Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Jamie2k9 · 10-04-2016 04:24PM

Stovepipe wrote: »

Sometimes the A321s are used to play catch-up and make up for delayed flights where pax have to be moved on after a long delay or after an enforced lay over. They are often on standby for such a possibility.

Off season yes but during peak only way it would happen if loads have not exceeded A320 on the A321 scheduled service.

Tenger · 11-04-2016 06:52PM

I know there was a 'discussion' about the EI B757 Business class refit recently (which MoeJay ended with an epic mike drop :cool:)

This pic of it was posted elsewhere:
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4228485,-6.2393878,3a,90y,273.8h,78.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sd4qpiXy-yIgAAAQvOswG7w!2e0!3e2!7i13312!8i6656

ozzy jr wrote: »

With the new 330s and 350s coming along over the next few years, what sort of wide body fleet size will EI end up with?

I think we might be looking at 14 widebody and 4-6 narrowbody (A321LR)
EI had planned for 8 A330's by 2015. Their c.2014 plans showed had 9 A350s on order (cant remember any mention of the options they had from the original 2006 order) with an an additional wide body to the fleet per year 2016-2020. (5 total)

IAG stated they will double that growth, so you get 10 additional widebodies on top of the existing 8 A330's. I assume they will retire the 3 A332's in a couple of years.

ozzy jr · 11-04-2016 07:03PM

With the new 330s and 350s coming along over the next few years, what sort of wide body fleet size will EI end up with?

I'm guessing some of the current fleet will be moved on.

Bussywussy · 11-04-2016 07:41PM

ozzy jr wrote: »

With the new 330s and 350s coming along over the next few years, what sort of wide body fleet size will EI end up with?

I'm guessing some of the current fleet will be moved on.

Heard a figure of 19.I love a good rumour.

squonk · 12-04-2016 10:04AM

Are EI getting 350s still? Earlier in this thread I'd read something about 330NEOs now with IAG moving their 350 orders to BA. Is that still happening?

Tenger · 12-04-2016 02:00PM

squonk wrote: »

Are EI getting 350s still? Earlier in this thread I'd read something about 330NEOs now with IAG moving their 350 orders to BA. Is that still happening?

The big rumour about the IAG purchase was that they just wanted the EI A350 order for Iberia. (and of course the LHR slots) Frankly thats an expensive way to get 9 aircraft. And because the two A333's coming this year were orginally planned as IAG deliveries to IB it added to the rumour mill that this was "because IB were getting EI's A350's"

The integration into the IAG 'family' definitely means a reevaluation of all strategic decisions for EI, and I am fully convinced that the A350's will not arrive as originally planned even as recently as 2014.
EI will eventually get A350's, there is no doubt, but whether it is as a single fleet type, or in conjunction with A330neo's or even after the A330neo is up to the fleet planers in IAG. Personally I think it will be a mix of both types.

A few days ago I posted a link to the A350 production list. It shows EI down for A350 #197, which at current planned production should be Q2 2018.
https://sites.google.com/site/a350xwbproduction/production-list

Of course, with over 2 years to go a lot can change, so until we see that shamrock on the tail in TLS we cant be sure whats happening!!!

TheFitz13 · 23-04-2016 10:45AM

Anybody know when EI are getting that extra A320? Think it's supposed to come off Vueling

A319er · 23-04-2016 03:35PM

Currently in paint shop Mad , due his week I am told

Bussywussy · 23-04-2016 05:07PM

A319er wrote: »

Currently in paint shop Mad , due his week I am told

Haha I heard rumour earlier it's in doubt and a now vueling A319 will stay

23-04-2016 05:58PM

Bussywussy wrote: »

Haha I heard rumour earlier it's in doubt and a now vueling A319 will stay

Yeah 320 is in poor state and Vueling have been given a week to find another more suitable aircraft

Tenger · 23-04-2016 06:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah 320 is in poor state and Vueling have been given a week to find another more suitable aircraft

Jesus, a week doesn't sound like a lot of time to source an A320

Locker10a · 23-04-2016 08:18PM

Tenger wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah 320 is in poor state and Vueling have been given a week to find another more suitable aircraft

Jesus, a week doesn't sound like a lot of time to source an A320

Hmm hopefully this will result in something interesting being added to the fleet

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billy few mates · 23-04-2016 09:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yeah 320 is in poor state and Vueling have been given a week to find another more suitable aircraft

What is this, a lease in or a hand over...?

23-04-2016 11:05PM

billy few mates wrote: »

What is this, a lease in or a hand over...?

Expect this now on from IAG, swapping aircraft around within the group to fit them in where needed for capacity etc.

Just to clarify, A319 won't be leaving for a week or so it may fly for Aer Lingus in Vueling colours. A320 coming is in poor condition. It may be a week before anything is sorted at that point Another A320 may need to be sourced.

billy few mates · 23-04-2016 11:41PM

So it's just a short term lease in, not an acquisition or a re-reg or anything...?

What do you mean in poor condition...?

J.pilkington · 24-04-2016 06:31AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Expect this now on from IAG, swapping aircraft around within the group to fit them in where needed for capacity etc.
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Assume a swap greater than a season will involve a repaint, anyone what it costs to repaint an a320? Suppose it's good all the airlines have eurowhite as their main paint colour

Bussywussy · 24-04-2016 10:10AM

billy few mates wrote: »

So it's just a short term lease in, not an acquisition or a re-reg or anything...?

What do you mean in poor condition...?

Was going on EI reg and colours...but the condition of the aircraft is probably of concern,for example not being looked after properly over the years.things can quickly deteriorate on an aircraft cabin appearance etc within weeks

Tenger · 24-04-2016 02:53PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Expect this now on from IAG, swapping aircraft around within the group to fit them in where needed for capacity etc.

IAG Capital Markets presentation last day did show planned fleet commonality between IB,BA and EI for the A320's, and A330 commonality between EI and IB. This would allow for capacity reallocation as needed among the group.
From an acquisition point of view it allows IAG better buying power with Airbus, seat manufacturers and others.

EchoIndia · 24-04-2016 03:35PM

J.pilkington wrote: »

Assume a swap greater than a season will involve a repaint, anyone what it costs to repaint an a320? Suppose it's good all the airlines have eurowhite as their main paint colour

In IAG only Iberia and Vueling would meet that test.

billy few mates · 24-04-2016 09:04PM

It could cost anywhere between €50K-€70K to paint an A320 depending where you got it done and assuming you could find a paint slot anywhere at the moment because they're hard to secure.
It sounds a bit odd that the condition of A/C within the group could be allowed to vary so much considering they're really little more than brands within that group.
It makes absolutely no sense having the flexibility to move A/C within the group if you can't actually do it because differing standards on the condition of the A/C doesn't allow it...

24-04-2016 10:00PM

I wonder how much of this can be put down to fussiness, EPU had a double engine and an APU swap after its test flights. Yet with Aer Lingus it was operating ok. So I imagine the same could be said of the Vueling 320.

Jack1985 · 24-04-2016 10:08PM

Hope they weren't trying to fob us off with EC-KDG...

Bussywussy · 25-04-2016 08:54AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wonder how much of this can be put down to fussiness, EPU had a double engine and an APU swap after its test flights. Yet with Aer Lingus it was operating ok. So I imagine the same could be said of the Vueling 320.

Doesn't matter how it was operating,it's a lot to do with their own leases and contracts for major components,engine owners mightn't want their parts on a vueling etc etc I've seen it all in base maintenance with messy changeovers between leases

Locker10a · 25-04-2016 11:40AM

Jack1985 wrote: »

Hope they weren't trying to fob us off with EC-KDG...

Its supposedly EC-KFI ! And will be registered EI-FNJ when (if) it arrives!
I assume it will have the same cabin and seats as EI-EDP/S ?
Also can anyone explain to me the difference between an A320-214 and a -216 ?
Is it just who the orginal owner was?

Dardania · 25-04-2016 12:08PM

Locker10a wrote: »

Jack1985 wrote: »

Hope they weren't trying to fob us off with EC-KDG...

Its supposedly EC-KFI ! And will be registered EI-FNJ when (if) it arrives!
I assume it will have the same cabin and seats as EI-EDP/S ?
Also can anyone explain to me the difference between an A320-214 and a -216 ?
Is it just who the orginal owner was?

I was on EI-EDS at the weekend - first time on one of those types. You could see that the interior was tired:

The wash hand basin was quite cracked

One of the Recaro seat armrest was loose (as in the rubberised plastic trim on top was loose) - the manufacturing date of 2007 was visible.

And there are access panels on the rear of the seats, 2, down low - I suspect near the hinging mechanism. It was clear that the panles were replaced at some stage, and different screws were used, as brass coloured washers were used!

The config screen for the FAs (like on the new ATRs for EIR) looked cool, although they should have used a green background EI logo for the screensaver rather than the white - white always shows up dirt!

Edit: think the -214 vs. -216 is engine type:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family

Maybe Vueling bought their engines with Madrid being at a higher altitude in mind?

Locker10a · 25-04-2016 01:19PM

Dardania wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

Jack1985 wrote: »

Hope they weren't trying to fob us off with EC-KDG...

Its supposedly EC-KFI ! And will be registered EI-FNJ when (if) it arrives!
I assume it will have the same cabin and seats as EI-EDP/S ?
Also can anyone explain to me the difference between an A320-214 and a -216 ?
Is it just who the orginal owner was?

I was on EI-EDS at the weekend - first time on one of those types. You could see that the interior was tired:

The wash hand basin was quite cracked

One of the Recaro seat armrest was loose (as in the rubberised plastic trim on top was loose) - the manufacturing date of 2007 was visible.

And there are access panels on the rear of the seats, 2, down low - I suspect near the hinging mechanism. It was clear that the panles were replaced at some stage, and different screws were used, as brass coloured washers were used!

The config screen for the FAs (like on the new ATRs for EIR) looked cool, although they should have used a green background EI logo for the screensaver rather than the white - white always shows up dirt!

Edit: think the -214 vs. -216 is engine type:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A320_family

Maybe Vueling bought their engines with Madrid being at a higher altitude in mind?

Ah yeah that probably makes sense re: -216 and engine type!
Yeah EDP/S and the 319's have always had the odd cabins, and I never understood why over the years they didn't replace the seats with the standard EI seats!!
I guess going forward all IAG short haul Airbus will have the same seats anyway so the cabin of EDP/S will probably become more common on EI

Noxegon · 25-04-2016 03:53PM

Locker10a wrote: »

And will be registered EI-FNJ when (if) it arrives!

I wonder if they're trying to tell us something with that choice of code...

Track 240 · 25-04-2016 11:50PM

When is the 4th 757 EI-CJX coming on stream? Its listed on Are Lingus Airfleets but not operating anywhere.

Track 240 · 26-04-2016 12:05AM

Saw the link on airliners about BDL. I think they are just making it up!

Both Bradley and Aer Lingus have economic-development ambitions. In recent years, Aer Lingus has invested millions, Butler said, to reposition its Dublin base as a hub for its flights of Boeing 757 and Airbus A380 jetliners from the U.S. and other overseas destinations to deposit passengers, who then board its short-haul, Boeing 737s to destinations throughout Europe.

JCX BXC · 26-04-2016 12:10AM

Is that quote what it said? It sounds like something we would make up as a pisstake of the daily mail!

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