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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

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  • #5312
    blackdog1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭blackdog1


    RightTurnClyde wrote: »
    Ya Tim, they're getting 4kgs hulls aswell. (& 6kgs 16% in parlour) but the tank is suffering on days I can't get to grass, which is getting too frequent.
    Looks like they're in again.

    If your feeding silage andn ot getting out to grass your better off feeding your cows some hi pro soya bean instead of hulls and cut it out straight when they hit grass. 1.5 kg a cow would do I'd say with 16% nut. Other people on here would be better informed than me.


  • #5313
    Markcheese
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    Lad I used to work for tried red clover/ wheat whole crop a few times, reckoned it was good stuff , only got muck and lime... he didnt cut it tight though so yeild mightnt have been massive ...
    Is it possible to crimp a grain protein mix ? So growing wheat and beans , or lupins and barly, combining and crimping...

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • #5314
    trixi2011
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    stanflt wrote: »
    Personally I think whole crop is the biggest load of dung that could be fed to high yielding cows- straw is only a filler and the grain doesn't have the same feed value as rolled barley

    When working in nz we fed quite a bit of wholecrop but only in the back end . The consensis was that was not a good enough feed to be feeding in spring when cows need . Rule of tumb feeding in the back end was only go to 4kg dm max after that it would start to dry cows off.


  • #5315
    trixi2011
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    Would any of you lads who are short on feed not think about feeding palm kernal ? Only costing 90 pound a ton in the uk at the min and can be fed adlib


  • #5316
    whelan2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,791 ✭✭✭✭whelan2


    have a few calves with dipteria(sp) havent had any in years. dont use teat feeders here. vet asked are they on crunch-they are- apparently the crunch can hurt their teeth and cause the lumpy jaw! they are on pen/strep for a week and getting a mid day feed of electrolytes


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  • #5317
    Base price
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    whelan2 wrote: »
    have a few calves with dipteria(sp) havent had any in years. dont use teat feeders here. vet asked are they on crunch-they are- apparently the crunch can hurt their teeth and cause the lumpy jaw! they are on pen/strep for a week and getting a mid day feed of electrolytes
    Last case we had here was 2 years ago with a weaned calf (off milk) that at the time was on pencils. Prior to that was with a feeding bull on ad lib nuts and straw.
    The calf had a severe case and our vet gave an injection directly into the jaw. From memory oxytet and dexameth were prescribed. OH also sprayed an iodine solution into the calves mouth twice daily.


  • #5318
    freedominacup
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    stanflt wrote: »
    Personally I think whole crop is the biggest load of dung that could be fed to high yielding cows- straw is only a filler and the grain doesn't have the same feed value as rolled barley

    Lignin is lignin regardless of what sort of stalk it's in. How does semi ripe maize grain compare to ground/flaked maize grain feed value wise? We had to change to wholecrop as ground unsuitable for maize because of height and lack of clay. Always got an intake lift with second forage and even with 80d silage this year it took a lot of added starch to keep or up without wholecrop. Never had a problem with p & k but always applied plenty of organic fert.


  • #5319
    Dawggone
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    freedominacup wrote: »
    Lignin is lignin regardless of what sort of stalk it's in. How does semi ripe maize grain compare to ground/flaked maize grain feed value wise? We had to change to wholecrop as ground unsuitable for maize because of height and lack of clay. Always got an intake lift with second forage and even with 80d silage this year it took a lot of added starch to keep or up without wholecrop. Never had a problem with p & k but always applied plenty of organic fert.

    The old story of lignin and cellulose...

    Free, 55% of forage maize, by weight is comprised of maize grain circa 35% moisture (grains). The rest is a mix of lignin and cellulose with mins and vits and a cr. pr. of circa 9%...
    It is hard it get wholecrop into the same league. But if you can manage to harvest at barley grain % moisture of 24 with green straw, then it would be quite acceptable.
    Nothing rapes land of p and k like taking green straw (like good hay) from ground as there is a concentration of those elements when green. But if allowed to ripen then the p and k are rapidly returned to the soil.

    Dried maize grain is quite hard on a ruminant to digest. However if at higher moisture (35%), there is no bother to the animal and much more can be fed without any risk.

    If feeding dried grain maize, insist that it is coarse rolled like oats for horses...barely cracked.

    Wholecrop has a place on a farm where maize can't be grown, once it is grown properly. The old "ah sure, 'tis only for wholecrop" simply doesn't wash.


    Edit. The wholecrop that is certain to lodge because it is too lush is what to aim for. Not the usual "chase a mouse around in it". Iykwim.


  • #5320
    freedominacup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭freedominacup


    Dawggone wrote: »
    The old story of lignin and cellulose...

    Free, 55% of forage maize, by weight is comprised of maize grain circa 35% moisture (grains). The rest is a mix of lignin and cellulose with mins and vits and a cr. pr. of circa 9%...
    It is hard it get wholecrop into the same league. But if you can manage to harvest at barley grain % moisture of 24 with green straw, then it would be quite acceptable.
    Nothing rapes land of p and k like taking green straw (like good hay) from ground as there is a concentration of those elements when green. But if allowed to ripen then the p and k are rapidly returned to the soil.

    Dried maize grain is quite hard on a ruminant to digest. However if at higher moisture (35%), there is no bother to the animal and much more can be fed without any risk.

    If feeding dried grain maize, insist that it is coarse rolled like oats for horses...barely cracked.

    Wholecrop has a place on a farm where maize can't be grown, once it is grown properly. The old "ah sure, 'tis only for wholecrop" simply doesn't wash.


    Edit. The wholecrop that is certain to lodge because it is too lush is what to aim for. Not the usual "chase a mouse around in it". Iykwim.

    It's hard to get the straw green at 24 but slightly higher not a problem. Starts to go "off" fairly quickly. Ah shur it's only wholecrop is pennywise. We'd push it hard and ve ready to go if lodging looked likely usually caused by weather. You actually wouldn't dare to push a crop you intended to combine as hard as you'd never get to harvest it in a normal year. It would usually only be growing around 100days. Mid Apr to late July. Taking the system to the limit you'd graze in late March and be grazing dd reseed in early September.


  • #5321
    Dawggone
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    freedominacup wrote: »
    It's hard to get the straw green at 24 but slightly higher not a problem. Starts to go "off" fairly quickly. Ah shur it's only wholecrop is pennywise. We'd push it hard and ve ready to go if lodging looked likely usually caused by weather. You actually wouldn't dare to push a crop you intended to combine as hard as you'd never get to harvest it in a normal year. It would usually only be growing around 100days. Mid Apr to late July. Taking the system to the limit you'd graze in late March and be grazing dd reseed in early September.

    Exactly.
    Somewhere between lush and rank...


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  • #5322
    bradygaz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 66 ✭✭bradygaz


    Looking to get in touch with any dairy farmer in North / East Wicklow area to see about few gallons of milk every so often for my smallholding pigs... anyone on here?


  • #5323
    jack o shea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    Cows back out today thank God, even though they shouldn't really be, couldn't listen to them bawling any longer,anyone else on heavy ground chance them today?


  • #5324
    whelan2
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    jack o shea wrote: »
    Cows back out today thank God, even though they shouldn't really be, couldn't listen to them bawling any longer,anyone else on heavy ground chance them today?
    no, in today, we got a full wet day yesterday


  • #5325
    jack o shea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    Will you chance them tomorrow whelan? I couldn't face into scrapping and liming cubicles again this morn.


  • #5326
    whelan2
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    jack o shea wrote: »
    Will you chance them tomorrow whelan? I couldn't face into scrapping and liming cubicles again this morn.
    Will see what tomorrow brings, agree though brushing cubicles in mid april is a pain


  • #5327
    blackdog1
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    Protein took a big hit over the weekend with the 3 inches of rain plus extra silage I had to put in. Went from 3.48 to 3.24. Hopefully now the sun is shining it might improve. Changed from a 20% protein meal in the parlour to a 14 so that might not have helped either....bloody weather


  • #5328
    Milked out
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    jack o shea wrote: »
    Cows back out today thank God, even though they shouldn't really be, couldn't listen to them bawling any longer,anyone else on heavy ground chance them today?

    Out today, will need a week of drying for 18 acres so may have to house at night all the time


  • #5329
    Milked out
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    blackdog1 wrote: »
    Protein took a big hit over the weekend with the 3 inches of rain plus extra silage I had to put in. Went from 3.48 to 3.24. Hopefully now the sun is shining it might improve. Changed from a 20% protein meal in the parlour to a 14 so that might not have helped either....bloody weather

    Snap, back of the pits now with 3 different cuts of silage so not helping here either


  • #5330
    Brown Podzol
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    In full time. P fell from 3.45 to 3.1 and f went up to 4.34 even though getting 75% 14 maize, 25% 75dmd grass silage, 1.5kg soya and 5.5kg 18% in the parlour. Ratio f to p of 1.4. Bad news. Meal gone to 8.5kg, 5 kg mixed with 50/50 maize/grass silage and 3.5 kg 18% in the parlour. Solids recovering, p 3.24, f 4.42, 31 lts.
    Growth 22, cover 750, cover/lu 190. I can stretch first round for another 8 days and if growth of 30 for this week and ground conditions improve, which they should given the forecast, cows will be back out in a couple of days and back to just maize silage buffer and 5 kg in the parlour. If 'twas easy everyone would be at it.


  • #5331
    jack o shea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    Injected a cow about 5 weeks ago but only after I noticed it said not for dairy cows, said 35 day withdrawl for meat so would I be OK now to let her in the tank? I have kept her for the calves since.


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  • #5332
    freedominacup
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    jack o shea wrote: »
    Injected a cow about 5 weeks ago but only after I noticed it said not for dairy cows, said 35 day withdrawl for meat so would I be OK now to let her in the tank? I have kept her for the calves since.

    Take a sample from her four quarters in the morning and get milk lorry driver to test it. Id be surprised if you're not clear by now.


  • #5333
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    I just can't bring myself to comment on another thread on boards.
    The thread where the pedantic reckon that a jersey bull was the answer to the issues...
    The thread where the 'indignant' believe that moral hazard is one sided...

    Jesus H. Christ.
    (And Jesus Wept!)

    I'm a quiet man...


  • #5334
    jack o shea
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 607 ✭✭✭jack o shea


    Thanks freedom, do all the drivers carry a kit with them now? I never thought of that tbh.


  • #5335
    pedigree 6
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    Dawggone wrote: »
    I just can't bring myself to comment on another thread on boards.
    The thread where the pedantic reckon that a jersey bull was the answer to the issues...
    The thread where the 'indignant' believe that moral hazard is one sided...

    Jesus H. Christ.
    (And Jesus Wept!)

    I'm a quiet man...

    Good! :D
    The thread is nearly dead now.
    Bad form. Don't kick a family when they're down.


  • #5336
    kowtow
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    Finished calving today with every cow in one piece and 1.1 healthy calves per cow, which under the circumstances is plenty to be grateful for!


  • #5337
    Dawggone
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    Dawggone wrote: »
    I just can't bring myself to comment on another thread on boards.
    The thread where the pedantic reckon that a jersey bull was the answer to the issues...
    The thread where the 'indignant' believe that moral hazard is one sided...

    Jesus H. Christ.
    (And Jesus Wept!)

    I'm a quiet man...

    Why don't you speak out Kowtow?
    You could say it so much better than I...


  • #5338
    kowtow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,135 ✭✭✭kowtow


    Dawggone wrote:
    Why don't you speak out Kowtow? You could say it so much better than I...

    I have kids in school with theirs and have been havering all week about whether to buy a few and keep them local or not go near the place. I don't think I would have offended anyone had I done so - but In the end I stayed away and I think I'm glad I did.

    The whole situation is desperately sad however it came about. Listening to my 15yo relating things from his perspective - and bear in mind he's a blow in - really drives home how much these boys are rooted in their farming identity.

    There really is so much more to this than Harvest 2020...


  • #5339
    kevthegaff
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    Have a feeling this is going to become more common place as seen in nz and our next door neighbours. A few of these cases nationally remind me maybe a more prudent approach to dairying would be better?? Just worried this is the tip of the iceberg..


  • #5340
    Dawggone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,506 ✭✭✭Dawggone


    kowtow wrote: »
    Listening to my 15yo relating things from his perspective - and bear in mind he's a blow in - really drives home how much these boys are rooted in their farming identity.

    There really is so much more to this than Harvest 2020...

    :) You're not wrong...

    Thanks for the honesty. :)
    I'm not hijacking you..


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  • #5341
    atlantic mist
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    jack o shea wrote: »
    Injected a cow about 5 weeks ago but only after I noticed it said not for dairy cows, said 35 day withdrawl for meat so would I be OK now to let her in the tank? I have kept her for the calves since.

    id say you might have to send sample to the lab, vets on site could expain a bit better, there is two tests on milk as both cover different spectrum of drugs not sure if lorry driver has both

    id be nervous of putting her in tank, some of the fluke injection cant be used anymore, vet told us before if we used the cattle one we might have to hold milk for a few months as trace elements can be in the milk for a long period


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