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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #6722
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    browned wrote: »
    I'm still spring calving. Just got sick of milking cows in the evening to be honest. Had a large group of heifer coming through and said they'd make up the drop in volume. Kiwi fr/jex herd average enough cows. Volume matching last yr, better milk price, lower costs, less work, happy cows and a happier farmer.

    Have the cows adjusted well?
    Have individual cows scc spiked?
    BCS better?
    Less hard feed?

    Sorry for all the questions. If I was in Ireland with the right cow type, I'd be looking closely at it. Do you think that cows will produce as much as last year, or do you expect production to sharply decline in late lactation?


  • #6723
    browned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 661 ✭✭✭browned


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Have the cows adjusted well?
    Have individual cows scc spiked?
    BCS better?
    Less hard feed?

    Sorry for all the questions. If I was in Ireland with the right cow type, I'd be looking closely at it. Do you think that cows will produce as much as last year, or do you expect production to sharply decline in late lactation?

    1 Some can take up to a month and others take like a duck to water. Won't know properly until my 2nd milk recording as to how they've really settled.
    2 Scc is hovering at or around 200 but a bit of culling will sort that out, if theres a problem quarter it makes it worse but once there's no infection it reduces the risk ofspread. Mastitis is prob lower than it was TAD but is harder to detect the culprits.
    3 bcs is unreal tbh. Think I'll be controlled starving them for the dry period. Cows tend to go cycling 14 days post calving while heifer take maybe 21 days.
    4 I don't calf till Valentine's Day but so far 120kgs of hulls/pke and 20kgs silage fed to milkers. Been on grass only for the last 10 days and will keep it that way till sep weather permitting.
    Hoping to produce similar to last year in terms of overall volume but with more numbers so less per cow. They say it takes 3 yrs to cull your way back to TAD levels again. Will oversow the whole farm in clover in June to try and negate the expected drop in autumn production. Think cows will hold but fear heifer might dry themselves up.


  • #6724
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    jaymla627 wrote: »
    Nice little side note in annual report, re availing of member support package "while no minimum trading level is required in 2016, the board has signalled an intention to consider a minimum trading requirement for future support payments...
    Really getting sick of them at the minute, between milk flex, their 7 year contracts, and now signilliang their trying to control you in that you have to buy your inputs of them, they will shortly dream up a scheme where you have to give them a hold over your land....
    It will shortly get to a stage where a supplier who avails of milk flex/ buys a lot of inputs of them will be lucky to get a milk cheque at all, probably end up owing them money at the end of the month the way they are heading with milk price

    No mention in the Coop annual report of GiiL's profits in 2015,just the sales figure,is the profit in the 60% owned entity a secret?
    There's a full summary of the plc's results of which members only own 30 odd percent but nothing on GII

    Is the reason not to commit that figure to paper because it would embarrass the board at a time when they want to hurt milk suppliers as much in the pocket as possible?
    Presumably the figure will be asked for at the AGM?


  • #6725
    jaymla627
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,132 ✭✭✭jaymla627


    WheatenBriar wrote: »
    No mention in the Coop annual report of GiiL's profits in 2015,just the sales figure,is the profit in the 60% owned entity a secret?
    There's a full summary of the plc's results of which members only own 30 odd percent but nothing on GII

    Is the reason not to commit that figure to paper because it would embarrass the board at a time when they want to hurt milk suppliers as much in the pocket as possible?
    Presumably the figure will be asked for at the AGM?

    I reckon you'll do well to get a straight answer, will gets lots of spin some nice sound bites but not the proper figure, have to say looking at the group photo of the board 90% of them wouldn't look out of place in a retirement home, their seriously needs to be a shake - up of it and some new young blood got into not more lapdogs for Bergin/Talbot to get to tow the party line....
    Corbally at this stage needs to start getting lynched with the smug grin he's sporting the whole time, while trying to keep a straight face when conveying how glanbia is supporting suppliers, if the prick hadn't boatloads of plc shares to prop up his dairy farms on top of his nice salary he might of had to grow some balls and stand up to Talbot and co


  • #6726
    oxjkqg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 307 ✭✭oxjkqg


    Kerry Supplier

    BFat 4.40
    Protein 3.16
    Lact 4.78
    SCC 302,000
    26.65 cent per litre, had a couple of problem cows which destroyed the cell.

    On the milk supply conditions attached this month, the last condition no. 18 "Milk Supplied to Kerry Agribusiness must comply with Russian Federation Legal Requirements".

    Whats that about?


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  • #6727
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    browned wrote: »
    1 Some can take up to a month and others take like a duck to water. Won't know properly until my 2nd milk recording as to how they've really settled.
    2 Scc is hovering at or around 200 but a bit of culling will sort that out, if theres a problem quarter it makes it worse but once there's no infection it reduces the risk ofspread. Mastitis is prob lower than it was TAD but is harder to detect the culprits.
    3 bcs is unreal tbh. Think I'll be controlled starving them for the dry period. Cows tend to go cycling 14 days post calving while heifer take maybe 21 days.
    4 I don't calf till Valentine's Day but so far 120kgs of hulls/pke and 20kgs silage fed to milkers. Been on grass only for the last 10 days and will keep it that way till sep weather permitting.
    Hoping to produce similar to last year in terms of overall volume but with more numbers so less per cow. They say it takes 3 yrs to cull your way back to TAD levels again. Will oversow the whole farm in clover in June to try and negate the expected drop in autumn production. Think cows will hold but fear heifer might dry themselves up.

    Thanks Browned.
    Excellent post.
    One helluva way to respond to low prices.
    More producers should have a closer look, IMO.

    Keep us posted.


  • #6728
    browned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 661 ✭✭✭browned


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Thanks Browned.
    Excellent post.
    One helluva way to respond to low prices.
    More producers should have a closer look, IMO.

    Keep us posted.

    Cheers dawg

    Think there are less than 50 full season oader's out of 17,000 dairy farmers. Doubt it'll catch on even if low prices continue.
    Suit me and the farm and that's all that matters to me. I find that the higher protein and milk prices gives a good mental health boost. Once the calves are weaned the plan is to milk a couple of midweek evening for a neighbour and get him to milk Sunday mornings. Will allow me to head away sat morning and come back Sunday evening.


  • #6729
    WheatenBriar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,170 ✭✭✭WheatenBriar


    oxjkqg wrote: »



    On the milk supply conditions attached this month, the last condition no. 18 "Milk Supplied to Kerry Agribusiness must comply with Russian Federation Legal Requirements".

    Whats that about?
    They must have got the contract to supply the embassy up on Orwell road


  • #6730
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    browned wrote: »

    Think there are less than 50 full season oader's out of 17,000 dairy farmers. Doubt it'll catch on even if low prices continue.

    You'd be surprised what would catch on if low prices continue for long enough...

    Keep updating on progress.

    Maybe 16951 dairy farmers have got it wrong...:)


  • #6731
    wats the craic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭wats the craic


    strathroy dairys march milk 24 cpl plus vat plus quality bonus spring price. winter milk price 23cpl plus 1.5cpl bonus plus quality bonus plus vat .


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  • #6732
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    wats the craic wrote: »
    strathroy dairys march milk 24 cpl plus vat plus quality bonus spring price. winter milk price 23cpl plus 1.5cpl bonus plus quality bonus plus vat .

    What's quality bonus? Did.someone post it was 29 for feb?


  • #6733
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    Jasus the boys in Ornua are having a great time, 9 execs getting 9 million in payouts over the last 24 months.
    We're very lucky to have such amazing people at the top level of our food companies looking after us. Blessed we are.


  • #6734
    wats the craic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭wats the craic


    Milked out wrote: »
    What's quality bonus? Did.someone post it was 29 for feb?

    spring for feb is the same as march . winter price was 23.5 plus vat plus quality bonus plus 7 cent bonus . the quality bonus is .25 cent alitre for tbc under 10000 and .25 clp for scc under 200000


  • #6735
    wats the craic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭wats the craic


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Jasus the boys in Ornua are having a great time, 9 execs getting 9 million in payouts over the last 24 months.
    We're very lucky to have such amazing people at the top level of our food companies looking after us. Blessed we are.

    yet we continue to take it up the arse by them and gill and sit on our hands and do nothing . its time for war


  • #6736
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    wats the craic wrote: »
    spring for feb is the same as march . winter price was 23.5 plus vat plus quality bonus plus 7 cent bonus . the quality bonus is .25 cent alitre for tbc under 10000 and .25 clp for scc under 200000

    What are conditions for winter bonus? Certain percentage of supply? Are they a+b-c for base price? Spring price is the same as processors down here so dg were 24 base for Feb additional 0.4c for quality then.


  • #6737
    wats the craic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭wats the craic


    Milked out wrote: »
    What are conditions for winter bonus? Certain percentage of supply? Are they a+b-c for base price? Spring price is the same as processors down here so dg were 24 base for Feb additional 0.4c for quality then.

    a plus b minus c for spring . i am spring supplier so not sure about winter bonus conditions . was dg 24 cpl inc vat


  • #6738
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Jasus the boys in Ornua are having a great time, 9 execs getting 9 million in payouts over the last 24 months.
    We're very lucky to have such amazing people at the top level of our food companies looking after us. Blessed we are.

    Yea. Saw that on the news...

    'Cos I'm worth it.

    Blessed indeed.


  • #6739
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    wats the craic wrote: »
    a plus b minus c for spring . i am spring supplier so not sure about winter bonus conditions . was dg 24 cpl inc vat

    Yeah sorry incl vat, ye had that ahead of us. We're back to 23 this month so another cent behind. Are strathroy all fresh products? Have there contracts with supermarkets been cut much? Was expecting them to be a bit further ahead with the high level of liquid milk and being less exposed to powder etc. All assumptions as don't know much of strathroy


  • #6740
    wats the craic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭wats the craic


    Milked out wrote: »
    Yeah sorry incl vat, ye had that ahead of us. We're back to 23 this month so another cent behind. Are strathroy all fresh products? Have there contracts with supermarkets been cut much? Was expecting them to be a bit further ahead with the high level of liquid milk and being less exposed to powder etc. All assumptions as don't know much of strathroy

    they do trade off milk to other coops. they only produce fresh milk and cream . to be honest have no contact with them in a while , had no reason to we are being treated fairly and thats all farmers want at the end of the day . they prob be down in wexford to meet the group in a couple of months to speak about their plans for the coming yr


  • #6741
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    Milked out wrote: »
    Yeah sorry incl vat, ye had that ahead of us. We're back to 23 this month so another cent behind. Are strathroy all fresh products? Have there contracts with supermarkets been cut much? Was expecting them to be a bit further ahead with the high level of liquid milk and being less exposed to powder etc. All assumptions as don't know much of strathroy

    They've put up a small dryer for peak months,6 ton I think. Going by Watsthecrack's prices, quality bonuses and the lack of levys, I'd say they're close on 8-10% over Glanbias 24c


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  • #6742
    Milked out
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,433 ✭✭✭Milked out


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    They've put up a small dryer for peak months,6 ton I think. Going by Watsthecrack's prices, quality bonuses and the lack of levys, I'd say they're close on 8-10% over Glanbias 24c

    It will be interesting to see how it pans out over a number of years, will they be able to match when world prices start rising or peak. "When" being used in hope more than anything:(


  • #6743
    wats the craic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 532 ✭✭✭wats the craic


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    They've put up a small dryer for peak months,6 ton I think. Going by Watsthecrack's prices, quality bonuses and the lack of levys, I'd say they're close on 8-10% over Glanbias 24c

    ya its a 6 ton dryer off course second hand . trading with lakelands i think


  • #6744
    Water John
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,259 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    At DG costs that 6 ton dryer must have cost the Cunnunhams €60M.

    Ah Craic, DG wouldn't touch anything second hand.


  • #6745
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    Dawggone wrote: »
    Yea. Saw that on the news...

    'Cos I'm worth it.

    Blessed indeed.

    I think it should be compulsory for every farmer representative on every board to be made familiar with the latest research regarding the remuneration of executives. There is absolutely no justification for paying anyone that kind of crazy money, Based on this study is it any wonder so many poor management decisions are being made.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/susanadams/2014/06/16/the-highest-paid-ceos-are-the-worst-performers-new-study-says/#21b1cfd9293a


  • #6746
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Jasus the boys in Ornua are having a great time, 9 execs getting 9 million in payouts over the last 24 months.
    We're very lucky to have such amazing people at the top level of our food companies looking after us. Blessed we are.

    I'm waiting till they advertise their positions. Then i'm applying.:D
    In the meantime anyone in cork want to be an administrative assistant.
    http://www.irishjobs.ie/Recruiters/Ornua-3374.aspx


  • #6747
    Farmer Ed
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,617 ✭✭✭Farmer Ed


    http://www.ornua.com/our-group/board-executive


  • #6748
    Brown Podzol
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Brown Podzol


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Jasus the boys in Ornua are having a great time, 9 execs getting 9 million in payouts over the last 24 months.
    We're very lucky to have such amazing people at the top level of our food companies looking after us. Blessed we are.

    The onus is firmly on the co-ops now to follow suit.


  • #6749
    RightTurnClyde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,143 ✭✭✭RightTurnClyde


    Brown Podzol wrote: »
    The onus is firmly on the co-ops now to follow suit.

    Was there talk from Brussels that full disclosure was going to become compulsory. It's really needed. its in situations like this, that you see how useless Coveney is. Afraid to rock the boat with the chums.


  • #6750
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,805 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Was there talk from Brussels that full disclosure was going to become compulsory. It's really needed. its in situations like this, that you see how useless Coveney is. Afraid to rock the boat with the chums.
    Is Coveney still minister for ag? Nothing heard from him in ages..... also when will be get the balancing payments form last years bps, it was paid in june last year and he said it would be paid earlier this year? Will it be a big announcement when the new minister comes in


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  • #6751
    pedigree 6
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭pedigree 6


    Farmer Ed wrote: »
    http://www.ornua.com/our-group/board-executive

    Read their mission and vision. Gave me a chuckle.:p


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