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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

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  • #3032
    Lukker-
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,405 ✭✭✭Lukker-


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Don't think so, Zuffa is a private company is it?

    Yup, they aren't accountable to anyone but themselves and a few Saudi paymasters who own a percentage.


  • #3033
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Don't think so, Zuffa is a private company is it?
    there are rumblings that they are gonna sell to the china sports ass or something
    remember Conor is a millionare and a three times MMA champ his ego might be a little bigger than two years ago so if he thinks that the Chinese want him on board he might push his luck


  • #3034
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    I remember the rumours about the Chinese alright and them looking to maximize potential earnings to boost the portfolio to help with the sale price.

    They can pretty much do what they like in that case

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #3035
    CSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,474 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Don't think so, Zuffa is a private company is it?

    Looks that way from a quick Google. Obviously this lessens their responsibility to making the dollar but they'll still be feeling it.


  • #3036
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    StringerBell wrote: »
    I don't think its me being pedantic about it tbh. I think you may be deliberately, or accidentally being naive about it but I don't feel the need to argue over it though. It is there for all to see, people will draw their own conclusions from it, as they always do.

    Not deliberately. ..or accidentally either but it's all good.. We cool. I genuinely don't think it was in any way a request to boycott though.


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  • #3037
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    StringerBell wrote: »
    I'm not sure who you are agreeing with tbh.

    :confused::D

    I'm trying to understand both sides I'm giving my thoughts without prejudice


  • #3038
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    This fight will go ahead. The UFC will save face by saying that they have to reluctantly accede to Conor's demands as they have already spent so much money on promotion and because some fans have already bought tickets, booked flights etc. They will say that they are not giving in to Conor - but they will be.


  • #3039
    JustTheOne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,681 ✭✭✭JustTheOne


    10 million on promoting the fight?

    How is that possible especially with the Internet nowadays?


  • #3040
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    <snip>

    Mod Note - There will be no charity bets..or talk of them. Already said it during the week to someone else.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #3041
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    bajer101 wrote: »
    This fight will go ahead. The UFC will save face by saying that they have to reluctantly accede to Conor's demands as they have already spent so much money on promotion and because some fans have already bought tickets, booked flights etc. They will say that they are not giving in to Conor - but they will be.

    No fans have bought tickets - tickets arent on sale for the fight yet. They havent started the promotion so whoever else takes up the fight replaces Conor and the promotion involves them. There is no reason for the UFC to save face on this, they have already pulled him from the card, it makes no sense for them at this stage to go back on what they have done. It just opens the floodgates for other fighters to start dropping demands and people to claim McGregor runs the UFC.


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  • #3042
    StringerBell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,341 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    StringerBell wrote: »
    <snip>

    Mod Note - There will be no charity bets..or talk of them. Already said it during the week to someone else.

    Apologies, forgot that!

    My basic point was simply I would be absolutely stunned if this fight were to go ahead at this stage, too big of a deal, too much face to be lost, too public, and the official announcement that it has been pulled when the door was left initially open is enough to convince me its off without the possibility of it being saved.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #3043
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Axwell wrote: »
    No fans have bought tickets - tickets arent on sale for the fight yet. They havent started the promotion so whoever else takes up the fight replaces Conor and the promotion involves them. There is no reason for the UFC to save face on this, they have already pulled him from the card, it makes no sense for them at this stage to go back on what they have done. It just opens the floodgates for other fighters to start dropping demands and people to claim McGregor runs the UFC.


    he's had nearly a million retweets and facebook shares this week
    if Prince hadn't gone and died it'd be all people are talking about


  • #3044
    bajer101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,178 ✭✭✭bajer101


    Axwell wrote: »
    No fans have bought tickets - tickets arent on sale for the fight yet. They havent started the promotion so whoever else takes up the fight replaces Conor and the promotion involves them. There is no reason for the UFC to save face on this, they have already pulled him from the card, it makes no sense for them at this stage to go back on what they have done. It just opens the floodgates for other fighters to start dropping demands and people to claim McGregor runs the UFC.

    By tickets, I mean like flight tickets and hotel reservations etc. By saying that the "UFC will save face", I mean that if they accede to Conor's demands, they will then have to save face by trotting out those lines - not that they are necessarily true. I agree that they will obviously be worried about opening the floodgates and I am sure that they will obviously not back down lightly, but I believe that they will. Money is the biggest motivator for them and the dollars in the column for making the fight go ahead outweigh the dollars in the other column.


  • #3045
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    SeanBlack wrote: »
    Thanks, anonymous internet guy. Familiar with the rules, but I genuinely appreciate your concern. Your being impressed or caring means nothing to me. You being confused however? I totally get. I could explain it to you, but I'm a busy guy.

    BTW, it's not cool to bend what I said. You made a blanket statement, I corrected you. That's all. No big thing.

    I will admit "Got that out of the way?" was a little on the rough side as rhetoric goes, and if your feelings were hurt, I apologize without reservation.

    Anyway, back on track, I hope the UFC and Conor resolve matters. I wish Conor, his family, his team, and everyone involved in Irish MMA nothing but the best. They're good people.

    Mod: Cool story - banned for a week


  • #3046
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    darced wrote: »
    I'd doubt that but it would mean he signed a contract to do it.

    No one is arguing that. But I think he's right to feel aggrieved if they changed the schedule.


  • #3047
    finglashoop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,154 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Not sure if its been mentioned here.

    He specifically says he is paid to fight and "not yet paid to promote"

    Fedor tried co promotion as well.

    So in the end it is about dollars. Not training or any excuse he can come up with.

    If he was paid more he would of been there where he was obligated to be


  • #3048
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    StringerBell wrote: »
    Apologies, forgot that!

    My basic point was simply I would be absolutely stunned if this fight were to go ahead at this stage, too big of a deal, too much face to be lost, too public, and the official announcement that it has been pulled when the door was left initially open is enough to convince me its off without the possibility of it being saved.
    i'd be stunned as well
    i have this mad idea that it might but its probably wishfull thinking
    the other thing is could Conor make 145 at this point seems to be enough time
    i mean aldo sometimes gets injured


  • #3049
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Mod Note: Cut out the nonsense..


  • #3050
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    bajer101 wrote: »
    By tickets, I mean like flight tickets and hotel reservations etc. By saying that the "UFC will save face", I mean that if they accede to Conor's demands, they will then have to save face by trotting out those lines - not that they are necessarily true. I agree that they will obviously be worried about opening the floodgates and I am sure that they will obviously not back down lightly, but I believe that they will. Money is the biggest motivator for them and the dollars in the column for making the fight go ahead outweigh the dollars in the other column.

    Money is a big motivator for both parties but they cant risk backing down and having every fighter making similar demands. UFC 200 will draw in decent numbers for them anyways and if they go with adding someone like GSP on the card it will do massive numbers for them still. They then just put McGregor on the New York card and make the McGregor PPV money there. Backing down would be a disastrous move for the UFC right now.


  • #3051
    Tigger
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Axwell wrote: »
    Money is a big motivator for both parties but they cant risk backing down and having every fighter making similar demands. UFC 200 will draw in decent numbers for them anyways and if they go with adding someone like GSP on the card it will do massive numbers for them still. They then just put McGregor on the New York card and make the McGregor PPV money there. Backing down would be a disastrous move for the UFC right now.
    or make Conor fight GSP
    that would put manners on him :eek:

    yeah Lawler v Diaz GSP v McG and then the winners (Lawlor & GSP) for the Garden

    sure everything is possaible these days


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  • #3052
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    .ak wrote: »
    No one is arguing that. But I think he's right to feel aggrieved if they changed the schedule.

    If they are spending millions of dollars on this event in Vegas this week I doubt it's just been thrown together. McGregor would have known about this for a few weeks, if not months.


  • #3053
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    If they are spending millions of dollars on this event in Vegas this week I doubt it's just been thrown together. McGregor would have known about this for a few weeks, if not months.

    The promo is costing millions of dollars... That covers everything promotional related; flights for crews, accommodation, world tour, tv spots, etc etc not just this weekend.

    Again I never said it was thrown together, but it certainly could've changed since the fight was announced.


  • #3054
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    .ak wrote: »
    The promo is costing millions of dollars... That covers everything promotional related; flights for crews, accommodation, world tour, tv spots, etc etc not just this weekend.

    Again I never said it was thrown together, but it certainly could've changed since the fight was announced.

    My mistake, I misread the quote from Dana, I thought he'd said that there was something set up in Vegas that was costing a few million.


  • #3055
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,489 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    weldoninhio wrote: »
    If they are spending millions of dollars on this event in Vegas this week I doubt it's just been thrown together. McGregor would have known about this for a few weeks, if not months.

    Considering this weekend (UFC197) is the last PPV in Vegas ahead of 200 itself I imagine round now seems like an obvious target to organize whats ahead....they do these things regularly just even look at 196 where they threw the "unstoppable" one.


  • #3056
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    As someone said earlier it seems strange to me that they have this huge promotion for ufc200 planned for this weekend and they don't even have a headliner. Conor had to be pulled because he wouldn't do promotion so they do the promotion now without a main event? Weird.


  • #3057
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,189 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Theyre flying by the seat of their pants there, the UFC. It spiralled out of control and they're making it up as they go along, putting out fires.


  • #3058
    Depp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Swashbuckler wrote: »
    As someone said earlier it seems strange to me that they have this huge promotion for ufc200 planned for this weekend and they don't even have a headliner. Conor had to be pulled because he wouldn't do promotion so they do the promotion now without a main event? Weird.

    this whole thing seems more and more like a powerplay by dana and the ufc gone horribly wrong, tell Conor ''you go where we say, when we say'' as if to say ''we're still in charge'', Conor knows what hes worth to the card tells em where to shove it, Ufc and Dana look a right pack of arseholes, just my take on it all


  • #3059
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,489 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Depp wrote: »
    this whole thing seems more and more like a powerplay by dana and the ufc gone horribly wrong, tell Conor ''you go where we say, when we say'' as if to say ''we're still in charge'', Conor knows what hes worth to the card tells em where to shove it, Ufc and Dana look a right pack of arseholes, just my take on it all

    They are in charge, Conor might think what he's worth to the card but the reality is 200 is just a number and the UFC will happily tame their employee knowing "Conors worth" can just be drafted to another card. Surely you know by now Dana doesn't mind looking like an asshole as long as his ego is massaged.


  • #3060
    CSF
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,474 ✭✭✭✭CSF


    Wrongway1985 wrote: »
    They are in charge, Conor might think what he's worth to the card but the reality is 200 is just a number and the UFC will happily tame their employee knowing "Conors worth" can just be drafted to another card. Surely you know by now Dana doesn't mind looking like an asshole as long as his ego is massaged.

    Don't they like money?


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  • #3061
    eddie73
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 647 ✭✭✭eddie73


    The UFC will be around a lot longer than any fighter or promoter. Yes they do make up the numbers and the cards of the organization, but there will always be top top class fighters looking for an arena. Conor thinking he is indispensable is folly. He has huge appeal but at the end of the day, he is not god. If you are being paid a savage amount of money to fight, then I would say that you should have to do the press. What can be so wrong with doing press? Diaz would have the exact same schedule. It would be a level playing field, more level than the last fight. This could go up in his face big time in terms of both losing the fight, and possibly putting his belt in jeopardy also.


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