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Garda, nurses, teachers and doctor's pay

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  • #392
    purplecow1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,879 ✭✭✭purplecow1977


    I simply quoted the link as I happened across it that morning on the Irish Times site and I felt it was relevant to this thread.


  • #393
    discus
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    When taking Garda pensions into account, you must consider that after 30 years on the beat, a Garda (much like the statistics about prison officers) tend to die much younger.

    A life of shiftwork will do that. So they don't actually get every penny of that pension.


  • #394
    Paulzx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,150 ✭✭✭Paulzx


    maryishere wrote: »
    On retirement after 30 years the garda is entitled to a tax-free lump sum of €79,233, and an annual pension of €26,411.
    .

    Which includes 12000 euro from the state old age pension which every other person in the state will also receive.

    So the 30 years of service and contributions is in fact only worth 14000.


    I love the headline that Gardai retire as "millionaires" due to the pension.

    As if they receive it all in one go. Sensationalist nonsense


  • #395
    Inspector Coptoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,818 ✭✭✭Inspector Coptoor


    Paulzx wrote: »
    Which includes 12000 euro from the state old age pension which every other person in the state will also receive.

    So the 30 years of service and contributions is in fact only worth 14000.


    I love the headline that Gardai retire as "millionaires" due to the pension.

    As if they receive it all in one go. Sensationalist nonsense

    And if they die at age 51 or 52, where does the million euro go?


  • #396
    snubbleste
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,119 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Garda recruit who quit now whining about it on Newstalk.


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  • #397
    evolving_doors
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,810 ✭✭✭✭evolving_doors


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Garda recruit who quit now whining about it on Newstalk.

    Ya what they really need is for IBEC to come on and recommend less than minimum wage. Then maybe Newstalk will be happy.


  • #398
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Garda recruit who quit now whining about it on Newstalk.

    You might do the same if you were on the same pay and conditions as him.


  • #399
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You might do the same if you were on the same pay and conditions as him.

    If I was aged 20 without a degree and in a secure job on the first steps of a ladder - a ladder which sees people retiring after 30 years work with a pension package worth €1.1 million on average - I would not be whining, I would be delighted. There are obvious inequalities in Irish life, nobody else can retire at 50 like that. The new recruits to the Gardai ( as well as young nurses, teachers etc) have been shafted by the unions who have protected the much better off in society.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-26518918.html


  • #400
    tayto lover
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    maryishere wrote: »
    If I was aged 20 without a degree and in a secure job on the first steps of a ladder - a ladder which sees people retiring after 30 years work with a pension package worth €1.1 million on average - I would not be whining, I would be delighted. There are obvious inequalities in Irish life, nobody else can retire at 50 like that.
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/garda-pension-worth-11m-26518918.html

    There's a vacancy. Go for it.

    Pay peanuts and you get monkeys. Only this time even the monkeys are objecting.


  • #401
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tayto lover wrote: »
    There's a vacancy. Go for it.

    Only this time even the monkeys are objecting.

    There are no shortage of applicants. Some will always find something to whine about, its human nature. If they joined 30 years ago they would not be whining now.


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  • #402
    tayto lover
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    maryishere wrote: »
    There are no shortage of applicants. Some will always find something to whine about, its human nature. If they joined 30 years ago they would not be whining now.

    You must be an employer Marty. You want everyone working for very little.


  • #403
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tayto lover wrote: »
    You must be an employer Marty. You want everyone working for very little.

    No not everyone working for very little. Just fairness and equality in society. Was it not Henry Ford who said that he wanted his employees paid a fair wage, so they could afford to buy things?


  • #404
    tayto lover
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    maryishere wrote: »
    No not everyone working for very little. Just fairness and equality in society. Was it not Henry Ford who said that he wanted his employees paid a fair wage, so they could afford to buy things?

    23K for nurses and guards is not a fair wage.


  • #405
    maryishere
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    23K for nurses and guards is not a fair wage.

    Many people who are also starting off in other careers earn the same or less.
    Anyway, as said before, the new recruits to the Gardai ( as well as young nurses, teachers etc) have been shafted by the unions who have protected the much better off in society.


  • #406
    tayto lover
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Many people who are also starting off in other careers earn the same or less.
    Anyway, as said before, the new recruits to the Gardai ( as well as young nurses, teachers etc) have been shafted by the unions who have protected the much better off in society.

    The Garda have no Union. That seems to be their problem. Nobody to fight their cause.


  • #407
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    tayto lover wrote: »
    The Garda have no Union. That seems to be their problem.

    No need for unions if average Garda pay is 60k a year and they retire after only 30 years service with a pension package worth €1.1 million on average.


  • #408
    tayto lover
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    maryishere wrote: »
    No need for unions if average Garda pay is 60k a year and they retire after only 30 years service with a pension package worth €1.1 million on average.

    The average can be anything.
    If the lowest is on 23 K and the highest Garda is on 90 K then the average is 56.5K. But the low lad is still on 23K.

    As for the pension it's great when they get it but as some posters said yesterday they don't seem to live too long after they retire because of shift work. I certainly wouldn't do their job for 23K.


  • #409
    osarusan
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Some will always find something to whine about, its human nature.
    Irony of this post, after all your moaning.


  • #410
    maryishere
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    tayto lover wrote: »
    The average can be anything.
    If the lowest is on 23 K and the highest Garda is on 90 K then the average is 56.5K. But the low lad is still on 23K.
    There are thousands in the Gardai so average tend to be averages. Of course some will be higher and some lower.
    tayto lover wrote: »
    As for the pension it's great when they get it but as some posters said yesterday they don't seem to live too long after they retire because of shift work.

    Many factory workers do a lot more shift work than Gardai ...do they get a big pension and retire at 50 but drop dead at 51 or 52 too?

    And farmers up all night with cows calving and lambs being born, or fishermen at sea for nights on end in bad weather...are their lives shortened too?


  • #411
    tayto lover
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    maryishere wrote: »
    There are thousands in the Gardai so average tend to be averages. Of course some will be higher and some lower.



    Many factory workers do a lot more shift work than Gardai ...do they get a big pension and retire at 50 but drop dead at 51 or 52 too?

    And farmers up all night with cows calving and lambs being born, or fishermen at sea for nights on end in bad weather...are their lives shortened too?

    Now you have different averages. There should only be one surely.
    My point about the pension is that you can't live on it when your in your 20's so it's all live horse.


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  • #412
    Letree
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    These guys driving trains and trams and buses seem to think they are worth their weight in gold. Refusing an 18% payrise is crazy. They should have taken in and ran in disbelief at being offered that much. .


  • #413
    tayto lover
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    Letree wrote: »
    These guys driving trains and trams and buses seem to think they are worth their weight in gold. Refusing an 18% payrise is crazy. They should have taken in and ran in disbelief at being offered that much. .

    Someone seems to have put a spanner in the works though. Looked like the offer was accepted last week.
    More to it than the eye can see. It will all come out in time i'm sure.


  • #414
    TheHillOfDoom
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    I'm sorry, but have any of you ever required garda assistance?


  • #415
    esforum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    maryishere wrote: »
    No need for unions if average Garda pay is 60k a year and they retire after only 30 years service with a pension package worth €1.1 million on average.

    Really? Do you live in some sort of Groundhog day? this has all been done.

    Mary makes silly comments, the flaws are pointed out, Mary vanishes for a while, then comes back and makes silly comments......................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=99095729&postcount=341


  • #416
    esforum
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    IN regards the pension, I point out again to Mary

    Theres no explanation as to how those numbers were reached. None, not one iota. Just a new 2 man company getting their names mentioned.

    1.2 million, Garda pension at 26,411 having paid in a minimum of 11% for a minimum of 30 years

    A, Thats average. Do I need to explain averages again? Me on 10,000. Commissioner on 90,000. Garda average 50,000 even though I will never make this ever ever ever.

    B, 11% of 50,000 (supposed average wage) equates to 5500 per annum pension payment. Over 30 years that 165,000 not 110,000 so the study is way off already.

    C, 26,000 per year + 79,000 gratuity. Gardai live alledgedy less than 10 years into retirement, Cant back up this mind you, just something the GRA mentioned before, lets assume Gardai live to the average of 75 for arguements sake. 79,000 + 660.000 (26,000 per annum for 25 years). Very much not worth a million,

    D, Now lets remember that Gardai joiinging since 2004 must work until 55 not 50

    E, Now lets also state that Gardai also must continue to pay the widows and orphin portion of their payments for 40 years, not 30.

    F, Lets also accept the stats that a career of shift work takes 10 years of yout life, thats knocking a shift worker down to 65 and also halving the pension pot but makes no dent into the pension payments. And yes mary once again, factory worker can retire at 50 and on the same pension provided they A, make sufficient payments or B, join the public sector.

    Want to earn a doctors money? Go to medical school. Want to be a millionaire, start up a company and make it profitable. Want a Garda pension? Join up!

    (By the way, have you found the millionaire civil servant and the garda breaking the top 100 rich list yet?)


  • #417
    esforum
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    Letree wrote: »
    These guys driving trains and trams and buses seem to think they are worth their weight in gold. Refusing an 18% payrise is crazy. They should have taken in and ran in disbelief at being offered that much. .

    I dont recall Dublin bus, CIE or any other train and bus company offering their staff 18% raises. If you are going to make a smart comment, make an accurate one


  • #418
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,291 ✭✭✭dresden8


    maryishere wrote: »
    No not everyone working for very little. Just fairness and equality in society. Was it not Henry Ford who said that he wanted his employees paid a fair wage, so they could afford to buy things?

    Indeed. When our employers have us working for free who is going to buy their stuff?

    Money only works when it is circulated. When the rich hoard, it stops being money. Money was designed as a medium of exchange, which means it has to move. Sitting in some rich bastards bank account it does nothing but increase zeroes on a computer screen.


  • #419
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    esforum wrote: »
    A, Thats average. Do I need to explain averages again? Me on 10,000. Commissioner on 90,000. Garda average 50,000 even though I will never make this ever ever ever.

    Thats only the average of you and the commissioner. Who ever asked for an average of you and the Commissioner - even if you were only on 10,000. That does not make sense.

    The average referred to is spread among many thousands of people.

    I will not even reply to your other points as others have done so already, and many of your arguments are just plain silly.


  • #420
    Fleawuss
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭Fleawuss


    myshirt wrote: »
    I once had this debate with a few friends during a Manchester United match. A robust debate which nearly came to blows.

    Wayne Rooney - the man is on £200k a week.
    A nurse, £30k a year.
    Where is the justice or sense in spending country economic wealth that way?

    Very, very quickly I was corrected with a phrase that was to stick with me going forward and which I'd like you to remember also:
    "Hang on here a second you prawn sandwich socialist.... when was the last time you seen a nurse belt a 30 yard absolute screamer into the top corner?
    When she can do that, we'll pay her £200k a week, now f#ck off"

    As superb a summary of idiocy as you will ever hear.


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  • #421
    esforum
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    maryishere wrote: »
    Thats only the average of you and the commissioner. Who ever asked for an average of you and the Commissioner - even if you were only on 10,000. That does not make sense.

    The average referred to is spread among many thousands of people.

    I will not even reply to your other points as others have done so already, and many of your arguments are just plain silly.

    and many thousands of them are Sergeants, Inspectors, Supers, Chiefs, Assistant commissioners and Deputy commissioners. (plus civilian staff who for pay and authority purposes are assigned an 'equality rank' ie the CMO is an Assistant commissioner)

    You have not replied to the many other statements or questions. Dodge dodge dodge


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