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SEPT 23 1989 · 22-03-2016 06:04PM

The Uk foreign office has advised its citizens not to travel to the major European city of Brussels

Just think about that for a minute

Europe 2016

darkpagandeath · 22-03-2016 06:05PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The Uk foreign office has advised its citizens not to travel to the major European city of Brussels

Just think about that for a minute

Europe 2016

Wow... Just wow...

stoplooklisten · 22-03-2016 06:06PM

I wonder how many devote muslims he has in his tantric massage classes

http://www.dharma-lotus.nl/

TheHillOfDoom · 22-03-2016 06:07PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The Uk foreign office has advised its citizens not to travel to the major European city of Brussels

Just think about that for a minute

Europe 2016

Bit of a pain in da hole if you need to travel for work. Bejaysus, would Enda decamp to Americay for good I wonder?

DEFTLEFTHAND · 22-03-2016 06:08PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

The Uk foreign office has advised its citizens not to travel to the major European city of Brussels

Just think about that for a minute

Europe 2016

This atrocity is also going to lead to more support for the 'Brexit'.

KindOfIrish · 22-03-2016 06:09PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Border controls have been reintroduced between Netherlands and Belgium
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/25456222/__Intensieve_controle_aan_grens__.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=twitterfeed

I'd prefer reintroduction of control on external EU borders. Thousands terrorists of the future enter EU every day.

Internet Ham · 22-03-2016 06:09PM

seamus wrote: »

"limiting", "most likely". The problem is that we've been here before. It leads to irrational fears and 1984-esque paranoia & security, as occurred in the US during the era of McCarthyism.
No, I don't believe it does. Denying them asylum swells the ranks of their fighters overseas and creates a larger enemy. It also means that the ones most likely to get in legally are the ones who best know how to play the system.
"Knowing" that you have locked down your borders also causes complacency inside those borders. Far from having a ragtag bunch of loonies wielding AKs, like Brussels and Paris, you get a more sophisticated, more devastating attack, like New York.

The first step is recognising that the "them" and "us" is "IS" and "rest of the world", rather than "Islam" and "the west". Refugees fleeing IS-beseiged regions are "us" as well. If you treat them like the enemy, they will become the enemy.
Yes, we could very easily say, "This is not our problem. Go back and sort it out yourselves". But we all have to share a planet where distances have become increasingly shorter. Every problem eventually becomes "our" problem.

So we remain passive and allow these animals to continue doing what they are doing? That doesn't sit right with me personally.

It is easy to say it isn't our problem because it isn't. The Iraqi Army was trained and provided with the equipment to fight these guys when they were in their infancy and they refused to engage them. Why help them if they won't help themselves?

Islam as a belief system is the antithesis to pretty much all of our ethical and moral codes. What do they actually give the world? Other than the unpleasantness, repression, misogyny etc? Why should this archaic system of control be allowed to survive?

stoplooklisten · 22-03-2016 06:10PM

KindOfIrish wrote: »

I'd prefer reintroduction of control on external EU borders. Thousands terrorists of the future enter EU every day.

it seems we are only restricting freedom of movement for those in the free travel zone

beach_walker · 22-03-2016 06:11PM

Samaris wrote: »

Well, if he's telling the truth he's a bit of a twit

Yeah it sucks when the truth is unsettling.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 06:12PM

Internet Ham wrote: »

So we remain passive and allow these animals to continue doing what they are doing? That doesn't sit right with me personally.

It is easy to say it isn't our problem because it isn't. The Iraqi Army was trained and provided with the equipment to fight these guys when they were in their infancy and they refused to engage them. Why help them if they won't help themselves?

Islam as a belief system is the antithesis to pretty much all of our ethical and moral codes. What do they actually give the world? Other than the unpleasantness, repression, misogyny etc? Why should this archaic system of control be allowed to survive?

And Al quada were armed and trained by the West in the 80's 30 years ago they were freedom fighters for opposing an invading army, today they are terrorists for doing the exact same thing.

stoplooklisten · 22-03-2016 06:15PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

And Al quada were armed and trained by the West in the 80's 30 years ago they were freedom fighters for opposing an invading army, today they are terrorists for doing the exact same thing.

and the IRA 100 years ago were freedom fighter and are now considered terrorists, things change, what's the point?

FalconGirl · 22-03-2016 06:16PM

Bob24 wrote: »

Probably the (sadly) usual stuff.

"This was a coward attack against European values. We all stand beside the Belgian people".

http://www.dw.com/en/merkel-expresses-pride-in-european-values-after-brussels-bombings/a-19133583

Standard enough vocabulary at this stage and we will probably hear the same phrases thrown around the next time there is an attack.

briany · 22-03-2016 06:17PM

Irish Praetorian wrote: »

I think it might help everyone in this discussion, if people using today's attacks by Islamist extremists seeking a fundamentalist caliphate as a segue for attacking the far right, were viewed as absurdly as those people using it as a segue for attacking the 'Remain EU' campaign.

It's quite common to see sentiments take a right-turn in the wake of events such as today. Expressing fears of what'll happen if this is left unchecked is not the same thing as attacking the far-right. It's equally absurd that anyone would not expect concerns over EU membership and being able to control borders, and shifts in the political/cultural climate of Europe to be tangential discussions to the one over events in Belgium today.

Bob24 · 22-03-2016 06:18PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

it seems we are only restricting freedom of movement for those in the free travel zone

And the people who are now closing the internal borders are the same ones who were cursing Hungary when it decided to efficiently protect the external border of the free travel zone (which is exactly what European treaties were commending it to do as it is the only way to safely keep internal borders open).

The Schengen Area was stabbed by EU leaders and especially Merkel 6 months ago, it is just taking some time to die.

Bob24 · 22-03-2016 06:24PM

FalconGirl wrote: »

http://www.dw.com/en/merkel-expresses-pride-in-european-values-after-brussels-bombings/a-19133583

Standard enough vocabulary at this stage and we will probably hear the same phrases thrown around the next time there is an attack.

Yes -the way they all use the same formatted speeches which seem to be commenting on the events rather than suggesting action to analyse the situation and change the course of history will not serve EU leaders (or their populations) in the long term. It works once or twice, but after a while their people start wondering if there is anyone in charge aside from PR advisers.

22-03-2016 06:25PM

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

I would be fuming if my child's teacher tweeted anything about their students! That said, his gripe should be raised through appropriate channels.

You'd be fuming if he was taking about one of your kids cheering terrorism or you'd be furious that he was talking about your child's classmates?

Samaris · 22-03-2016 06:33PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd be fuming if he was taking about one of your kids cheering terrorism or you'd be furious that he was talking about your child's classmates?

I'd be pretty damned freaked out if my kid was cheering anything of the like, but I'd also be pretty damn pissed if my child's teacher was making the kids of his class a target by saying that some of them were doing something that would be likely to bring down the wrath of a rightfully enraged populace on them. Some kid with dark skin walks out and gets lamped by someone because of this guy? What sort of training has he had as a teacher to be reporting **** like this, not to his principal, not to the parents, but...to the international community.

gg prof.

Bob24 · 22-03-2016 06:33PM

TheHillOfDoom wrote: »

I would be fuming if my child's teacher tweeted anything about their students! That said, his gripe should be raised through appropriate channels.

My understanding after reviewing the Dutch news (via Google translate, so to be confirmed) is that he never referred to a particular incident in his class be a number of issues he heard about (I can definitely believe this type of thing is possible as there have been official reports of the same thing occurring France).

As long as it is not all made-up and these issues actually occur, I wouldn't say there is any issue with teacher publicly asking this type of question.

Samaris · 22-03-2016 06:35PM

Bob24 wrote: »

My understanding after reviewing the Dutch news (via Google translate, so to be confirmed) is that he never referred to a particular incident in his class be a number of issues he heard about (I can definitely believe this type of thing is possible as there have been official reports of the same thing occurring France).

As long as it is not all made-up and these issues actually occur, I wouldn't say there is any issue with teacher publicly asking this type of question.

Brilliant. So it wasn't even his class, he just made it sound like it was, presumably to make himself closer to the event. He just "heard that it was going on"...somewhere.

It'd bloody well suck to be a Muslim kid in his class, I'll tell you. And regardless if the kid was totally blameless.

stoplooklisten · 22-03-2016 06:35PM

Samaris wrote: »

Brilliant. So it wasn't even his class, he just made it sound like it was, presumably to make himself closer to the event. He just "heard that it was going on"...somewhere.

It'd bloody well suck to be a Muslim kid in his class, I'll tell you. And regardless if the kid was totally blameless.

Have a look at what he teaches

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 06:36PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

and the IRA 100 years ago were freedom fighter and are now considered terrorists, things change, what's the point?

The point is that the ones killing today are being trained by the people the west trained not so long ago.

Maximus Alexander · 22-03-2016 06:36PM

Viviana Screeching Winter wrote: »

Every single time a tragic event befalls a nation close to home. Somebody pops up and points out another tragic event half way across the globe. Guess what? What happens in Yemen is not important. It has nothing to do with the color of the perpetrators, but the connection to home. Belgium is close, Dublin is not. Many people here have been to Belgium, have friends in Belgium, etc etc. Very unlikely that the same can be said for Yemen.

Did the bomb in Yemen go off near a boarding gate for Dublin? I doubt it. What happened in Yemen was terrible for the people involved, but I don't know how pointing out what happened in Yemen helps.

Or are you just trying to gain some moral high ground and belittle those who didn't know anything about the attack in Yemen?

There was probably a terrorist bombing on Kepler-438b last week; why is nobody talking about that?

Samaris · 22-03-2016 06:38PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Have a look at what he teaches

*face. palm* Tantric massage. Right. Pooooor guy, how CAN he teach when some Muslims kids somewhere are, so he heard from the guy in the pub, cheering about these attacks.

Jays, someone stick him in a corner and give him a blankie.

stoplooklisten · 22-03-2016 06:38PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

The point is that the ones killing today are being trained by the people the west trained not so long ago.

and the IRA ones killing today are bring trained by the people libya trained not so long ago

stoplooklisten · 22-03-2016 06:45PM

Samaris wrote: »

*face. palm* Tantric massage. Right. Pooooor guy, how CAN he teach when some Muslims kids somewhere are, so he heard from the guy in the pub, cheering about these attacks.

Jays, someone stick him in a corner and give him a blankie.

He could be legit, he holds segregated sessions
:pac:

man-about

Tantra circuit for men is only accessible to men. Some men find the men's brotherhood very pleasant, others are bi-schierig without having sexual desires, others find it not nice to other women than to their own together ... there are many reasons why men want to be with each other in a beautiful setting as tantra.
the large group is generally up to 4-8 men and this circle is held in odd weeks in Breda. The guidance is in the hands of Ivar.

women's circuit

Like men, women can also love to agree only among themselves for women in a beautiful setting tantra.
The large group is generally up to 6-10 women and this circle is held periodically in Oosterhout. The guidance is in the hands of Monique and Nieky.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 06:45PM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

and the IRA ones killing today are bring trained by the people libya trained not so long ago

Yup

Anyone found guilty of terrorism should.be hung in a public square imo.

thomil · 22-03-2016 06:45PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

There was probably a terrorist bombing on Kepler-438b last week; why is nobody talking about that?

If it happened last week, then it's no wonder nobody is talking about it. They simply won't find out about it until another 469 years and 51 weeks from now. Or are you talking about that incident that took place just over 470 years ago, and that we're just finding out about? :P

Internet Ham · 22-03-2016 06:46PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yup

Anyone found guilty of terrorism should.be hung in a public square imo.

You would get on well with the Saudis.

ceadaoin. · 22-03-2016 06:46PM

Bob24 wrote: »

I'd like to know more about what actually happened in his class and what the police told him.

If he's telling BS he deserves to be taught a lesson, but if what is mentioning did happen and the police was sent to tell him it is not an appropriate topic to discuss, the Netherlands look a bit less like a free country.

The police in the Netherlands definitely have been visiting people warning them about their online posts.

The man in this story received a visit and a threat of being charged with sedition for tweeting the following

"The college of Sliedrecht has a proposal to receive 250 refugees in the coming 2 years. What a bad plan! #letusresist"

It's all a bit 1984

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 06:48PM

Internet Ham wrote: »

You would get on well with the Saudis.

Why?

Because I believe in capital punishment?

You think they should be locked in a cell with tv, playstation, access to gym, set menu and daily hugs?

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