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Giving women time off for periods

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I think it's a great idea to give women time off work for their time of the month!

    That way, I wouldn't be subjected to their over-sharing!! :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,432 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    kuntboy wrote: »
    You know what I hate, Joe? It's one liner smart-arses who come onto message boards and take the piss because they are so cool and don't give a fock. Its a bloody disgrace, Joe!

    Do you need time off work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    If I was the lawmaker bringing this in, women would have to disclose the days they are menstruating each month, and disclose their choice of contraception too (those that kill the cycle anyway)

    When all these boxes are ticked, and shenanigans ruled out, they can take a day or two as unpaid leave.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Lau2976


    I think that employers need to be more aware that there are women that suffer greatly during their period and in that case it's acceptable but that's not a reoccurring issue for most women

    I have issues with my menstration, problems which cause me agonizing, vomit inducing cramps and have often resulted in me passing out. I haveedical certificates disclosing this an when I was working I had a female manager tell a male manager that it's probably not that bad and I didn't need that much time off.

    Female and male managers and employers need more understanding of the issues some women face. If I went to a manager with a stomach bug they probably wouldn't bat an eyelid but that's not the case with periods. Although i do think it's a wider societal issue (I had an similar experience with a teacher in school that resulted in me dreading school) that needs to be addressed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Lau2976


    If I was the lawmaker bringing this in, women would have to disclose the days they are menstruating each month, and disclose their choice of contraception too (those that kill the cycle anyway)

    When all these boxes are ticked, and shenanigans ruled out, they can take a day or two as unpaid leave.

    I think whether or not they have a period is enough, not what contraceptive they use.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Lau2976 wrote: »
    I think that employers need to be more aware that there are women that suffer greatly during their period and in that case it's acceptable but that's not a reoccurring issue for most women

    I have issues with my menstration, problems which cause me agonizing, vomit inducing cramps and have often resulted in me passing out. I haveedical certificates disclosing this an when I was working I had a female manager tell a male manager that it's probably not that bad and I didn't need that much time off.

    Female and male managers and employers need more understanding of the issues some women face. If I went to a manager with a stomach bug they probably wouldn't bat an eyelid but that's not the case with periods. Although i do think it's a wider societal issue (I had an similar experience with a teacher in school that resulted in me dreading school) that needs to be addressed.


    I think I'd be ok with a woman telling me they'd a stomach bug and we'd both just "know", rather than having her explain the whole thing...

    I'd be old fashioned though, it's not particularly something I need to know about :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,790 ✭✭✭up for anything


    1940s Ireland will never die. :eek:

    Perhaps those women who suffer worse than most could let people know in a roundabout euphemistic way that wouldn't cause any embarrassment or offence to sensitive souls. Instead of saying the painters are in, they could say something like, "Jaysus, it's like the killing fields 'down there' this month" although by saying this month and down there they may be being too direct. It's really awkward, isn't it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    I think I'd be ok with a woman telling me they'd a stomach bug and we'd both just "know", rather than having her explain the whole thing...

    I'd be old fashioned though, it's not particularly something I need to know about :o

    Ah here, you married and all, you should be well used to it.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    "I'm like a walking episode of CSI. Its like the aftermath of a mass slaughter in my pants. If I was a waterfall, I'd be Satans Waterfall of Blood. If I was out surfing, it'd be on the Crimson tide. If Dracula was in the area, he'd wouldn't have to bite. I'm suffering from the Communist Invasion. It's an absolute gusher, lads. Everybody stand back"

    Something euphemistic like that?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭Lavinia


    I think I'd be ok with a woman telling me they'd a stomach bug and we'd both just "know", rather than having her explain the whole thing...

    I'd be old fashioned though, it's not particularly something I need to know about :o
    then if you are in some kind of pain she shouldn't need to know about it ether right?



    :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Fast Question, When was there rise in extreme menstrual pain ? Is it documented or is it all anecdotal. I would have thought it would be no more of a problem than in the past.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fast Question, When was there rise in extreme menstrual pain ? Is it documented or is it all anecdotal. I would have thought it would be no more of a problem than in the past.

    People just talk about it more openly now, I'd guess. It wouldn't have been spoken of in polite company until fairly recently, so it's hard to guage how much people suffered before.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Candie wrote: »
    People just talk about it more openly now, I'd guess. It wouldn't have been spoken of in polite company until fairly recently, so it's hard to guage how much people suffered before.

    I dunno about that, Had a chat with the other half about this. She said the exact same thing I did. It only takes one woman to take the leave before the others would feel she is getting time off and they are not. Then justify stuff like going out waking up feeling like crap and calling it in as Period. I'm a firm believer that people will take the P*ss any chance they can get these days.


  • Posts: 26,219 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I dunno about that, Had a chat with the other half about this. She said the exact same thing I did. It only takes one woman to take the leave before the others would feel she is getting time off and they are not. Then justify stuff like going out waking up feeling like crap and calling it in as Period. I'm a firm believer that people will take the P*ss any chance they can get these days.

    Yeah but that has nothing to do with whether people suffered more in the past or more now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    I dunno about that, Had a chat with the other half about this. She said the exact same thing I did. It only takes one woman to take the leave before the others would feel she is getting time off and they are not. Then justify stuff like going out waking up feeling like crap and calling it in as Period. I'm a firm believer that people will take the P*ss any chance they can get these days.

    That doesn't negate the fact that many women genuinely do suffer with painful periods. And they aren't taking the p*ss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,063 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Tasden wrote: »
    That doesn't negate the fact that many women genuinely do suffer with painful periods. And they aren't taking the p*ss.

    Course, but all it takes is one to take the piss, and we all know there would be. If it was brought in, that women had an automatic right to take days off around their period, I'd just hire men instead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Ah here, you married and all, you should be well used to it.


    It's not something that generally comes up tbh. If it's in relation to a medical condition or talking about sex education or something, then I could talk about it, but under normal circumstances I'm just not comfortable talking about it is all.

    Lavinia wrote: »
    then if you are in some kind of pain she shouldn't need to know about it ether right?


    I'm trying to think of what kind of comparable pain I could be in, but I can't think of any equivalent tbh. I always say you can't just reverse the genders like that, and in this case, that definitely applies!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,063 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    titan18 wrote: »
    Course, but all it takes is one to take the piss, and we all know there would be. If it was brought in, that women had an automatic right to take days off around their period, I'd just hire men instead.

    Ya have the auld gender quota stuff to handle then


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Ya have the auld gender quota stuff to handle then

    We have legislation for in relation to jobs/hiring ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭Lavinia


    I'm trying to think of what kind of comparable pain I could be in, but I can't think of any equivalent tbh. I always say you can't just reverse the genders like that, and in this case, that definitely applies!!
    any kind of pain (headache, toothache, whatever), why it has to be the same?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Lavinia wrote: »
    any kind of pain (headache, toothache, whatever), why it has to be the same?


    That's my point - period pains and so on aren't comparable at all with headache, toothache, whatever. I've worked with women all my life and it's only lately among the younger generation that they feel I need to know about these things. I really don't, that's my point. I would have no issue with giving women time off or women taking time off at that time, but I just don't feel a need to know someone so intimately in that regard is all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭Lavinia


    That's my point - period pains and so on aren't comparable at all with headache, toothache, whatever. .
    And you can say that because you know, but woman who is in fact in pain when she has her period - she does not know. And you will show no compassion - well, because you Know.

    wow :rolleyes:

    Btw period pain can be much worse than headache or even toothache at times. It does not even has to be the same for one woman for all her life, there were periods in my life when my periods were extremely painful, then there was also time when there was almost no pain. It is never "pleasurable" however.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Lavinia wrote: »
    And you can say that because you know, but woman who is in fact in pain when she has her period - she does not know. And you will show no compassion - well, because you Know.

    wow :rolleyes:


    You're taking me up completely wrong. I wouldn't compare them because I imagine period pains are a lot worse, certainly from what I have been told, and I don't know where you got the impression I'd show no compassion. I just wouldn't want to know the details, also not the same thing as showing no compassion.

    EDIT: Just saw your edit, yeah I think you definitely took me up wrong as we're actually in agreement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭Lavinia


    You're taking me up completely wrong. I wouldn't compare them because I imagine period pains are a lot worse, certainly from what I have been told, and I don't know where you got the impression I'd show no compassion. I just wouldn't want to know the details, also not the same thing as showing no compassion.
    Yea well, its not that its THAT gross really, so not sure whats the problem.

    Fear of blood? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Lavinia wrote: »
    Yea well, its not that its THAT gross really, so not sure whats the problem.

    Fear of blood? :pac:


    No no, it's nothing like that or fear of anything, I just don't want to know is all. Some bodily functions I just don't need to know about is all, and I don't think I'd ever get to a point where I could have a chat with a woman over a coffee while we talk casually about her period. I'd just be too weirded out tbh :pac:

    Genuinely I don't understand the modern need to be so open about these things. That's why I said I'd give women the rime off, to avoid the over-sharing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭Lavinia


    No no, it's nothing like that or fear of anything, I just don't want to know is all. Some bodily functions I just don't need to know about is all, and I don't think I'd ever get to a point where I could have a chat with a woman over a coffee while we talk casually about her period. I'd just be too weirded out tbh :pac:

    Genuinely I don't understand the modern need to be so open about these things. That's why I said I'd give women the rime off, to avoid the over-sharing!
    Its not "talking about period" it is about what your wife (for example, because you have mentioned her) is experiencing.
    I see nothing wrong in sharing it with one who is close to you.
    If you would be sick I presume you would have no troubles explaing to her how you feel, and that shed be asking you about it.

    So yes, I still see no problem, and you haven't really explained it (not that you have to, think for yourself, you do not need to tell it to me)...

    Btw you call it "bodily function" so is it that just the fact it is happening to women each month is making it less important or something to be ignored?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,166 ✭✭✭Tasden


    I think there is a difference between a woman casually saying "i have bad cramps/i have a migraine because I'm on my period" and a woman "discussing her period". I know a woman who used to talk about bloating and how heavy her flow is, etc. That, imo, is too much info. Whereas a mention of cramps is just as normal as a headache or toothache imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,945 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Lavinia wrote: »
    Its not "talking about period" it is about what your wife (for example, because you have mentioned her) is experiencing.
    I see nothing wrong in sharing it with one who is close to you.
    If you would be sick I presume you would have no troubles explaing to her how you feel, and that shed be asking you about it.

    So yes, I still see no problem, and you haven't really explained it (not that you have to, think for yourself, you do not need to tell it to me)...


    You probably see no problem because it's something you're used to, whereas for me I wouldn't be used to it or comfortable with it at all. If it was something serious then obviously I'd be concerned, but I'd have no idea what a woman is talking about as I'd have no experience of it myself or anything I could even compare it to.

    Btw you call it "bodily function" so is it that just the fact it is happening to women each month is making it less important or something to be ignored?


    I'd put it in the same category as intimate hygiene issues is all. I wouldn't want to have a conversation with someone about their bathroom experiences either...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,112 ✭✭✭Lavinia


    FYI those things are not the same at all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Fast Question, When was there rise in extreme menstrual pain ?

    I think it was introduced in one of the last Fine Gael budgets.


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