Garda, nurses, teachers and doctor's pay

04-04-2016 03:42PM

maryishere wrote: »

Does your manager know that you, as a manager, condone and sign off, without asking questions, the people under you who deliberately go out drinking to excess during the week and who text in the next day saying they cannot be arsed to come in to work?

If I was your manager / business owner you would have serious questions to answer.

Ha ha Good one. I fell for it, and I now remembered the day that's in it.

Yes my manager was aware of it and I found it good for morale and so did they. Especially as I and my staff aren't paid for all the overtime they have to do.

Again as I said it depends on your personality and the relationship you have with your staff. I find managers who don't have a positive relationship with their staff should be treated like mushrooms

Reading your posts you seem to have a very poor opinion of anyone who doesn't share your world view and has any sort of empathy with their staff or people in general so if you were my manager you would perhaps fall into this category

evolving_doors · 04-04-2016 05:33PM

esforum wrote: »

But who are you comparing them too? Its already been shown that private teachers earn more than their dept of education counterparts. Theres no genuine comparison for Gardai, firefighters, prison officer or even nurses really.

Add in the unskilled worker in the private sector that again has no genuine public sector counterpart and the balance shifts.

What is the average wage of a bin man in one of the private companies compared to Dublin council?

What do you compare in the public sector to a worker in fast food?

By and large, the sectors are chalk and cheese and serve different purposes.

I think that the most important jobs in the country are public sector and therefore the difference in wages should be positive

AHH who shew that? Believe me, the best any privately paid teacher in the fee-paying sector can do is parity... And doesn't include pension!

esforum · 04-04-2016 05:50PM

Gebgbegb wrote: »

AHH who shew that? Believe me, the best any privately paid teacher in the fee-paying sector can do is parity... And doesn't include pension!

i did, earlier in the thread.

maudgonner wrote: »

Geuze is the poster who brought up the figures on public/private sector comparisons, so I'll let him/her answer that.

My point is that the benefits that go along with public sector jobs are substantial, and any salary premium should reflect that.

Do you disagree that a defined benefit pension is a huge benefit? That teachers' shorter working year is a huge plus? That job security (which you have argued with above, but anecdotal evidence, including that from a senior civil servant) is a huge benefit?

you believe public workers ahould earn less, i am asking you how you decide what wage is fair and less than what private workers.

no, i dont agree they are huge benefits, i agree they are benefits and i suggest you re-read your own link and see what he is actually suggesting. he wants to buy out contracts and talks about the bonus systems in the private sector which dont exist in the public.

i will never ever get a financial bonus nor do i have summers off or work less hours. i actually work more than 40, dont even have national holidays off, have not one, not even two but now 3 quangos waiting in the wings to sack me and dont have access to the same labour laws or rights that you do.

so now, tell me what i am worth and why i should get less

Godge · 04-04-2016 06:02PM

maudgonner wrote: »

Geuze is the poster who brought up the figures on public/private sector comparisons, so I'll let him/her answer that.

My point is that the benefits that go along with public sector jobs are substantial, and any salary premium should reflect that.

Do you disagree that a defined benefit pension is a huge benefit? That teachers' shorter working year is a huge plus? That job security (which you have argued with above, but anecdotal evidence, including that from a senior civil servant) is a huge benefit?

Of course there are benefits to a public sector job.

But those in the public sector don't get bonuses, expense accounts, gyms, christmas parties, etc. paid by their employer. Yes, only some private sector workers get these benefits, but you have to factor them in too.

Secondly, a huge percentage of public sector jobs - nurses, teachers, doctors, technical staff, engineers, architects, etc. - require years of education while many private sector jobs - retail, security, general operative, restaurant etc. - require little or none. Over a 40-year career, you require a 10% premium if you have lost four years of work-time to education.

Comparisons are not as simple as you think.

maudgonner · 04-04-2016 06:02PM

esforum wrote: »

no, i dont agree they are huge benefits, i agree they are benefits

If you don't think a defined benefit pension isn't a huge benefit then you're very out of touch with the rest of the country, and the world. DB is dying out because it is such a good deal for the beneficiary that in a volatile world economy it is unsustainable. They are like hens' teeth in the private sector, for good reason.

and i suggest you re-read your own link and see what he is actually suggesting. he wants to buy out contracts and talks about the bonus systems in the private sector which dont exist in the public.

I did read the article, I don't agree with all that he said. But then I probably wouldn't, would I? He's arguing for a performance-related pay structure in the public sector - in many roles that would be impractical, but for some I think it would be a good idea. And you've ignored the primary point he made which was the reason I quoted the article in the first place - that it's too difficult to get rid of non-performing employees in the public sector.

i will never ever get a financial bonus nor do i have summers off or work less hours. i actually work more than 40, dont even have national holidays off, have not one, not even two but now 3 quangos waiting in the wings to sack me and dont have access to the same labour laws or rights that you do.

so now, tell me what i am worth and why i should get less

You'll notice that I made reference only to teachers' working hours - not those of other branches of the public sector?

And by the way, I'm a freelancer on a week-to-week contract. So you have access to substantially better labour laws & rights than I do.

evolving_doors · 04-04-2016 06:36PM

esforum wrote: »

i did, earlier in the thread

There's about 1,000 posts here ted! Could you throw us a bone and put a link or quote...

Anyhow meantime, this says private sector teachers earn less.. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/private-school-teachers-are-treated-like-second-class-citizens-1.2594344

Plus the fact I am one and know the field so to speak!

esforum · 04-04-2016 06:40PM

maudgonner wrote: »

If you don't think a defined benefit pension isn't a huge benefit then you're very out of touch with the rest of the country, and the world. DB is dying out because it is such a good deal for the beneficiary that in a volatile world economy it is unsustainable. They are like hens' teeth in the private sector, for good reason.

im not going to bother with this one anymore, you could have a db if you wanted but dont, that was your **** up, dont drag me down with you.

Dying out? so are tracker mortgages, so what? I guess I should have jumped on that ship while I could. I didnt though, because I looked at my options and made a choice. I dont harp on about my neighbours having one and I certainly dont ask that theres be taken away. I say fair play.

maudgonner wrote: »

I did read the article, I don't agree with all that he said. But then I probably wouldn't, would I? He's arguing for a performance-related pay structure in the public sector - in many roles that would be impractical, but for some I think it would be a good idea. And you've ignored the primary point he made which was the reason I quoted the article in the first place - that it's too difficult to get rid of non-performing employees in the public sector.

In other words, you agree with removing the job security but dont agree with the reward scheme that operates in many private areas. Shock horror!

maudgonner wrote: »

You'll notice that I made reference only to teachers' working hours - not those of other branches of the public sector?

again nit picking tha perks of certain sectors while ignoring the perks in others. teachers dont get big fat christmas bonuses. Lets look at that first, lets start granting Christmas bonuses to teachers.

maudgonner wrote: »

And by the way, I'm a freelancer on a week-to-week contract. So you have access to substantially better labour laws & rights than I do.

Actually I still dont, you are self employed so have the options that I do not, like deciding your hours, refusing to work, collective bargaining.

By the way, being self employed kinda kills your arguement.

maryishere · 04-04-2016 07:26PM

esforum wrote: »

you could have a db if you wanted but dont

A private sector worker could have a defined benefit pension ( I assume you mean like the one in the public sector eg Gardai )? Please tell us all where one can buy such a pension now (it was shown earlier that a Gardai's average pension is worth €1,100,000 ) and how much it would cost per year, spread out over the 30 working years you would have to work before retiring.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-26518918.html
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/retiring-garda%C3%AD-receive-25-9-million-in-pension-lump-sums-1.1750860
http://www.herald.ie/news/retiring-gardai-will-get-average-payoff-of-107k-28000137.html
http://www.politics.ie/forum/economy/169158-retiring-gardai-30-years-service-luxury-we-can-no-longer-afford.html

mulbot · 04-04-2016 07:32PM

esforum wrote: »

im not going to bother with this one anymore, you could have a db if you wanted but dont, that was your **** up, dont drag me down with you.

Dying out? so are tracker mortgages, so what? I guess I should have jumped on that ship while I could. I didnt though, because I looked at my options and made a choice. I dont harp on about my neighbours having one and I certainly dont ask that theres be taken away. I say fair play.

In other words, you agree with removing the job security but dont agree with the reward scheme that operates in many private areas. Shock horror!

again nit picking tha perks of certain sectors while ignoring the perks in others. teachers dont get big fat christmas bonuses. Lets look at that first, lets start granting Christmas bonuses to teachers.

Actually I still dont, you are self employed so have the options that I do not, like deciding your hours, refusing to work, collective bargaining.

By the way, being self employed kinda kills your arguement.

That's easily the most ignorant, and stupid post I've ever read

maryishere · 04-04-2016 07:37PM

esforum wrote: »

Actually I still dont, you are self employed so have the options that I do not, like deciding your hours, refusing to work, collective bargaining.

By the way, being self employed kinda kills your arguement.

I do not know why you are dragging self employed in to it as the self employed do not have the security, pension, holiday pay etc public servants get. I am glad I am not self employed like the other poster you replied to above, bet you are too.

Lets look at your 3 points

deciding your hours: ......actually its the customer that decides the hours....ask any self employed person. No clocking off at 4.30pm on a Friday for most, or taking sickies ( how come the statistics show that sickies are double in the public sector compared with the private etc ).

refusing to work:...... Not many self employed would refuse to work, for the simple fact that thety do not get paid then but most have overheads of some sort or a mortgage or living expenses

collective bargaining:.... most self employed never heard of such a word - there is always some other person (Irish or eastern European or whatever) or shop or service ( Irish based or foreign based ) who will provide the goods or service. We are in the EC after all and the internet has made the world a small place.

maudgonner · 04-04-2016 07:41PM

esforum wrote: »

In other words, you agree with removing the job security but dont agree with the reward scheme that operates in many private areas. Shock horror!

again nit picking tha perks of certain sectors while ignoring the perks in others. teachers dont get big fat christmas bonuses. Lets look at that first, lets start granting Christmas bonuses to teachers.

Actually I still dont, you are self employed so have the options that I do not, like deciding your hours, refusing to work, collective bargaining.

By the way, being self employed kinda kills your arguement.

Actually if you read more carefully what I said, I think performance-related pay would be a good idea for certain roles on the public sector. But I don't think it would work for all roles - for example, I don't think teachers should be rewarded based on their pupil's exam performance. The US brought in exactly that system - No Child Left Behind - and it was a disaster, hugely harming kids and teachers. Likewise, I don't think Gardaí should be on a bonus system for how many arrests/convictions they make. But for clerical officers, for example, I think it might work.

I'm a freelance contractor - I work for a company. I don't get to set my hours. They can, do, and recently have, told me on a Friday that I can take the next week off. That's not them being kind, that's a polite way of saying 'we can't pay you next week, don't come in'. Yes, I can decide to refuse a contract - but that means I don't work. Collective bargaining? I'm not even sure what that means, it certainly doesn't apply to me. I don't know how that invalidates the points I'm making - you were the one who brought personal circumstances into it, not me.

And I actually came back on this thread to agree with Godge - bonuses certainly have to be taken into account when weighing up the pay premium between public and private sector. That's a very valid point.

maryishere · 04-04-2016 07:47PM

esforum wrote: »

teachers dont get big fat christmas bonuses. Lets look at that first, lets start granting Christmas bonuses to teachers.

Most private sector workers do not get big fat Christmas bonuses either.

I know some teachers who do very well getting gifts from kids parents at Christmas, boxes of chocolates etc - thats more than many private sector workers get. Another teacher I know who does grinds - nice little nixers - gets a nice little bonus at xmas too;);)

Teachers get loads of holidays at Christmas and other times of the year.

maudgonner · 04-04-2016 08:01PM

Godge wrote: »

Of course there are benefits to a public sector job.

But those in the public sector don't get bonuses, expense accounts, gyms, christmas parties, etc. paid by their employer. Yes, only some private sector workers get these benefits, but you have to factor them in too.

Secondly, a huge percentage of public sector jobs - nurses, teachers, doctors, technical staff, engineers, architects, etc. - require years of education while many private sector jobs - retail, security, general operative, restaurant etc. - require little or none. Over a 40-year career, you require a 10% premium if you have lost four years of work-time to education.

Comparisons are not as simple as you think.

I agree with you about bonuses, they certainly should be taken into account in any calculation, as should BIK like gyms.

Expense accounts, in my experience, are usually given to those who have to entertain clients or travel for work. I'm not naive enough to think they aren't abused though

They do also exist in the public sector (mainly the civil service - where unvouched expenses can be claimed).

Of course there are additional benefits in the public sector too - career breaks, job-sharing etc, that are difficult to quantify. It's obviously difficult to compare like with like. However I do believe that the more substantial benefits are pension, job security and (in the case of some roles) working hours - and that these are so substantial that they outweigh the others.

(And from what I can see, when calculating the public sector pay premium, education levels are taken into account - it's an attempt to compare like with like, but I'm open to correction on that.)

Paulzx · 04-04-2016 08:06PM

maryishere wrote: »

Most private sector workers do not get big fat Christmas bonuses either.

I know some teachers who do very well getting gifts from kids parents at Christmas, boxes of chocolates etc - thats more than many private sector workers get.

All them scented candles and choccies mount up. It's no wonder people get into teaching.

For the love of God.............

maryishere · 04-04-2016 08:15PM

Paulzx wrote: »

All them scented candles and choccies mount up. It's no wonder people get into teaching.

naw, people get in to teaching for the holidays, the pay, the security and the pension....oh and the opportunity to do grinds too;). Although the newer entrants joining now got shafted by the unions / the older teachers there already, so do always automatically get all the above.

evolving_doors · 04-04-2016 08:29PM

maryishere wrote: »

naw, people get in to teaching for the holidays, the pay, the security and the pension....oh and the opportunity to do grinds too;). Although the newer entrants joining now got shafted by the unions / the older teachers there already, so do always automatically get all the above.

Actually new entrants now got shafted by previous new entrants who weren't arxsed to join a union.. Let alone attend a meeting.
Pay can be restored in the relative short term.... terms and conditions of employment once messed with are impossible to untangle (see Croke Park hours, which add Zero extra benefit to kids learning). This is where the union fought.

FGR · 04-04-2016 08:31PM

I for one am delighted that someone fixed the typo in the thread title :pac:

On topic - I think it's incredible how so many people here focus on the few entitlements public servants do get. I don't crib about my friends and family who are given cheques of varying amounts as a bonus at Christmas. Nor do I receive complementary health insurance, gym access, subsidised canteen, employee discounts on products etc.

Yes I do get a defined benefit pension which will work out in my favour should I live long enough to claim beyond the break even point - but that said it wasn't what made me join the PS. I joined my chosen career as it's what I wanted to do for a living. I'm sure most professionals out there became accountants, solicitors, engineers etc because they wanted to do it - not because of the incentives and rewards package.

I agree there are wasters in the public service but there's plenty in the private sector too. Neither sector is made up of martyrs but both have their ups and downs benefits wise. Also, the private sector will always get the state pension as well as whatever they sought in their own defined contribution scheme; unlike anyone who joined the public sector post 1995 - something which I often see omitted when people 'do the maths'.

maryishere · 04-04-2016 08:39PM

FGR wrote: »

Yes I do get a defined benefit pension which will work out in my favour should I live long enough to claim beyond the break even point - ./QUOTE]
Is it true that if when someone who has a public sector pension passes away , the pension transfers in full to their spouse - even if that spouse is much younger than the deceased person?

Paulzx · 04-04-2016 08:40PM

maryishere wrote: »

naw, people get in to teaching for the holidays, the pay, the security and the pension....oh and the opportunity to do grinds too;). Although the newer entrants joining now got shafted by the unions / the older teachers there already, so do always automatically get all the above.

Yeah.....nobody gets into teaching to actually eh..............teach.

Actually, teachers shouldn't be paid, have holidays or a pension. They should do it for the love of it.

But sure no doubt you'd find something else to whinge about.

I'm not even a teacher but the amount of vitriol I hear on the airwaves, online and even at the school gate directed at teachers en mass baffles me.

Personally, I find my kids teachers are excellent, go above the call of duty and do a brilliant job. It's become trendy to constantly kick teachers in the nuts. Maybe we should pay them minimum wage? I'm sure that attract serious candidates

Paulzx · 04-04-2016 08:42PM

FGR wrote: »

unlike anyone who joined the public sector post 1995 - something which I often see omitted when people 'do the maths'.

Certain people have already chosen to ignore that fact numerous times on this thread.

You're wasting your time

mulbot · 04-04-2016 08:43PM

FGR wrote: »

I for one am delighted that someone fixed the typo in the thread title :pac:

On topic - I think it's incredible how so many people here focus on the few entitlements public servants do get. I don't crib about my friends and family who are given cheques of varying amounts as a bonus at Christmas. Nor do I receive complementary health insurance, gym access, subsidised canteen, employee discounts on products etc.

Yes I do get a defined benefit pension which will work out in my favour should I live long enough to claim beyond the break even point - but that said it wasn't what made me join the PS. I joined my chosen career as it's what I wanted to do for a living. I'm sure most professionals out there became accountants, solicitors, engineers etc because they wanted to do it - not because of the incentives and rewards package.

I agree there are wasters in the public service but there's plenty in the private sector too. Neither sector is made up of martyrs but both have their ups and downs benefits wise. Also, the private sector will always get the state pension as well as whatever they sought in their own defined contribution scheme; unlike anyone who joined the public sector post 1995 - something which I often see omitted when people 'do the maths'.

Really,that's a little naive to state that

Paulzx · 04-04-2016 08:45PM

maryishere wrote: »

Is it true that if when someone who has a public sector pension passes away , the pension transfers in full to their spouse - even if that spouse is much younger than the deceased person?

No. The surviving spouse gets a death benefit pension which automatically doubles the previous pension. They also get another lump sum. This is to compensate them for the rest of the "million" euros that their spouse didn't get

FGR · 04-04-2016 08:49PM

mulbot wrote: »

Really,that's a little naive to state that

Yes, how dare I state that :pac: I also, surprisingly, believe that they are entitled to their salaries and shouldn't have them slashed at the beck and call of people working in other sectors of society.

esforum · 04-04-2016 08:59PM

maryishere wrote: »

A private sector worker could have a defined benefit pension ( I assume you mean like the one in the public sector eg Gardai )? Please tell us all where one can buy such a pension now (it was shown earlier that a Gardai's average pension is worth €1,100,000 ) and how much it would cost per year, spread out over the 30 working years you would have to work before retiring.

again with this Mary? really? Please, spell out how its worth 1.1 million. Not with links, yourself. Ah no, you did already didnt you? Ots where the Garda lives until they are 90, sorry I forgot that really fair and realistic method. :rolleyes:

Try a finanicial advisor, not my job to setup your finances. More a private sector job that.

mulbot wrote: »

That's easily the most ignorant, and stupid post I've ever read

Tell me what was incorrect? You are aware that theres private sectors that have their wages set and not arranged on a person by person basis arent you? (http://www.thejournal.ie/electricians-strike-2-1305535-Feb2014/)

maryishere wrote: »

I do not know why you are dragging self employed in to it as the self employed do not have the security, pension, holiday pay etc public servants get. I am glad I am not self employed like the other poster you replied to above, bet you are too.

I didnt drag anything into it, you made it personal by commenting on my pension and wages.The public sector arent robots, they are people. you do realise this?

And correct but again, whats your point? What part of this isnt sinking in? No public sector worker is begrudging the private sector their perks. Only you are begrudging people. Thats your angle, not mine.

well no, I tried a chosen career path but it didnt work out and I ended up as a Garda after having a few jobs but again, this is your beef not mine. I understand the simple concept of looking at careers and making a choice. You are again the one bitching about what Mr Brown has that you dont.

maryishere wrote: »

deciding your hours: ......actually its the customer that decides the hours....ask any self employed person. No clocking off at 4.30pm on a Friday for most, or taking sickies ( how come the statistics show that sickies are double in the public sector compared with the private etc ).

No, some may decide but the self employed person can say no to the customer. Again you mnust think we were all born yesterday, Do you thinbk I have never needed an ellectrician, plasterer, plumber? Never waited for a delivery? Self emplyed people work their diary and tell me when they will arrive.

Your second issue, sickies, well actually Gardai have an excellent record but as I have stated to YOU directly before, theres a reason why people tackling criminals and treating sick people all day may be a little more prone to illness than someone in an office 9 to 5. Then theres the fact that as you say, the self employed dont go sick, or should we more accurately state, its not recorded as being a sick day.

maryishere wrote: »

refusing to work:...... Not many self employed would refuse to work, for the simple fact that thety do not get paid then but most have overheads of some sort or a mortgage or living expenses

No one gets paid when they refuse to work but agains THEY HAVE THE CHOICE TO TURN BUSINESS DOWN. Whether many do or not is not the point. The option exists. I get ordered to work including on my days off and having holidays cancelled. Did YOU enjoy St Patricks day? I sure as hell didnt considering I was supposed to be off! O but wait, I got overtime so now my annual income is up and I am a greedy overpaid public sector worker.

But wait, the public sector dont have bills and mortgages for some reason, Thats a new one Mary, care to expand on that?

maryishere wrote: »

collective bargaining:.... most self employed never heard of such a word - there is always some other person (Irish or eastern European or whatever) or shop or service ( Irish based or foreign based ) who will provide the goods or service. We are in the EC after all and the internet has made the world a small place.

again not the issue at play at all, most strikes are by private sector. Unions are and I cannot believe I have to say this to you again, not only in the public sector but by your own words the private sector is replaceable, so therefore not as vital as Gardai, thanks for the complement Mary.

(Hint: Electricians are private sector.)

maryishere wrote: »

Most private sector workers do not get big fat Christmas bonuses either.

Plenty do though and thats the point. Not all public sector get Christmas off but you still jump all over it every given chance.

maryishere wrote: »

Teachers get loads of holidays at Christmas and other times of the year.

See, always the go to arguement for you Mary.

maryishere wrote: »

I know some teachers who do very well getting gifts from kids parents at Christmas, boxes of chocolates etc - thats more than many private sector workers get. Another teacher I know who does grinds - nice little nixers - gets a nice little bonus at xmas too;);)

Oh FFS! Seriously? A box of ****ing chocolates is your gripe now? Because you dont think companies send their customers gifts? Would you wake the **** up!

Actually, you must be a troll, theres really no other explanation at this stage. Im done, you are ignored.

maudgonner wrote: »

Actually if you read more carefully what I said, I think performance-related pay would be a good idea for certain roles on the public sector. But I don't think it would work for all roles - for example, I don't think teachers should be rewarded based on their pupil's exam performance. The US brought in exactly that system - No Child Left Behind - and it was a disaster, hugely harming kids and teachers. Likewise, I don't think Gardaí should be on a bonus system for how many arrests/convictions they make. But for clerical officers, for example, I think it might work.

We are still back at my wages, what am I worth and why less than (insert other job here). I fail to see why I shouldnt be rewarded for a lot of convictions / tickets other than people wouldnt like the Gardai suddently losing their discretion (but agree with Mick and Daly when they go after it for some reason)

maudgonner wrote: »

I'm a freelance contractor - I work for a company. I don't get to set my hours. They can, do, and recently have, told me on a Friday that I can take the next week off. That's not them being kind, that's a polite way of saying 'we can't pay you next week, don't come in'. Yes, I can decide to refuse a contract - but that means I don't work. Collective bargaining? I'm not even sure what that means, it certainly doesn't apply to me. I don't know how that invalidates the points I'm making - you were the one who brought personal circumstances into it, not me.

Its personal from the start, you are discussing my career, my pay, my pension. It was personal the second you commented.

freelance contractor. freelance = self employed. Contractor = contracted for a set duration for a defined purpose.

YOU made that decision, no one made it for you and when you made that decision you knew the pros and cons of that choose compared to all others.

and again, the fact that your chosen career doesnt collective bargain changes nothing. It still happens all the time in the private sector but not in mine.

You nor Mary came in arguing specific careers, you were both clear. Public V Private. You stated that the public sector should earn less because of A, B and C, I have countered with perks that exist in the private sector.

(by the way collective bargaining means a union or national structure where freelance is concerned.)

esforum · 04-04-2016 09:01PM

Paulzx wrote: »

No. The surviving spouse gets a death benefit pension which automatically doubles the previous pension. They also get another lump sum. This is to compensate them for the rest of the "million" euros that their spouse didn't get

not even that good for Gardai. We pay a widow and orphin pension scheme thats based over 40 years not 30 for the sake of Mary

04-04-2016 09:04PM

esforum wrote: »

not even that good for Gardai. We pay a widow and orphin pension scheme thats based over 40 years not 30 for the sake of Mary

And just to point out that ALL gardai pay into this.
Even the unmarried & childless, who will never see the benefit of it.

esforum · 04-04-2016 09:04PM

maryishere wrote: »

Is it true that if when someone who has a public sector pension passes away , the pension transfers in full to their spouse - even if that spouse is much younger than the deceased person?

wow, is that just another reason you came up with yourself?

esforum · 04-04-2016 09:06PM

bubblypop wrote: »

And just to point out that ALL gardai pay into this.
Even the unmarried & childless, who will never see the benefit of it.

what! The shambles, absolute shambles. You know what you should do bubblepop? GO round to my house after I die and steal some food from the fridge, you bought it afterall.

(give the lazy cow living off Mary's taxes a kick as your leaving and if shes not there, the youngest kid)

Get Real · 04-04-2016 09:11PM

maryishere wrote: »

Most private sector workers do not get big fat Christmas bonuses either.

I know some teachers who do very well getting gifts from kids parents at Christmas, boxes of chocolates etc - thats more than many private sector workers get. Another teacher I know who does grinds - nice little nixers - gets a nice little bonus at xmas too;);)

Teachers get loads of holidays at Christmas and other times of the year.

I've looked in and out of this forum over the past while.

And I can understand both sides at times as I have worked in both public and private. TBH there's positives and negatives to both.

Too many people take a grass is greener approach. But this post above is just madness.

That has nothing to do with pay or anything. Those parents decide to give teachers Christmas presents of their own free will. Are we going to start analyzing how many presents or thank yous a job gets from members of the public now?

And she does grinds to get more money...well yeah, wouldn't you? Thats a good business attitude and if she can make money off private individuals who want her services, fair play to her. Whats the;) for as if its some hush hush thing?

If its so good, why not apply yourself? Don't you want the job if its so great? So go for it!

People, this is not public v private. There are good and bad to both. This is about inequality, suffered within the public service and within the private service.

Its also about huge rent inflation, mortgage rules, uncertainty about forming a government. Why those in the public sector have been shafted by their older colleagues. Why those in the private sector have been shafted by their management, why people with half the qualifications have jumped in ahead of them because of nepotism and connections.

Whatever sector you're in, if you're getting f~~~ed, you should complain about your conditions, not each other.

You should put pressure on, or change to a job thats better to its employees or upskill and leave. This applies to both sectors.

It should not come down to who gets nice little Christmas presents, a box of Quality Street perhaps, at the end of the year.

04-04-2016 09:15PM

esforum wrote: »

what! The shambles, absolute shambles. You know what you should do bubblepop? GO round to my house after I die and steal some food from the fridge, you bought it afterall.

(give the lazy cow living off Mary's taxes a kick as your leaving and if shes not there, the youngest kid)

Excuse me?
Whatever about you going off on others who have a problem with the public service, to treat your own like that?
I won't be backing up any of your arguments from now on.

Garda, nurses, teachers and doctor's pay

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