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howdee · 01-04-2016 09:59PM

Milk protein has hit 2.9 here.iv never seen it under 3 before for this time of year. Cows are on 5kg meal, 4 kg of grass and the balance in silage. Silage is 72 dmd. I cant give any more grass so was thinking of upping the meal to 6 or 7kgs. Any thoughts.? Was also thinking of putting in 2kg of beet pulp nuts.

jaymla627 · 01-04-2016 10:05PM

Dawggone wrote: »

"High input farming doesn't necessarily mean high cost"...

If this poor weather continues (I sincerely hope it doesn't) will animals suffer?

The only thing suffering here at the minute is my overdraft trying to keep meal into them haha, their is some serious bills been ran up at the minute for feed that nobody was expecting/accounting for and it's just going to be exacerbated with milk price on the floor.
I see Jim Bergin of Glanbia was forecasting low low 20's for the rest of the year with cuts immeniant at supplier meetings, if it does come to pass that 2-3 cent gets shaved of march/april/may milk can see it having a devasting effect on dairy farmers confidence going forward for the rest of the year when you take in the spring we are trying to endure

trixi2011 · 01-04-2016 10:08PM

Just after standing off the cows there now some pile of rain falling . Think il have to try and figure a way of housing everything tomorrow.

Dawggone · 01-04-2016 10:13PM

jaymla627 wrote: »

The only thing suffering here at the minute is my overdraft trying to keep meal into them haha, their is some serious bills been ran up at the minute for feed that nobody was expecting/accounting for and it's just going to be exacerbated with milk price on the floor.
I see Jim Bergin of Glanbia was forecasting low low 20's for the rest of the year with cuts immeniant at supplier meetings, if it does come to pass that 2-3 cent gets shaved of march/april/may milk can see it having a devasting effect on dairy farmers confidence going forward for the rest of the year when you take in the spring we are trying to endure

True.
I was talking to the Boss earlier today and he was saying that an extra 4 loads per day of feed were going out over this time last year. Good year for merchants.

You're not alone. The phone was hopping yesterday urging me to contract new season wheat at €134...

freedominacup · 01-04-2016 10:35PM

Dawggone wrote: »

You're not alone. The phone was hopping yesterday urging me to contract new season wheat at €134...

Phone hopping. Someone buying grain telling you not to miss the boat on committing to a low price. I know f'all about futures markets or hedging but that sounds suss to me.

C0N0R · 01-04-2016 10:51PM

howdee wrote: »

Milk protein has hit 2.9 here.iv never seen it under 3 before for this time of year. Cows are on 5kg meal, 4 kg of grass and the balance in silage. Silage is 72 dmd. I cant give any more grass so was thinking of upping the meal to 6 or 7kgs. Any thoughts.? Was also thinking of putting in 2kg of beet pulp nuts.

What's yield? And what's ufl of meal? Need to get more energy into diet

liam7831 · 01-04-2016 10:53PM

I can see a lot of new entrants ending up in money trouble with the banks in the next 12 to 18 months as i presume there loans are based on a milk price of 34 or 35 cent. Will be a long time before we see those figures again id say.

mahoney_j · 01-04-2016 11:02PM

liam7831 wrote: »

I can see a lot of new entrants ending up in money trouble with the banks in the next 12 to 18 months as i presume there loans are based on a milk price of 34 or 35 cent. Will be a long time before we see those figures again id say.

Tbf most new entrants will be fine as few would of been crazy enough to budget at a milk price of 34/35 cent ..a lot would of had to spend big money to convert alright but some would have substantial sfp and beef /sucklers to offload to offset some of cost .

mahoney_j · 01-04-2016 11:08PM

howdee wrote: »

Milk protein has hit 2.9 here.iv never seen it under 3 before for this time of year. Cows are on 5kg meal, 4 kg of grass and the balance in silage. Silage is 72 dmd. I cant give any more grass so was thinking of upping the meal to 6 or 7kgs. Any thoughts.? Was also thinking of putting in 2kg of beet pulp nuts.

2.9 p signals lack of energy in diet .72 Dmd silage ain't good enough for milkers now either .needs to be 78/80 with me over 12 .energy in diet is now key a maize /barley /hulls /soya mix is what id recommend balanced at 16% p.grass is scarce also which is a big problem all over now and will get worse over next 2 weeks with little improvement forecast .

liam7831 · 01-04-2016 11:12PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Tbf most new entrants will be fine as few would of been crazy enough to budget at a milk price of 34/35 cent ..a lot would of had to spend big money to convert alright but some would have substantial sfp and beef /sucklers to offload to offset some of cost .

I doubt they forecasted a drop of 10c a litre. Im talking about new entrants to dairy not suckler farmers

mahoney_j · 01-04-2016 11:15PM

liam7831 wrote: »

I doubt they forecasted a drop of 10c a litre. Im talking about new entrants to dairy not suckler farmers

No one in there right mind though milk was going to stay at that level .isnt a suckler man that converted to dairying a new entrant ???

liam7831 · 01-04-2016 11:18PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

No one in there right mind though milk was going to stay at that level .isnt a suckler man that converted to dairying a new entrant ???

Ok your obviously an expert on what everybody was thinking so we will leave it at that

howdee · 01-04-2016 11:22PM

mahoney_j wrote: »

2.9 p signals lack of energy in diet .72 Dmd silage ain't good enough for milkers now either .needs to be 78/80 with me over 12 .energy in diet is now key a maize /barley /hulls /soya mix is what id recommend balanced at 16% p.grass is scarce also which is a big problem all over now and will get worse over next 2 weeks with little improvement forecast .

I agree 72 aint good enough i had 82dmd bales for the milkers but didn't have enough. Meal is a 3 way mix of 40% barley 30%hulls and 30%distillers grains. Protein of that is around 14. Most years I would be at grass ft at this stage with only enough meal to cover calmag. Yield is 23l with 30% heifers.

mahoney_j · 01-04-2016 11:23PM

liam7831 wrote: »

Ok your obviously an expert on what everybody was thinking so we will leave it at that

Jaysus ....I'm a dairy farmer ,you asked a question I gave an honest unbiased answer

mahoney_j · 01-04-2016 11:28PM

howdee wrote: »

I agree 72 aint good enough i had 82dmd bales for the milkers but didn't have enough. Meal is a 3 way mix of 40% barley 30%hulls and 30%distillers grains. Protein of that is around 14. Most years I would be at grass ft at this stage with only enough meal to cover calmag. Yield is 23l with 30% heifers.

I'm hearing of p results down at 2.6 in my coop .crap really hitting the fan now as weather is shire ,grass scarce and minimal growth as well as poor milk price .cows need to be kept fed nowwith breeding a month away and whilst average /poor quality silage ain't good enough it'll have to do and remaining diet with whatever grass is there and a good balanced nut/ration

freedominacup · 02-04-2016 01:18AM

howdee wrote: »

I agree 72 aint good enough i had 82dmd bales for the milkers but didn't have enough. Meal is a 3 way mix of 40% barley 30%hulls and 30%distillers grains. Protein of that is around 14. Most years I would be at grass ft at this stage with only enough meal to cover calmag. Yield is 23l with 30% heifers.

Distillers is part of your problem also. It was discussed on the grass right thread during the week. Basically the wrong type of protein for grass. Too much hulls in it atm also.15% soya, 15% hulls or pulp, 30 each of maize and barley.5 molasses and mins plus cal mag until the jump is passed. You could get away without any pr source once things start to rock grass wise.

Dawggone · 02-04-2016 02:16AM

freedominacup wrote: »

Phone hopping. Someone buying grain telling you not to miss the boat on committing to a low price. I know f'all about futures markets or hedging but that sounds suss to me.

Filling a July order for Egypt Free.
Better than the €112 that was on offer...

whelan2 · 02-04-2016 06:21AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

Tbf most new entrants will be fine as few would of been crazy enough to budget at a milk price of 34/35 cent ..a lot would of had to spend big money to convert alright but some would have substantial sfp and beef /sucklers to offload to offset some of cost .

What milk price are banks basing loans on now?

mahoney_j · 02-04-2016 07:32AM

whelan2 wrote: »

What milk price are banks basing loans on now?

26/27

blackdog1 · 02-04-2016 08:16AM

Bloody whole crop is finished Sunday..things are gonna get interesting now...Gonna give them 3kg of 70% maize 30% soya hulls. Any thoughts or would I be better off buying a load of maize silage?.

whelan2 · 02-04-2016 09:43AM

mahoney_j wrote: »

26/27

Someone posted the other day that Bergin is saying a Glanbia price in the low twenties. Is that a reality or Glanbias bottom of the table price?

mahoney_j · 02-04-2016 09:47AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Someone posted the other day that Bergin is saying a Glanbia price in the low twenties. Is that a reality or Glanbias bottom of the table price?

Our CEO in Arrabawn is confident markets have now bottomed out with new announcement on extra intervention storage for powder .i hope he is right

arctic8dave · 02-04-2016 09:53AM

Was out of silage around the 20th of Feb here buying silage from a neighbour at €20 in the yard was only average but glad to it off someone I trust. 1st of march fat was 4.67 & 2.95 pr Cows out full time since 10 march & last test was 3.82 f &3.37 pr milking 28.5 lts never had we such as high in march. It's hard grazing condition at the moment such as yesterday when pissing all day long back fences & holding them in collecting yard. Plenty grass here cause renting 30 acres extra that we weren't expecting eldery neighbouring farmer approached us.
This weather & grazing is testing though here in mid cork anyway but well worth it.

freedominacup · 02-04-2016 10:09AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

Bloody whole crop is finished Sunday..things are gonna get interesting now...Gonna give them 3kg of 70% maize 30% soya hulls. Any thoughts or would I be better off buying a load of maize silage?.

I've found that type of mix to be a bit unpalatable. Through a tmr buffer probably be fine, on it's own I'd be watching to make sure they were all getting enough if fed on its own.

blackdog1 · 02-04-2016 10:22AM

freedominacup wrote: »

I've found that type of mix to be a bit unpalatable. Through a tmr buffer probably be fine on it's own . I'd be watching to make sure they were all getting enough if fed on its own.

I'm tmr so no problem. I'm caught between feeding that mix or feeding 3 kg of crimp wheat instead and throwing some straw in.Protein for the month was 3.49 and 4.3 fat so I'm anxious to hold that.

howdee · 02-04-2016 10:25AM

freedominacup wrote: »

Distillers is part of your problem also. It was discussed on the grass right thread during the week. Basically the wrong type of protein for grass. Too much hulls in it atm also.15% soya, 15% hulls or pulp, 30 each of maize and barley.5 molasses and mins plus cal mag until the jump is passed. You could get away without any pr source once things start to rock grass wise.

Have 6 ton of the bloody stuff to use up tho first. Iv upped the meal to 6kg this morning, and i might up it to 7 in a day or two.

freedominacup · 02-04-2016 10:39AM

liam7831 wrote: »

I can see a lot of new entrants ending up in money trouble with the banks in the next 12 to 18 months as i presume there loans are based on a milk price of 34 or 35 cent. Will be a long time before we see those figures again id say.

I can see a certain amount of begrudery in that post. I know four new entrants. Three in my discussion group and one my next door neighbour. All gone from 40 odd a couple of years ago to 160 or so this year. All suckler converts. All doing a good job. I'd have no fear for any of them.

freedominacup · 02-04-2016 10:42AM

blackdog1 wrote: »

I'm tmr so no problem. I'm caught between feeding that mix or feeding 3 kg of crimp wheat instead and throwing some straw in.Protein for the month was 3.49 and 4.3 fat so I'm anxious to hold that.

You have the wheat. It's not great to keep into a second season or when usage rates drop. I think I'd be getting the wheat used. Not generating another bill either.

yosemitesam1 · 02-04-2016 10:44AM

howdee wrote: »

Have 6 ton of the bloody stuff to use up tho first. Iv upped the meal to 6kg this morning, and i might up it to 7 in a day or two.

The amino acids in distillers aren't in the right balance for cows so you would want to keep it high unless you could get a bit of soya into them, a kg of barley with silage might be beneficial

whelan2 · 02-04-2016 10:48AM

freedominacup wrote: »

I can see a certain amount of begrudery in that post. I know four new entrants. Three in my discussion group and one my next door neighbour. All gone from 40 odd a couple of years ago to 160 or so this year. All suckler converts. All doing a good job. I'd have no fear for any of them.

There are people who cannot wait for these guys to fail. Let them work away , have enough to be worrying about with whats going on on my farm without worrying about tommy up the road

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