Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

Farmer Ed · 13-04-2016 02:57PM

Anyone know what happened to the Dairygold expulsion thread? It seems to have disappeared? I hope boards hasn't been receiving any legal threats or anything?
Would hate to see the principle of free speech coming under attack.

Water John · 13-04-2016 03:25PM

FYI, I asked the Mods about the Dairygold Expulsions thread as I am the OP and I could not find it. They said they knew nothing of it but to contact, named person, who's in the office as that person had 'stood down' the thread.

Contacted her with query, what happened and reason. She replied that she had done this to check was their any defamation on the thread. She would edit it and then put it up again, amended.

I take it, some very specific contact was made. This contact wasn't with Mods as per usual by anyone reporting.
Quite disturbed by this development in light of the reasonable freedom afforded by and to all of us by the forum for fair comment.
But will not comment further for the moment. Will see how it pans out.

Feel free to copy this elsewhere, fellow posters.

Farmer Ed · 13-04-2016 03:33PM

Water John wrote: »

FYI, I asked the Mods about the Dairygold Expulsions thread as I am the OP and I could not find it. They said they knew nothing of it but to contact, named person, who's in the office as that person had 'stood down' the thread.

Contacted her with query, what happened and reason. She replied that she had done this to check was their any defamation on the thread. She would edit it and then put it up again, amended.

I take it, some very specific contact was made. This contact wasn't with Mods as per usual by anyone reporting.
Quite disturbed by this development in light of the reasonable freedom afforded by and to all of us by the forum for fair comment.
But will not comment further for the moment. Will see how it pans out.

Feel free to copy this elsewhere, fellow posters.

I wonder did boards get a letter signed by someone who had reportedly died in 1965?
Joe Duffy had a query about such a practice last week. Not sure he ever got a proper explanation?

WheatenBriar · 13-04-2016 07:19PM

GIIL
24c
Which includes1c from ornua bonus and 1c from glanbia coop

Ex Vat and the various funding nechanism' they've used for fixed milk ,GiiL getting the milk for about 20c now

whelan2 · 13-04-2016 07:26PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

GIIL
24c
Which includes1c from ornua bonus and 1c from glanbia coop

Ex Vat and the various funding nechanism' they've used for fixed milk ,GiiL getting the milk for about 20c now

sickner of a text to get at the end of a long crap day

WheatenBriar · 13-04-2016 07:38PM

whelan2 wrote: »

sickner of a text to get at the end of a long crap day

The Talbot/Bergin 30 million profit target for GiiL,in a time when farms are on their knee's, that this decision and others is part financing,how much of that is going to benefit the 60% Co op owner of GiiL or to benefit the farmer?
NONE
So why does the farmer Acquiese?

blackdog1 · 13-04-2016 07:50PM

Water John wrote: »

FYI, I asked the Mods about the Dairygold Expulsions thread as I am the OP and I could not find it. They said they knew nothing of it but to contact, named person, who's in the office as that person had 'stood down' the thread.

Contacted her with query, what happened and reason. She replied that she had done this to check was their any defamation on the thread. She would edit it and then put it up again, amended.

I take it, some very specific contact was made. This contact wasn't with Mods as per usual by anyone reporting.
Quite disturbed by this development in light of the reasonable freedom afforded by and to all of us by the forum for fair comment.
But will not comment further for the moment. Will see how it pans out.

Feel free to copy this elsewhere, fellow posters.

I'd say they didn't like people knowing about their pension fund. I'm a member and was a bit shocked by the type and how large it was.

freedominacup · 13-04-2016 08:05PM

whelan2 wrote: »

sickner of a text to get at the end of a long crap day

Could have been worse. This thread had an effect. The only way to keep any manners on them is to keep hammering your board members. Plenty of them love their fees and the threat of taking their seat will keep the focused. Bergin and Talbot had at least double that cut in mind.

Dawggone · 13-04-2016 08:14PM

freedominacup wrote: »

Could have been worse. This thread had an effect. The only way to keep any manners on them is to keep hammering your board members. Plenty of them love their fees and the threat of taking their seat will keep the focused. Bergin and Talbot had at least double that cut in mind.

Maybe I should throw in that we have a written guarantee of an average minimum price of 35cpl between 1April 2016 and 1April 2021.
Amazing what a little pressure can achieve. The pressure here came in the form of herd dispersals...

whelan2 · 13-04-2016 08:21PM

At least we know before we start serving for next spring, I think there will be alot more beef straws used this year, I am off to moan at my local Ifa meeting :cool:

Dawggone · 13-04-2016 08:28PM

whelan2 wrote: »

At least we know before we start serving for next spring, I think there will be alot more beef straws used this year, I am off to moan at my local Ifa meeting :cool:

Rangler mentioned somewhere that now is a good time to lobby gov/politicians for rural/Ag affairs. He's right. IFA need to be strong now.

Water John · 13-04-2016 08:35PM

Go direct on that Dawgone. Ring Healy Raes and Fitzmaurice.
IFA useless.

Milked out · 13-04-2016 08:43PM

whelan2 wrote: »

At least we know before we start serving for next spring, I think there will be alot more beef straws used this year, I am off to moan at my local Ifa meeting :cool:

Most lads in group using 5/6 weeks of dairy ai max then in with bulls or beef ai. Now that could change given bad start with weather conditions for mating but wouldn't surprise if that holds true for most. I'll go 8 weeks ai as locked up and only have one bull so need to give him some chance

blackdog1 · 13-04-2016 08:51PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Maybe I should throw in that we have a written guarantee of an average minimum price of 35cpl between 1April 2016 and 1April 2021.
Amazing what a little pressure can achieve. The pressure here came in the form of herd dispersals...

I've said it a million times the French are the only country that look aftert their farmers.

jaymla627 · 13-04-2016 08:55PM

Milked out wrote: »

Most lads in group using 5/6 weeks of dairy ai max then in with bulls or beef ai. Now that could change given bad start with weather conditions for mating but wouldn't surprise if that holds true for most. I'll go 8 weeks ai as locked up and only have one bull so need to give him some chance

Doing 4 weeks dairy ai here and only top 30% of cows will be served to sexed dairy sires with a few getting conventional straws , going all sexed on maidens so will adequately cover replacements, along with fr stock bull covering repeats.....
I reckon come 2019 you could put the house on dairy cow numbers dropping nationally, the mood out their at the minute given milk price and the spring we are having to endure has opened alot of lads eye's to the risks of hiking up numbers and the folly of carrying extra replacements through at massive cost hoping that Talbot and Co will throw you down enough crumbs from the top table to stay going

Milked out · 13-04-2016 09:07PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Doing 4 weeks dairy ai here and only top 30% of cows will be served to sexed dairy sires with a few getting conventional straws , going all sexed on maidens so will adequately cover replacements, along with fr stock bull covering repeats.....
I reckon come 2019 you could put the house on dairy cow numbers dropping nationally, the mood out their at the minute given milk price and the spring we are having to endure has opened alot of lads eye's to the risks of hiking up numbers and the folly of carrying extra replacements through at massive cost hoping that Talbot and Co will throw you down enough crumbs from the top table to stay going

Thing is a lot of lads, me included, have the replacements there to come in for next two years so part of that cost is already gone out so not sure if such a drop will happen. A lot of lads with young herds too due to culling old girls with quota issues

mf240 · 13-04-2016 09:14PM

Biggest mistake of my career (for want of a better word) was sighing that fecking msa.

Dawggone · 13-04-2016 09:18PM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I've said it a million times the French are the only country that look aftert their YOUNG farmers.

FYP.

jaymla627 · 13-04-2016 09:20PM

Milked out wrote: »

Thing is a lot of lads, me included, have the replacements there to come in for next two years so part of that cost is already gone out so not sure if such a drop will happen. A lot of lads with young herds too due to culling old girls with quota issues

Given the hammering cows are after taking this spring which will have a knock - on effect on breeding you could see a lot of cull cows next bank-end....
In the position here that I will have to many cows all going well next spring , planning on selling any cows that have issues like low yields/solids/feet etc with Belgian blue calves at foot as a double suckling job....
Should clear well over 1300 a cow with calves at foot will be a get out of jail card the way things are looking at the minute for next spring, and will tidy up the herd nicely and bump up milk solids sent per cow

darragh_haven · 13-04-2016 09:31PM

WheatenBriar wrote: »

GIIL
24c
Which includes1c from ornua bonus and 1c from glanbia coop

Ex Vat and the various funding nechanism' they've used for fixed milk ,GiiL getting the milk for about 20c now

Does this mean glanbia are paying solids bonus on a 22 cent base?

mahoney_j · 13-04-2016 09:33PM

darragh_haven wrote: »

Does this mean glanbia are paying solids bonus on a 22 cent base?

My understanding is exactly that darragh ,22 cent plus solids

Bass Reeves · 13-04-2016 09:39PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

Given the hammering cows are after taking this spring which will have a knock - on effect on breeding you could see a lot of cull cows next bank-end....
In the position here that I will have to many cows all going well next spring , planning on selling any cows that have issues like low yields/solids/feet etc with Belgian blue calves at foot as a double suckling job....
Should clear well over 1300 a cow with calves at foot will be a get out of jail card the way things are looking at the minute for next spring, and will tidy up the herd nicely and bump up milk solids sent per cow

Do not bet the house on it. 2017 will be one of the trickiest beef years in a long time. All those 2015 calves that were not exported ( sucklers and dairy) will be coming on stream as beef cattle. As well as is alluded to here to lots of cull cows. Only one way drystock prices will go and that is downhill. You might be better to sell the BB calves for export and take the hit on the cows, If there is a good cull cow price at the end of the year I be flogging them. Remember 2014 the way beef prices were take another 10% off them it could be as bad as that.

jaymla627 · 13-04-2016 09:49PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Do not bet the house on it. 2017 will be one of the trickiest beef years in a long time. All those 2015 calves that were not exported ( sucklers and dairy) will be coming on stream as beef cattle. As well as is alluded to here to lots of cull cows. Only one way drystock prices will go and that is downhill. You might be better to sell the BB calves for export and take the hit on the cows, If there is a good cull cow price at the end of the year I be flogging them. Remember 2014 the way beef prices were take another 10% off them it could be as bad as that.

Have customers for them already, live in the heart of sucker country here with lots of part time beef men who are always keen for good healthy beef calves and pay nicely as they know the calves are genuine , would be talking about very solid br/fr cows who will still have a good beef value after rearing calves....
Even when beef price has been on the floor continental cross calves always seem to be a great trade

jaymla627 · 13-04-2016 09:58PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

My understanding is exactly that darragh ,22 cent plus solids

Yeah it's a nice smoke-screen, to screw you out of a few more euros, at 22 cent .1 bf will be worth around .21 cent and pr .5.....
Funny thing is its the high solids/lower volume herds that will be hit hardest, a glanbia supplier with say a herd average of 4.6bf and 3.7 p as a yearly average will only get in our around 3.5 cent over base at 22 cent litre, pretty sobering figure

jack o shea · 13-04-2016 10:30PM

I'm going to order 6 ton of dairy nuts and 14 ton of fertilisers tomorrow and I won't even be ringing them glanbia wankxxx for a quote even tho location wise it would be the handiest for me.

mahoney_j · 13-04-2016 10:33PM

No point in any of rest off us non Glanbia suppliers been too smug cause our own processors will be setting price over next few days and I see a spate of 1/2 cent cuts across the board unfourtnately

atlantic mist · 13-04-2016 10:36PM

22 cents base, next years investment must now be questioned increased debt higher interest and repayments

all three ceo of gii, kerry, and dairygold all out this weeks talking markets down to get cheap milk, stop undercutting everyone in export markets ye are driving our price down its simple economics

drop all sustainability initiatives your supplier base at these prices is not sustainable and so you dont deserve to wear the badge

Certainly dont be making one of our future growth markets economy worse by ordering two taxis to take reps around when visiting

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-35990319

idaho milk suppliers only signed a 2 year msa!!!

jack o shea · 13-04-2016 10:37PM

Do you buy meal and fert off ur co op mahoney? I think it's time we all bought of the smaller merchant that is not a co op?

jaymla627 · 13-04-2016 10:47PM

mf240 wrote: »

Biggest mistake of my career (for want of a better word) was sighing that fecking msa.

Whereabouts you based, if your only option was Lakeland don't beat yourself up to much, they wouldn't entertain taking us on as weren't " poaching" glanbia suppliers

mahoney_j · 13-04-2016 10:54PM

jack o shea wrote: »

Do you buy meal and fert off ur co op mahoney? I think it's time we all bought of the smaller merchant that is not a co op?

Spread it out jack ,fertliser requirement is put to 3 merchants including my own and cheapest quote gets business .i buy fert 3/4 times a year.dont buy any meal off my coop due to quality and poor nutritional back up.all cow feed bought off roches feeds ,never an issue with price /advice or quality .doing it this way spreads the credit !!!!

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