Deise Greenway. Cycle path. Waterford City to Dungarvan.

Johnboy1951 · 20-04-2016 1:06pm

In that case good luck to those using wheeled vehicles, especially those in manual wheelchairs who have to try to travel on chippings.

Equally children riding bicycles on chippings is just looking for trouble.

This is a very large disappointment IMO.

Aquos76 · 20-04-2016 1:09pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

In that case good luck to those using wheeled vehicles, especially those in manual wheelchairs who have to try to travel on chippings.

Equally children riding bicycles on chippings is just looking for trouble.

This is a very large disappointment IMO.

Let's wait and reserve judgement till it's officially finished.

Johnboy1951 · 20-04-2016 1:11pm

Aquos76 wrote: »

Let's wait and reserve judgement till it's officially finished.

If as you said it will have chippings, then there is no need to wait to make judgement as chippings are not a suitable surface for the likes of wheelchair and bicycle users.

Road-Hog · 20-04-2016 1:14pm

What about those on quad bikes and other 'mechanised' type vehicles.....?

Johnboy1951 · 20-04-2016 1:15pm

Road-Hog wrote: »

What about those on quad bikes and other 'mechanised' type vehicles.....?

What about them?

Quads are designed for such surfaces and worse conditions, so have no idea what you mean, sorry.

BBM77 · 20-04-2016 2:02pm

What about horse’s? I walked along the greenway from the city the other weekend and there was horse ***te on the path!

I’m sorry but Irish people are pigs when it comes to things like this. I have walked on trails and paths in other countries and you would not see a cigarette butt discarded not alone dog and horse ***te.

Max Powers · 20-04-2016 2:14pm

BBM77 wrote: »

What about horse’s? I walked along the greenway from the city the other weekend and there was horse ***te on the path!

I’m sorry but Irish people are pigs when it comes to things like this. I have walked on trails and paths in other countries and you would not see a cigarette butt discarded not alone dog and horse ***te.

Have to agree, dirty messy people with zero civic pride, its much the same in Britain so we're not alone.I wouldn't dream of dropping any paper or anything like that on the ground.that's the way I was raised and I'm proud of where i come from and added to that i realise that a clean environment is good for us all, tourism, business, etc..only thing to do is catch and fine people.first day of opening Billy will have loads of complaints about lack of bins.BRING IT HOME YOU PIGS.
horses are not meant to be on it,I would not like to see quads or anything motorised on it.I presume that is the case.

Johnboy1951 · 20-04-2016 2:14pm

BBM77 wrote: »

What about horse’s? I walked along the greenway from the city the other weekend and there was horse ***te on the path!

I’m sorry but Irish people are pigs when it comes to things like this. I have walked on trails and paths in other countries and you would not see a cigarette butt discarded not alone dog and horse ***te.

I doubt it was people dropping the horse manure

Aquos76 · 20-04-2016 2:41pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

If as you said it will have chippings, then there is no need to wait to make judgement as chippings are not a suitable surface for the likes of wheelchair and bicycle users.

Here's a screenshot from that FB post

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Johnboy1951 · 20-04-2016 3:01pm

Ah! Tar & Chip ........ that makes a huge difference, and should provide a somewhat reasonable, though not ideal, surface for wheeled vehicles.

If done well it could suffice until funds are available for a full tarmac finish.

Aquos76 · 20-04-2016 3:11pm

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Ah! Tar & Chip ........ that makes a huge difference, and should provide a somewhat reasonable, though not ideal, surface for wheeled vehicles.

If done well it could suffice until funds are available for a full tarmac finish.

That's why I said let's hold judgement till it's finished and see what it's like then. I made it quite clear that I'm well aware the section I was on this morning is no where near complete but also pointed out that to the best of my knowledge it will not be 100% Tarmac.

Max Powers · 20-04-2016 4:09pm

Aquos76 wrote: »

That's why I said let's hold judgement till it's finished and see what it's like then. I made it quite clear that I'm well aware the section I was on this morning is no where near complete but also pointed out that to the best of my knowledge it will not be 100% Tarmac.

Fair play, you seem to know bit about it,where would be good spot to do a few miles on it? Maybe somewhere to park and then stroll and see some nice countryside.?

Wanderer78 · 20-04-2016 5:26pm

Max Powers wrote: »

Fair play, you seem to know bit about it,where would be good spot to do a few miles on it? Maybe somewhere to park and then stroll and see some nice countryside.?

ive walked the whole thing. views are fantastic along the whole trail. you can park at the entrance of mount congreve nurseries(below) and stroll around the area from there.

https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Mount+Congreve+Nurseries/@52.2410673,-7.2141368,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4842db405e495613:0xdf6bac35b56685b4?hl=en

you can also park near whelans bridge further out the track from mount congreve nurseries, gain access to the trail from there(not official access point, bit of a scramble!), or of course you could park at suir valley to gain access from there. i ll have to look at pictures and maps for access points further out the trail. it got a bit rough after suir valley, but that could be all different now as i walked it last year.

you could always start from bilberry and stroll out to suir valley if you wanted to get a few miles in.

STIG83 · 20-04-2016 6:12pm

So drove the Coast road from Dungarvan today and pulled in at Mahoneys Pub at Durrow to see the car park, will be handy.
Where is Durrow station from there? Is it towards Dungarvan or back towards Kilmac.
I never have known where it is.
I know where the tunnel is though.

mooseknunkle · 20-04-2016 6:44pm

I walked from Bilberry to Mount Congrave today just about 11km there and back,i thought it was all tarmac when i went on the weekend but the tarmac ends near the Waterford exit roundabout,its still a very nice walk with lovely scenery and i didnt see any dog ****e or rubbish,did see 2 big rats run across it to get into the river though

OldBean · 20-04-2016 7:31pm

Hey, I didn't suggest a 10kmph limit, that's all Silverado.

I would imagine it'd cater to everyone on a bike, from commuter to touring to general leisure and lycra. Greenway/gravel biking is becoming more and more popular.

SBPhoto · 20-04-2016 7:50pm

Silverado wrote: »

I get the impression that the Greenway will be used for both cycling and walking. I have to say that having experienced this along European long distance walking routes that I don't like it.

Only last month a bicycle collided with my wife in Spain on a coastal walking route. Fortunately she wasn't seriously injured but I have never liked the multi use concept on the Continent.

The Germans may have it right when they divide the route left and right for cycling and walking. There aren't many easy answers but I am never comfortable when I see a mountain bike hurtling towards me at speed on a narrow path, I don't like the concept of traffic on a walking route.

Wouldn't be a problem if the walkers kept to their right and cyclists to the left as the signs show, as a person who both walks and cycles on it, its narrow enough thought.

Chiparus · 20-04-2016 10:49pm

OldBean wrote: »

Hey, I didn't suggest a 10kmph limit, that's all Silverado.

I would imagine it'd cater to everyone on a bike, from commuter to touring to general leisure and lycra. Greenway/gravel biking is becoming more and more popular.

Jogging speed?

What are they going to do? Speed camera vans?

Gardner · 21-04-2016 5:03am

nice walkway, cant wait to get the tail wind behind me on the bike and hit 40kph! keep left ye ****ers!

JohnC. · 21-04-2016 5:38am

SBPhoto wrote: »

Wouldn't be a problem if the walkers kept to their right and cyclists to the left as the signs show

Gardner wrote: »

cant wait to get the tail wind behind me on the bike and hit 40kph! keep left ye ****ers!

It'd help if people knew which side to be on.

Gardner · 21-04-2016 5:43am

JohnC. wrote: »

It'd help if people knew which side to be on.

Just like driving and been a communist always stick to the left

cornerboy · 21-04-2016 5:31pm

have walked and biked the section from Clonea to Durrow. Beautiful views especially in the Ballyvoile area. Some of the surface is tarmac which is great. The remainder is tar and chip which obviously is not as good as the tarmac but was acceptable on a road bike.
The ballyvoile viaduct is open and provides good views......the Durrow viaduct looks even more spectacular and should be open soon.
The tunnel after the Ballyvoile viaduct is a weird sensation.......418 yards long and dead straight, you can see the light at the far end but precious little else, bring a strong light. Great work so far.

cornerboy · 21-04-2016 6:03pm

STIG83 wrote: »

So drove the Coast road from Dungarvan today and pulled in at Mahoneys Pub at Durrow to see the car park, will be handy.
Where is Durrow station from there? Is it towards Dungarvan or back towards Kilmac.
I never have known where it is.
I know where the tunnel is though.

Get on the track where it intersects the road and Durrow station is a couple of hundred yards back towards Dungarvan........The tunnell is a half mile to a mile further towards Dungarvan

Poor Uncle Tom · 21-04-2016 6:56pm

STIG83 wrote: »

So drove the Coast road from Dungarvan today and pulled in at Mahoneys Pub at Durrow to see the car park, will be handy.
Where is Durrow station from there? Is it towards Dungarvan or back towards Kilmac.
I never have known where it is.
I know where the tunnel is though.

Towards Kilmac, about 400m.

Wanderer78 · 22-04-2016 9:15am

Was at the talk last night in the Ramada. Fair play to the council. Impressive work.

cornerboy · 22-04-2016 9:35am

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Towards Kilmac, about 400m.

If you get on at Mahony's its back towards Kilmac......if you get on at the intersection with the road it's back towards Dungarvan. New carpark being built near the intersection.

Poor Uncle Tom · 23-04-2016 1:22pm

cornerboy wrote: »

If you get on at Mahony's its back towards Kilmac......if you get on at the intersection with the road it's back towards Dungarvan. New carpark being built near the intersection.

Isn't there a car park being constructed at Mahony's, or are there 2 car parks being built? Or do I have it wrong? apologies if so....

cornerboy · 23-04-2016 5:48pm

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Isn't there a car park being constructed at Mahony's, or are there 2 car parks being built? Or do I have it wrong? apologies if so....

Dont know if there is anything going on at the pub....dont think so. There is a car park being laid out about 400 / 500 yds up the side road near where the greenway crosses that side road and just beyond the afore mentioned Durrow station. This will be the access point in that area.
Have heard from a reliable source that a second car park will be built at the Clonea roundabout.

my3cents · 23-04-2016 5:59pm

cornerboy wrote: »

Dont know if there is anything going on at the pub....dont think so. There is a car park being laid out about 400 / 500 yds up the side road near where the greenway crosses that side road and just beyond the afore mentioned Durrow station. This will be the access point in that area.
Have heard from a reliable source that a second car park will be built at the Clonea roundabout.

Its already there.

Poor Uncle Tom · 23-04-2016 7:33pm

cornerboy wrote: »

Dont know if there is anything going on at the pub....dont think so. There is a car park being laid out about 400 / 500 yds up the side road near where the greenway crosses that side road and just beyond the afore mentioned Durrow station. This will be the access point in that area.
Have heard from a reliable source that a second car park will be built at the Clonea roundabout.

Since there is only approx 500m between the pub and the junction you are referring to, I would say the car park is in fact at Mahony's. It's what I've been told anyway. I'll be out that way next week, I'll check.

my3cents · 23-04-2016 7:48pm

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Since there is only approx 500m between the pub and the junction you are referring to, I would say the car park is in fact at Mahony's. It's what I've been told anyway. I'll be out that way next week, I'll check.

Toms car park (Mahonys) is just at the back of the pub and shop, nothing changed there as far as I know.

Last time I past there was a new car park being carved out on the other side of the road.

cornerboy · 23-04-2016 8:09pm

my3cents wrote: »

Its already there.

Yes there is one there.......plan is to build another one, according to my source.

my3cents · 23-04-2016 8:13pm

cornerboy wrote: »

Yes there is one there.......plan is to build another one, according to my source.

It would certainly be a good location and the car park that is there really isn't that big and has been filling up recently.

fricatus · 24-04-2016 8:39pm

Walked it today from Bilberry to the Dan Donovan tunnel. Very impressive, and a fantastic view of the TF Meagher Bridge at one point - the elevation and angle makes for a really lovely view. I'd love to walk it in from Mt Congreve some day - does anyone know where out there you could access the route?

beazee · 25-04-2016 9:29am

fricatus wrote: »

I'd love to walk it in from Mt Congreve some day - does anyone know where out there you could access the route?

Take the side road towards Mt Congreve Nurseries, past that might be quite bumpy but you'll get there.

Official access in the area is to be through Carriganore campus and flyover over N25 bypass. But there's still work involved in getting the flyover passable.

Baby4 · 27-04-2016 10:50am

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BBM77 · 27-04-2016 11:07am

Baby4 wrote: »

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It is not paved all the way to Mount Congreve yet. It is only paved to a bit after Carriganore. Also, there are bridges that are not completed yet so you have to walk over the railway bridge. After the paved section it is not really suitable for buggies yet.

I walked up to Mount Congreve last weekend myself, I think it took an hour to hour and half, wasn’t really timing myself. Wasn’t pushing a buggy either!

my3cents · 27-04-2016 11:22am

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Isn't there a car park being constructed at Mahony's, or are there 2 car parks being built? Or do I have it wrong? apologies if so....

As far as use for parking goes that one is finished. Even has a nice ramp directly up to the railway track must stop calling it that, the greenway.

I guess before long the carpark will have the usual features to prevent caravans using it added, if they don't get there first.

Wanderer78 · 27-04-2016 11:59am

Baby4 wrote: »

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keep an eye on the forecast, very changeable over the next few days

mooseknunkle · 27-04-2016 4:36pm

Baby4 wrote: »

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I walked Bilberry to Mount Congreve on Sunday and according to my phone it was 8 miles there and back and took me just over 2 and a half hours,the tarmac section is fine for a buggy but after that its really not suitable its still a long enough walk on the tarmac maybe about 4 miles there and back.

I dont know if this is true or not but i heard from someone working on the greenway that the reason it wont be all tarmac is to keep travellers off it supposedly its a problem already with them sulky racing on sections of it.

Wanderer78 · 27-04-2016 4:46pm

mooseknunkle wrote: »

I dont know if this is true or not but i heard from someone working on the greenway that the reason it wont be all tarmac is to keep travellers off it supposedly its a problem already with them sulky racing on sections of it.

cost according to the greenway engineer but who knows! i think theyre planning on putting in fences etc to prevent misuse of the trail before completion.

Roanmore · 27-04-2016 7:09pm

cornerboy wrote: »

Yes there is one there.......plan is to build another one, according to my source.

2 car parks there now, just finishing off second one, tarmac laid and all.

alta stare · 27-04-2016 7:39pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

cost according to the greenway engineer but who knows! i think theyre planning on putting in fences etc to prevent misuse of the trail before completion.

Hopefully we don't get idiots ruining what will be a great asset.

deisegreenway · 27-04-2016 8:15pm

The whole 48km will be either pure tarmac or tar&chip. Tar&chip is used on Irish roads so it will still be of a standard envied by the rest of the country. The reason for the lower spec is nothing to do with travellers, the council's budget has taken a battering appeasing farmers with ridiculous fences and cattle underpasses.

When the greenway is finished, sulkies will not be able to access it as there'll be staggered barriers (designed to look like railway crossing barriers) at every crossing that only bikes can pass through.

BBM77 · 28-04-2016 8:20am

alta stare wrote: »

Hopefully we don't get idiots ruining what will be a great asset.

Oh there will be idiots alright, you can count on that.

Poor Uncle Tom · 28-04-2016 8:26am

deisegreenway wrote: »

When the greenway is finished, sulkies will not be able to access it as there'll be staggered barriers (designed to look like railway crossing barriers) at every crossing that only bikes can pass through.

I'm presuming that motorised chairs will be able to access easily?

alta stare · 28-04-2016 8:42am

BBM77 wrote: »

Oh there will be idiots alright, you can count on that.

And lots of dog sh!t

Johnboy1951 · 28-04-2016 9:15am

deisegreenway wrote: »

The whole 48km will be either pure tarmac or tar&chip. Tar&chip is used on Irish roads so it will still be of a standard envied by the rest of the country. The reason for the lower spec is nothing to do with travellers, the council's budget has taken a battering appeasing farmers with ridiculous fences and cattle underpasses.

When the greenway is finished, sulkies will not be able to access it as there'll be staggered barriers (designed to look like railway crossing barriers) at every crossing that only bikes can pass through.

I wondered about the underpasses.
What alternative was proposed?

my3cents · 28-04-2016 10:48am

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

I wondered about the underpasses.
What alternative was proposed?

The only other alternative was telling the farmers to %^&%& off.

Any access across the lines would only cause problems.

Johnboy1951 · 28-04-2016 11:18am

my3cents wrote: »

The only other alternative was telling the farmers to %^&%& off.

Any access across the lines would only cause problems.

That was hardly a reasonable alternative!
I doubt very much if it was a proposed alternative.

Deise Greenway. Cycle path. Waterford City to Dungarvan.

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