Season 6 Episode 1 The Red Woman thread "Book readers"

Nerdlingr · 26-04-2016 10:45AM

intheclouds wrote: »

I just presumed the dogs legged it once their handler was killed - they were bloodhounds, not rottweilers.

Pod fighting on horseback? Sure hasnt Brienne been training him morning and evening for weeks now?

Sandsnakes on the boat - I just presumed they had followed in a little boat.

The ring was in the centre of the trodden down grass where the Dothraki had circled Dani.

I know all that. Its just the small things annoyed me is all.
Jorah standing in the exact spot she dropped the ring. "oh look, whats this in the grass?!!".
Pod, even with training, beating one of Ramsey's best men on horseback.
The Sandsnakes following in a little boat all the way to Kings Landing??!!!

Michael D Not Higgins · 26-04-2016 10:45AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

Cant believe they killed off Doran and Areo Hotah just like that. Hotah getting stabbed in the back by that sh*tty sandsnake ?? come on! He never got to use that big f*ck off axe of his. Really disappointed with their deaths, or moreso the way they died...especially Hotah...without a fight.

And they could have easily done it differently. They implied the other guards were supporting them, so it could have been that Doran was killed and Hotah goes out with a flourish, taking down a half dozen men before he's suppressed.

Nerdlingr · 26-04-2016 10:48AM

awec wrote: »

He found the ring cause it was in the middle of the circle where the hoofs of the horses had trodden down the grass.

Yeah but he gets off his horse, stands in the exact spot and sees the ring just like that. There were thousands of Dothraki and not one of them rode over that green patch where Danys had been standing???

I know plot wise it has to happen like that but just thought it was a bit too convenient.

galljga1 · 26-04-2016 10:58AM

intheclouds wrote: »

I just presumed the dogs legged it once their handler was killed - they were bloodhounds, not rottweilers.

Pod fighting on horseback? Sure hasnt Brienne been training him morning and evening for weeks now?

Sandsnakes on the boat - I just presumed they had followed in a little boat.

The ring was in the centre of the trodden down grass where the Dothraki had circled Dani.

Didn't Theon not say something like: I have seen what these hounds do to a person. The implication would be that they are fierce. Then they just p1ss off?

intheclouds · 26-04-2016 11:00AM

Nerdlingr wrote: »

I know all that. Its just the small things annoyed me is all.
Jorah standing in the exact spot she dropped the ring. "oh look, whats this in the grass?!!".
Pod, even with training, beating one of Ramsey's best men on horseback.
The Sandsnakes following in a little boat all the way to Kings Landing??!!!

But it was only a small circle of untrodden grass. And Jorah is supposed to have tracking skills.

I was happy enough with Pod tbh, I mean he is old enough to know how to swing a sword and he has been getting training.

Yeah, the sandsnakes is the most unbelievable bit really. Even if they followed on a small boat, surely they would have been seen? Plus, a small boat could never get there as fast as a bigger boat. Unless they went overland? Could they have done that?

sipsoo2004 · 26-04-2016 11:04AM

Really enjoyed the episode as the body count has started to pile up already, even though its only the first season

Michael D Not Higgins · 26-04-2016 11:29AM

galljga1 wrote: »

Didn't Theon not say something like: I have seen what these hounds do to a person. The implication would be that they are fierce. Then they just p1ss off?

It's likely they sent the less aggressive dogs to find Sansa so they wouldn't harm her. They do need a Stark to cement their leadership of the North.

intheclouds · 26-04-2016 11:47AM

galljga1 wrote: »

Didn't Theon not say something like: I have seen what these hounds do to a person. The implication would be that they are fierce. Then they just p1ss off?

Yeah, but thats why I made the point earlier - Theon saw the Rottweiler dogs tear someone apart.

But the dogs they had last night were just ordinary tracking bloodhounds. Not rottweilers.

26-04-2016 11:53AM

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

However,

How about some mutton?

A great scene. Davos' way of finding out if Thorne and the rest of the watch really mean to let them free if the door was opened. With winter set in, and food scarce there's not a hope in hell they'd agree to give him food as good as that for his journey south. Once Ser Alliser agreed so easily, Davos knew the offer was no good.

Thorne is a proper antagonist, btw, he's perfectly understandable as a 'bad guy'. Even though you don't agree with him, his rationale is solid. He genuinely believes his actions are for the good of the watch.

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

Ramsey showing some sadness for the death of another human? Yeah right. I guess Stannis is dead then

The Dothraki stuff was good but that "banter" was awful. Would Jorah be aware of Vaes Dothraek being Dany's destination? Cersei and Jaime are friends again then I suppose? I wonder how long it'll take Arya's blind training to take and where she goes from there?

Ramsey showing empathy...then reverting to type immediately by ordering that she's fed to the dogs. Another excellent 'baddie'.

I disagree about the Dothraki, Mr P, the banter between them about seeing a woman naked ranking among the top 5 was hilarious. Good point about Jorah, he'll be aware that the widow of a Khal would be sent there and will more than likely intercept whatever party is on their way there. Well spotted.

Overall, a good opener. Touched on most of the main players, reminding us of who is where and what their current situation is. Bit of mystery with Melisandre. Some epic shots of the various locations, and the musical score was excellent, as always. The hint of "Raynes of Castamere" when Cersei was standing on the shore gave me goosebumps.

But...... I can forgive the hounds disappearing, I can overlook the sandsnakes hiding on / boarding the boat with Trystane, hell, I can even ignore the fact that Theon and Sansa would have frozen to death in about 30 seconds after being chest deep in that water wearing those furs. To dispatch Areo Hotah like that is sacrilegious.

They did something similar with Stannis last season. The greatest military leader and tactician alive in the 7 kingdoms, hiding out in the open, in the snow, wearing dark coloured clothes? Please.

intheclouds · 26-04-2016 01:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The greatest military leader and tactician alive in the 7 kingdoms, hiding out in the open, in the snow, wearing dark coloured clothes? Please.

Stannis wasnt hiding, it was the end of the battle.

And he isnt dead - did you see a body?

Mr Freeze · 26-04-2016 01:59PM

intheclouds wrote: »

Stannis wasnt hiding, it was the end of the battle.

And he isnt dead - did you see a body?

We didn't see a body, but he is dead I would say.

The Boltons spoke as if they had seen the body, but did not know who killed him.

No reason to keep Stannis around anyways after murdering his character for the past few seasons.

jones · 26-04-2016 02:00PM

I don't think Stannis is dead either. All we've heard is Roose Bolton saying he's dead but not knowing who killed him. Where is the proof and how does Roose even know he's dead is he just assuming or did they find his body? It would seem like a massive faux pas to not have a character as big as him die on screen - Especially with what happened last season with his daughter. My bet is that he's alive

But in fairness this is GOT so who knows.

Decent opening episode

Mr.Prodston · 26-04-2016 02:11PM

Stannis is dead. My logic you ask?

I want him to have survived and continue being a boss. However that doesn't tie in with the show seemingly wanting to ruin all my hopes and dreams

I'd be a very happy Mr.P in a pod if he was still alive and kicking though.

Nody · 26-04-2016 02:15PM

I'd say he's dead for the simple reason there is no more need for him in the tv series; his red witch has abandoned him, his queen cursed him, his hand despise him and his army is killed. What use is there for him at this stage from a story perspective?

intheclouds · 26-04-2016 02:16PM

Roose Bolton is only assuming he is dead because he hasnt heard otherwise.

There was a reason they did the "Go on, do your duty" scene cutaway the way they did.

My bet is that he is going to show up at the Wall and either join the Nights Watch or go with the wildling army to fight at Winterfell (or maybe both).

intheclouds · 26-04-2016 02:16PM

Nody wrote: »

I'd say he's dead for the simple reason there is no more need for him in the tv series; his red witch has abandoned him, his queen cursed him, his hand despise him and his army is killed. What use is there for him at this stage from a story perspective?

To be the 999th Lord Commander of the Nights Watch and actually rally people to the real cause - the war between the Living and the Dead.

He's perfect for it.

eeguy · 26-04-2016 02:18PM

intheclouds wrote: »

To be the 999th Lord Commander of the Nights Watch and actually rally people to the real cause - the war between the Living and the Dead.

He's perfect for it.

He's not dead unless you see the body.

And maybe not even then... :pac:

Mr Freeze · 26-04-2016 02:31PM

intheclouds wrote: »

To be the 999th Lord Commander of the Nights Watch and actually rally people to the real cause - the war between the Living and the Dead.

He's perfect for it.

I agree with that, he would be perfect for that.

BUT, GRRM might do that with him, I think D&D wouldn't even form that thought.

intheclouds · 26-04-2016 02:35PM

Mr Freeze wrote: »

I agree with that, he would be perfect for that.

BUT, GRRM might do that with him, I think D&D wouldn't even form that thought.

D&D are working from GRRMs broad outline of where things end up.

Considering its likely the Wall is going to have a big part to play in the "real war" then Id think they will go with whoever is supposed to be Lord Commander.

Of course there would be a certain poetry in it to - from the Red Woman and her fires to the bitter coldness at the wall. And a certain redemption, for a man who murdered his brother, his daughter, his in laws etc... He could actually do some good at the Wall.

Mr Freeze · 26-04-2016 02:50PM

intheclouds wrote: »

D&D are working from GRRMs broad outline of where things end up.

Ya, I understand that. But they have also veered significantly from the books and GRRMs outline according to GRRM.

We'll know for certain when the next book comes out, but the show as nose dived in terms of quality unfortunately the more it ignores the source.

Regarding The Wall, I think The Nights Watch will fail now to defend it due to all their internal squabbles. They forgot who their enemy is and will learn that the hard way.

homerun_homer · 26-04-2016 03:05PM

I'm of the belief that Stannis is dead. I think not showing him being decapitated or however Brienne struck him was just a choice against being gratuitous. He's had his fall from glory and that was his essentially him dead and needing finishing off. Brienne would have no reason to keep him alive. Roose Bolton's phrasing to me sounded like they'd found his body and were not under any doubt that he was dead also.

stesaurus · 26-04-2016 03:11PM

homerun_homer wrote: »

I'm of the belief that Stannis is dead. I think not showing him being decapitated or however Brienne struck him was just a choice against being gratuitous. He's had his fall from glory and that was his essentially him dead and needing finishing off. Brienne would have no reason to keep him alive. Roose Bolton's phrasing to me sounded like they'd found his body and were not under any doubt that he was dead also.

Game of Thrones missing the chance to be gratuitous??? No chance! Brienne must have done something with him!

mewso · 26-04-2016 03:18PM

Thank goodness Jorah looked at his wrist to remind me of his affliction. Hopefully they will have a similar moment in each episode where he sneaks a look to check on it but only when he is near somebody he wants to keep it hidden from. Adds to the drama.

Most of how I feel about this episode has been said. I feared without the books to draw from it would get weaker since most of the significant variations from the books up to now have been poorly done and often non-sensical. I'll keep watching for the big moments and hope the books stick to original plan. The TV Show will probably keep opting for various odd couples to cheer us along. Must be time for Bronn to meet up with Sam and go wandering off having hilarious hijinks. Maybe send Cersei off on some search for something or other with I don't know maybe Margery for the bitchy banter. So many fantastic match-ups to play with.

Mr Freeze · 26-04-2016 03:18PM

s.welstead wrote: »

Game of Thrones missing the chance to be gratuitous???

Ya when you see what they did to the Martells, you wonder why they killed Stannis off camera.

Dyr · 26-04-2016 03:20PM

I'd say Roose Ramsay has him stowed away somewhere for a mickey chopping session

Anyway, if he was brown bread, why would they not turn him into a rug as is their tradition?

ixoy · 26-04-2016 03:50PM

Am I alone then in not being bothered so much by these changes because :

- The last two books weren't particularly good
- GRRM doesn't seem to know what he's doing with the story anyway and is taking ages even then (or maybe because of this).

GerB40 · 26-04-2016 03:58PM

intheclouds wrote: »

To be the 999th Lord Commander of the Nights Watch and actually rally people to the real cause - the war between the Living and the Dead.

He's perfect for it.

Why wouldn't Brienne kill him? It would be cool if he was alive but like a previous poster said, his storyline is used up. There's nothing Stannis could offer Brienne for her to let him live.

intheclouds · 26-04-2016 04:00PM

GerB40 wrote: »

Why wouldn't Brienne kill him? It would be cool if he was alive but like a previous poster said, his storyline is used up. There's nothing Stannis could offer Brienne for her to let him live.

Because he told her to "Do your duty".

Briennes duty is not meting out justice to criminals, its finding the Stark girls.

jones · 26-04-2016 04:01PM

GerB40 wrote: »

Why wouldn't Brienne kill him? It would be cool if he was alive but like a previous poster said, his storyline is used up. There's nothing Stannis could offer Brienne for her to let him live.

Brienne is one of the few honourable characters left in GOT. Its not a massive stretch of the imagination to believe she spared his life. And would explain why we haven't seen his body or being shown any concrete evidence that he's dead. Unless the writers are just f*cking with us.

Plus as others have said Stannis as Lord commander on the wall has a nice symmetry to it

GerB40 · 26-04-2016 04:03PM

intheclouds wrote: »

Because he told her to "Do your duty".

Briennes duty is not meting out justice to criminals, its finding the Stark girls.

She took on that responsibility after she failed to keep Renly alive. Her first and foremost duty was always avenging Renlys death..

Season 6 Episode 1 The Red Woman thread "Book readers"

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