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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #5462
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Bf always crashes here too when cows start to peak up to 32 Litres and Bf down to 3.75 will go to 3.6 at its lowest, once cows drop below 30 litres here Bf usually goes up I find, wouldn't be getting to worried just a given with high yielding cows on lush grass

    That's my thinking too ,will average 4.0/4.1 for year


  • #5463
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Bf always crashes here too when cows start to peak up to 32 Litres and Bf down to 3.75 will go to 3.6 at its lowest, once cows drop below 30 litres here Bf usually goes up I find, wouldn't be getting to worried just a given with high yielding cows on lush grass
    The crash in BF is due to certain oils in the grass peaking according to George Ramsbottom on twitter yesterday. I'll try and find it later and throw it up. He said not to be worried as it will sort itself out soon enough.


  • #5464
    Sam Kade
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    are they still on silage?

    No grass full time since last week and they are getting 5kgs ration.


  • #5465
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    The crash in BF is due to certain oils in the grass peaking according to George Ramsbottom on twitter yesterday. I'll try and find it later and throw it up. He said not to be worried as it will sort itself out soon enough.

    Ya unsaturated oils. Had a guy in last year talking about this. Trying to remember but. Problem is increased in lush grass and/or when there is that cold wind that we're having now. The grass tries to wax up to protect itself from the cold. Those oils reduce BF synthesis in udder and cows appear to be loose. Last year was a bad year for it in parts....remember the cold nights through the summer.

    Last year I was getting an increase in BF's in May by premowing. The wilting was increasing the DM of the grass, but also reducing the oils.
    Caveat... I THINK THATS WHAT HE SAID.


  • #5466
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Free do you mind me asking, what did you go with in your dairy nut. Excellent P by the way, I'm sure there is a bit of volume there aswell. What's your kgms like

    Litres not massive here yet. 27/28. 50% heifers though and still calving so not yet at peak. Solids around 2.1 I think. Meal 8.9% according to the docket. Barley, maize meal, soya hulls, molasses, mins and calmag. 35-35-20-5-5.


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  • #5467
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    freedominacup wrote: »
    Litres not massive here yet. 27/28. 50% heifers though and still calving so not yet at peak. Solids around 2.1 I think. Meal 8.9% according to the docket. Barley, maize meal, soya hulls, molasses, mins and calmag. 35-35-20-5-5.
    Similar nut to mine I'm getting off liffeys


  • #5468
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    kevthegaff wrote: »
    Similar nut to mine I'm getting off liffeys

    How's it going for you. Only on it a week here. Seems ok so far.


  • #5469
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    The crash in BF is due to certain oils in the grass peaking according to George Ramsbottom on twitter yesterday. I'll try and find it later and throw it up. He said not to be worried as it will sort itself out soon enough.

    Search for milk fat depression and rumen biohydrogenation, theres no way around it when trying to maximize grass in the diet. Fat supplements can mask it to some extent


  • #5470
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Fibre.
    Include 500gms of good fibre. Not straw. Ryegrass hay if poss


  • #5471
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Fibre.
    Include 500gms of good fibre. Not straw. Ryegrass hay if poss

    Only place I'd go in this country for proper good ryegrass hay is cool more stud,probably be told to fook off though !!!!


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  • #5472
    White Clover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭White Clover


    mahoney_j wrote: »
    Only place I'd go in this country for proper good ryegrass hay is cool more stud,probably be told to fook off though !!!!

    Plenty of good hay on donedeal Mahoney_j :-)


  • #5473
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    Open day Sun24 next.
    "Low cost, high output"
    All welco


  • #5474
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    White Clover wrote: »
    Plenty of good hay on donedeal Mahoney_j :-)

    And good square heifers out of British freisan cows!!!!!


  • #5475
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Open day Sun24 next.
    "Low cost, high output"
    All welco

    Can you cover transport...a one way ticket would do.


  • #5476
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Dawggone wrote: »
    Open day Sun24 next.
    "Low cost, high output"
    All welco

    Can you cover transport...a one way ticket would do.

    Ryanair. :)


  • #5477
    Buford T. Justice XIX
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,633 ✭✭✭✭Buford T. Justice XIX


    Buford T. Justice V wrote: »
    The crash in BF is due to certain oils in the grass peaking according to George Ramsbottom on twitter yesterday. I'll try and find it later and throw it up. He said not to be worried as it will sort itself out soon enough.
    Here's the tweet. You can follow the conversation from that. I think?

    https://twitter.com/teagascgrams/status/723252565807357952?lang=en


  • #5478
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Search for milk fat depression and rumen biohydrogenation, theres no way around it when trying to maximize grass in the diet. Fat supplements can mask it to some extent

    There's some meal better than others with additives improving the rumen ph.
    As dawggone said fibre is another one to get them chewing the cud and improving the ph as well. If you can get them to graze down to ground as well you'll get any stem that is starting to grow as well.
    Does sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) work when at grass?

    Edit: didn't see bufords post so maybe forget about sodium.


  • #5479
    kevthegaff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    freedominacup wrote: »
    How's it going for you. Only on it a week here. Seems ok so far.
    F 4.07 p 3.25 litres 23.7. V tight on grass upto now and silage by night, out since last night so hopefully uplift in yield and protein


  • #5480
    yosemitesam1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,095 ✭✭✭yosemitesam1


    pedigree 6 wrote: »
    There's some meal better than others with additives improving the rumen ph.
    As dawggone said fibre is another one to get them chewing the cud and improving the ph as well. If you can get them to graze down to ground as well you'll get any stem that is starting to grow as well.
    Does sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) work when at grass?

    Edit: didn't see bufords post so maybe forget about sodium.

    It's not a fibre or pH problem, it's the supply of unsaturated fat is too high, so there is much more partially hydrogenated fats leaving the rumen then normal and these reduce the amount of fat made in the udder even if the supply of acetate from fibre is enough to produce a higher level of fat.

    Sodium bicarbonate should lift rumen pH on any diet, but it's effect on fat% in the case of high fat grass won't make up anywhere near the drop in milk fat noticed.

    C16 fats like in mega fat are absorbed directly by the udder and because of this can still give your fat% a lift while fat production is reduced by high unsaturated fats. Whether or not it makes economic sense to do that is another thing...


  • #5481
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    Well I was above in Gardiners in Coolgreaney earlier and you'd nearly want the traffic corp to police what tractors and jeeps were coming into and out of it with meal and fert
    As usual they're cheaper than the local glanbia branch charging well less than glanbia even when you subtract the 7 euro rebate
    They were 15 euros cheaper than glanbia for a 20 litre drum of hydrosan liquid a few months ago when glanbia supposedly had it on sale

    No surprise to see No car/tractor outside their inch branch when I passed by there on the way home


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  • #5482
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,260 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Wheaten, that's repeated all over DG territory.
    Beside the price, it's a key way farmers have of making their point.


  • #5483
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,792 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    WheatenBriar wrote: »
    Well I was above in Gardiners in Coolgreaney earlier and you'd nearly want the traffic corp to police what tractors and jeeps were coming into and out of it with meal and fert
    As usual they're cheaper than the local glanbia branch charging well less than glanbia even when you subtract the 7 euro rebate
    They were 15 euros cheaper than glanbia for a 20 litre drum of hydrosan liquid a few months ago when glanbia supposedly had it on sale

    No surprise to see No car/tractor outside their inch branch when I passed by there on the way home
    No glanbia branches in louth at all.


  • #5484
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,260 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    May be not as key a part of Glanbia but for DG its a third of their business.


  • #5485
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    mahoney_j wrote:
    And good square heifers out of British freisan cows!!!!!


    Link? !


  • #5486
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    kowtow wrote: »
    Link? !

    If you're looking for square type heifer calves from a 1600 gallon supplied herd with good fertility.
    I may know someone has them for sale if willing to travel to wexford.


  • #5487
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    kowtow wrote: »
    Link? !

    Kowtow are you really looking for heifer calves. 55 heifers here, want to sell 15-20 of them


  • #5488
    whelan2
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    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Kowtow are you really looking for heifer calves. 55 heifers here, want to sell 15-20 of them
    ai man was telling me there a lad bought 10 high ebi heifer calves for 2k and 1 thrown in free


  • #5489
    orm0nd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    whelan2 wrote: »
    ai man was telling me there a lad bought 10 high ebi heifer calves for 2k and 1 thrown in free


    wouldn't even give for them @ this time of year , unless they were at least 6 weeks old.


  • #5490
    Wildsurfer
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    orm0nd wrote: »
    wouldn't even give for them @ this time of year , unless they were at least 6 weeks old.

    You wouldn't give €180 for high EBI heifers? If they were only 3 weeks old they'd still be March calves and easily calve down in Feb 2017 with proper managment. How much do you think it's costing you to get your heifers on the ground cause I think this is fantastic value


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  • #5491
    mahoney_j
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,720 ✭✭✭✭mahoney_j


    Wildsurfer wrote: »
    You wouldn't give €180 for high EBI heifers? If they were only 3 weeks old they'd still be March calves and easily calve down in Feb 2017 with proper managment. How much do you think it's costing you to get your heifers on the ground cause I think this is fantastic value

    How high is high ebi ????.idcagree with ormond ,there still calves ,not reared and moving to a new home ,still lots of risk from pneumonia ,scour ,coccidiosis etc


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