits don't bump up bulls ebi enough so they really couldn't give a flying f**k researching it

browned · 02-05-2016 11:37AM

Willfarman wrote: »

Did ye all see the 2 page cost cutting advise in in last weeks journal? "SAVE 15000"
sweet Jesus. Don't fence. 10 euro a cow. Don't spread nitrogen. 10 euro a cow. Don't fix machinery when it inevitably breaks down.. 10 euro a cow. Don't have a third pint of a Saturday night. 3 euro a cow.. And always ride the wife down the hill to save the welly boots... .005 euro a cow

Was it written by a transition year student or wtf

I don't see the issue with the article. As far as I understood the cost savings were suggested by a discussion group.

kowtow · 02-05-2016 12:17PM

browned wrote:

I don't see the issue with the article. As far as I understood the cost savings were suggested by a discussion group.

For the few years I have been reading it the journal has contained endless "make an extra xyz per cow" mostly AFAIK containing the same list of tips which that article contained..

They certainly didn't have an article saying "waste 15k per year with the following optional extras" in amongst the how to borrow more for a shed special focuses.

So I'm a bit bemused, I thought we were pretty fine tuned as producers, I didn't realise that half the stuff we were doing religiously was just for sh##ts and giggles.

Why don't they have an article aimed at co-ops entitled "get real, your not a wall Street hot shot, your a man in a cheap suit who works in Mitchelstown"

It could contain a list of optional things not to spend farmers money on.

fepper · 02-05-2016 12:21PM

Milked out wrote: »

Add your reply here.
That's if you're restricted and buy in stock the bought in stock won't be eligible for compo if they go down in next test. If you are not restricted the bought in stock are fine no issue if you go down in nearest test.

What's this craic of you starting ur text with " ADD YOUR REPLY HERE"?

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