Proposed New Runway.

Mint Sauce · 07-04-2016 07:10PM

kneemos wrote: »

No doubt I'm missing something but from what I hear on the wireless the new runway will cost 320 million and require 12 hundred to build.

I appreciate land may be expensive but surely it's just a glorified roadway,where's the hundreds of millions going.
Also 12 hundred to build the thing??

Not that I know much about runway construction, but even on the best roads in the country, I wouldn't fancy being in an Airbus or Boeing landing on one. Even before you add all the communication and lighting, I would say its foundations,would be a little different to that of the M50.

Am actually slightly surprised at it my self, Heathrow cant even get a second runway despite handling way more landing and takeoffs, and passenger numbers, and Gatwick the same manages fine on just one.

Maybe if the DAA gave some of the money towards getting a new rail link to the Airport, that might be money better well spent.

Oasis1974 · 07-04-2016 07:19PM

Mint Sauce wrote: »

Not that I know much about runway construction, but even on the best roads in the country, I wouldn't fancy being in an Airbus or Boeing landing on one. Even before you add all the communication and lighting, I would say its foundations,would be a little different to that of the M50.

Am actually slightly surprised at it my self, Heathrow cant even get a second runway despite handling way more landing and takeoffs, and passenger numbers, and Gatwick the same manages fine on just one.

Maybe if the DAA gave some of the money towards getting a new rail link to the Airport, that might be money better well spent.

Think you mean a third runway for Heathrow and both these airports are close to operating capacity.

tigerboon · 07-04-2016 07:24PM

The runway itself will be about 60m wide so that's the same as 9km of dual carriageway. Deeper foundations, concrete base maybe, deeper asphalt as well as a higher spec asphalt. There are hundreds of ground lights which are more than just bulbs. To operate these lights a high spec computer system is needed as well as a hell of a lot of ducting and cabling. There could be a couple of hundred km (yes km) of cable needed. This lighting system all needs to be backed up in case of failure. The drainage system needs to be able to take the run off from a huge area of runway. Signage boards are also needed. To be able to use the whole thing a network of taxiways, with all of the above features, is also needed. Add to all this the public consultation, design etc.

The flying mouse · 07-04-2016 07:26PM

Don't know why people just can't get the boat...back in my day.....

bigroad · 07-04-2016 07:30PM

Just let Mic O Leary build his own airport and save us all a load of cash.

Annasopra · 07-04-2016 07:32PM

kneemos wrote: »

There must be some ancillary stuff included,no way it would take 12 hundred to build a runway

12 hundred what?

The flying mouse · 07-04-2016 07:37PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

12 hundred what?

OP meant to say one thousand two hundred

NiallBoo · 07-04-2016 07:38PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

12 hundred what?

Just a guess, but is it new permanent jobs created because of the expansion?

(Airport people, not temporary construction jobs)

darkpagandeath · 07-04-2016 07:40PM

Clarification, This is just for a new runway yes as the infrastructure was already upgraded ?

For Forks Sake · 07-04-2016 08:35PM

kneemos wrote: »

The construction will provide 60,000 jobs.

There's obviously more going on with these things than just a runway.

Main difference being (afaik) that Heathrow are going to have to buy a lot of land/housing whereas Dublin already own the land to the north of the airport where the new runway is going.

Alun · 07-04-2016 08:42PM

tigerboon wrote: »

There are hundreds of ground lights which are more than just bulbs. To operate these lights a high spec computer system is needed as well as a hell of a lot of ducting and cabling. There could be a couple of hundred km (yes km) of cable needed. This lighting system all needs to be backed up in case of failure.

I briefly worked on an upgrade of the computer system for Schiphol's lighting system some time back in the 80's or 90's I think it was. As with most things in this world, once you get into the nitty gritty of it, they're a lot more complex than the average man on the street would believe.

salmocab · 07-04-2016 08:51PM

Alun wrote: »

I briefly worked on an upgrade of the computer system for Schiphol's lighting system some time back in the 80's or 90's I think it was. As with most things in this world, once you get into the nitty gritty of it, they're a lot more complex than the average man on the street would believe.

There could be call for new ESB sub station too, the lighting systems would be massive and between generator back ups and I presume a UPS along with a computer system to run it electrical systems will cost in the millions to supply and install alone.

Also comparing it to a road way is crazy the m50 has at worst things weighing a few ton driving across it and a runway has things weighing hundreds of tons bouncing down out of the sky onto it

Penn · 07-04-2016 08:55PM

vicwatson wrote: »

They already have it I assume as they have planning permission since 2007 (though not all the concessions they want), they wont build it unless they get what they want - likes of operating hours outside of 7am - 11pm, only 65 flights per day on it etc

I thought planning only lasted 5 years but apparently they have 10 year planning?

Before the 5 years are up you can apply for an extension of duration of planning permission for up to another 5 years.

SEPT 23 1989 · 07-04-2016 08:58PM

I sure there is some sort of endangered snail or slug that will lead to massive cost overruns and time delays

webwayz · 07-04-2016 09:22PM

New runway, why not build the tunnel/cut and fill for the metro line and station while you're at it.
Dublin needs a new runway no doubt if it is to grow and expand, better to build it, and keep the green belt in north Dublin, and not build in the flight path.

Archeron · 07-04-2016 09:30PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

12 hundred what?

Battle ready war elephants.

gumbo1 · 07-04-2016 09:55PM

murpho999 wrote: »

All the new infrastructure you are talking about is already there with the new terminal 2.

No it's not. The proposed runway is on the opposite side of the airfield. It would mean massive refurbishment of the existing tarmac that's there and a lot of the taxiways would need to be made bigger to accommodate the larger aircraft!

Annasopra · 07-04-2016 09:56PM

Archeron wrote: »

Battle ready war elephants.

Deadly

Goat Paddock · 07-04-2016 10:10PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I sure there is some sort of endangered snail or slug that will lead to massive cost overruns and time delays

Snails and slugs have just as much rights to be here as us, how would you feel if your neighbourhood was demolished to make way for a snail trail. The analogy is clear.

08-04-2016 06:25AM

If the EU were still building our infrastructure, I doubt anyone would care.

bear1 · 08-04-2016 08:56AM

Goat Paddock wrote: »

Snails and slugs have just as much rights to be here as us, how would you feel if your neighbourhood was demolished to make way for a snail trail. The analogy is clear.

Are you serious?

corner of hells · 08-04-2016 09:05AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If I run fast enough down the new runway, with my arms flapping, will I eventually take off?

Yes, with enough feathers stuck to your arse , you most certainly will take off

Condenser · 08-04-2016 09:45AM

Will it be big enough to take A380's? I'm assuming it will if they plan on marketing Dublin as a hub.

salmocab · 08-04-2016 10:39AM

Condenser wrote: »

Will it be big enough to take A380's? I'm assuming it will if they plan on marketing Dublin as a hub.

Yes in fact guy on the radio said yesterday that the current runway already can. From other threads I think its to do with the distance its going and the amount of fuel couldn't fully laden but thats not needed anywhere a flight from Dublin would be going.

astrofool · 08-04-2016 11:12AM

salmocab wrote: »

Yes in fact guy on the radio said yesterday that the current runway already can. From other threads I think its to do with the distance its going and the amount of fuel couldn't fully laden but thats not needed anywhere a flight from Dublin would be going.

They restricted the size of the current runway in Dublin so that such planes have to land in Shannon (to keep the boggers happy).

vicwatson · 08-04-2016 11:14AM

astrofool wrote: »

They restricted the size of the current runway in Dublin so that such planes have to land in Shannon (to keep the boggers happy).

Keep the boggers happy !! you're basically a bogger being from Shankill

HensVassal · 08-04-2016 11:28AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

I presume they have the land, they own an awful lot outside the perimeter AFAIK.

€320m does sound an awful lot. Motorways here cost around €8m per km and I'd imagine the runway needs to be 3km in length with a 3km taxiway alongside it. Maybe 10km in total all up? I know motorways are not directly comparable but surely the physical runway could be built for €100m and then perhaps double that for all the lighting, new radars, etc

I haven't read anything that says the €320m figure includes new terminals or a new air traffic control. All they mention is the €320m new runway. The articles on it aren't very clear of what exactly the €320m will get

If they're employing 1200 people for the project and it takes a year to build (probably take longer) and those 1200 people are all on 50 grand, say, then that is already a wage bill of 60 million. If it takes 2 years your wage bill is 120 million. They could be on substantially higher wages since there is a possibility that a lot of the work might be done at night when there are no flights in or out to interfere with the project. I don't know...I'm just guessing but I don't think the 320 mill is just for concrete and landing lights.

Aongus Von Bismarck · 08-04-2016 11:59AM

They should also spend some money on their executive lounge in T2. It's like something from the Soviet Union.

ThisRegard · 08-04-2016 12:00PM

Condenser wrote: »

Will it be big enough to take A380's? I'm assuming it will if they plan on marketing Dublin as a hub.

salmocab wrote: »

Yes in fact guy on the radio said yesterday that the current runway already can. From other threads I think its to do with the distance its going and the amount of fuel couldn't fully laden but thats not needed anywhere a flight from Dublin would be going.

Looks like it will be slightly longer
http://img2.thejournal.ie/inline/2703584/original/?width=630&version=2703584

suicide_circus · 08-04-2016 12:15PM

OSI wrote: »

What pleb uses the airport lounges? Airline lounges are the place to be.

Nah man, Platinum Services is where its at

http://www.dublinairport.com/gns/at-the-airport/Dublin-Airport-Travel-Services/Platinum-Services.aspx

Proposed New Runway.

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