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Ave Sodalis · 22-03-2016 11:58AM

Straight Edge Punk wrote:

France have closed their border.

So?

dav3 · 22-03-2016 11:58AM

jmayo wrote: »

Good lad keep playing it down.

Ah but sure you will probably drag up the numbers killed in car accidents to lessen the toll.

If more people die from road accidents and suicide, why would we not put more money and resources into preventing these deaths, rather than into something which may never happen.

I would rather my taxes went to suicide prevention, cutting down on road fatalities, homelessness etc. Than pandering to the baying mob and mass hysteria that always follow these events.

The above issues are far more important than terrorism.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2016 11:58AM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

There may be some sort of islamist cuckold exchange programme?

Kinky

stoplooklisten · 22-03-2016 11:59AM

sup_dude wrote: »

So?

i'm sure it's not related :rolleyes:

Fleawuss · 22-03-2016 11:59AM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The lawyer representing Salah Abdeslam used the term that his client was "worth his weight in gold" yesterday, could that have been some codeword for the attack? Seems a rather odd term when I heard it yesterday.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/captured-paris-attack-suspect-abdeslam-worth-weight-in-gold-to-police-lawyer-34558612.html

Makes me wonder if these attacks were rushed forward when he was captured.

Straight Edge Punk · 22-03-2016 11:59AM

sup_dude wrote: »

So?

You just said "you don't see them scrambling to close borders".

screamer · 22-03-2016 11:59AM

stoplooklisten wrote: »

What has Mama Merkel to say about this?

Very little will be my guess but as I've said before history will remember Merkel unkindly when the irreparable damage she has done to Europe will become clear in years to come.

Ave Sodalis · 22-03-2016 11:59AM

stoplooklisten wrote:

i'm sure it's not related

You may want to read my first post.

22-03-2016 11:59AM

Thoughts and Prayers with all caught up in this atrocity.

Ave Sodalis · 22-03-2016 12:00PM

Straight Edge Punk wrote:

You just said "you don't see them scrambling to close borders".

France know exactly who it was that caused their attacks.

RobertKK · 22-03-2016 12:01PM

These are the list of countries that ISIS have on their hit list:
Australia, Bahrain, Albania, Denmark, Belgium, China, Croatia, Austria, Egypt, Czech Republic, Greece, Canada, Estonia, France, Finland, Iraq, Jordan, Germany, Ireland, Hungary, Netherlands, New Zealand, Romania, Lebanon, Kosovo, South Korea, Kuwait, Israel, Iran, Italy, Japan, Qatar, Luxembourg, Sweden, Russia, Norway, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Slovakia, Switzerland, Lithuania, Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Taiwan, U.S., U.K. United Arab Emirates, Spain, Mexico, Turkey, Oman, Ukraine, Tunisia, Serbia, Slovenia, Poland, Portugal, Morocco, Moldova, and Malta.

jmayo · 22-03-2016 12:01PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You're making no sense whatsoever

Explain why I would want to go there

Well you could experience first hand the joys of the cultural enrichment you support.

BTW I do hope you aren't female, gay, etc.

Straight Edge Punk · 22-03-2016 12:01PM

sup_dude wrote: »

France know exactly who it was that caused their attacks.

I really wish I could live in your bubble.

seamus · 22-03-2016 12:01PM

jmayo wrote: »

Good lad keep playing it down.

Just highlighting this one single attack makes the situation look ok.

But why not add in
Paris Nov 2015 (137 dead)
Paris Jan 2015 (21 dead)
Tunisia 2015 (28 dead)
Toulouse 2012 (7 dead)
Moscow 2010 (40 dead)
London 2005 (53 dead)
Bali 2005 (20 dead)
Moscow 2004 (10 dead)
Madrid 2004 (191 dead)
NY/Washington 2001 (3,000 dead)

And this did not even include all the attacks in Turkey, the Middle East Indian subcontinent, Africa, etc.

Look up these for saltatory truth of what exactly those in the name of islam have contributed over the last number of years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Ah but sure you will probably drag up the numbers killed in car accidents to lessen the toll. :rolleyes:

You forgot Oslo, 2011. 77 dead.

Oh wait, that wasn't a Muslim attack. Never mind, it didn't happen.

Religion is a vehicle. If Christianity was the majority religion in the regions these terrorists come from, these killings would be occurring in the name of Christianity.

Focussing all of your ire on Islam is rather pointless, it won't solve any issues. And experience teaches us over and over that when you attack or attempt to suppress a specific ideology, it becomes violent and dangerous.

Fleawuss · 22-03-2016 12:01PM

dav3 wrote: »

If more people die from road accidents and suicide, why would we not put more money and resources into preventing these deaths, rather than into something which may never happen.

I would rather my taxes went to suicide prevention, cutting down on road fatalities, homelessness etc. Than pandering to the baying mob and mass hysteria that always follow these events.

The above issues are far more important than terrorism.

Curious that one group of concerned posters are characterized as a baying mob and mass hysteria but the others aren't. There's hysteria and moral outrage on both sides of your argument. As usual neither are much good in managing problems

Nerdlingr · 22-03-2016 12:02PM

Slightly off topic, but related!, but was there anything from the Belgian authorities about how they let Salah Abdeslam escape last week after the raid on the apartment? They had sharp shooters on the buildings surrounding the place and obviously some sort of swat team was involved so how did he and another man escape for two/three days? If you have a building surrounded, or a police cordon set up how did two men flee and get away? Unbelievable that they let him slip through the net.

mikeym · 22-03-2016 12:02PM

My heart goes out to Belgium.

dissed doc · 22-03-2016 12:02PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Yet unlike you, they are not acting based on who is responsible because they know they do not have enough information to confirm it. You don't see them scrambling to make plans to close borders or declaring marshall law or making any knee jerk reactioms based on who they think it is. They are acting as they would, no matter who caused it and will decide what to do about those responsible when they know for sure who is responsible.

Gold star ðŸŒŸ for believing the authorities. You don't see that much anymore! It is like a 1980s movie, with the unspoken parental-style authority can step in a fix things.

Whats next? John McLane will prevent another metro or bar attack by Islamic extremists because he is the wrong man, in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I love, your comment is like the pre-Internet era, when people believed what politicians said. Ignorant, but comforting all the same.

Liberosis · 22-03-2016 12:02PM

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The lawyer representing Salah Abdeslam used the term that his client was "worth his weight in gold" yesterday, could that have been some codeword for the attack? Seems a rather odd term when I heard it yesterday.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/captured-paris-attack-suspect-abdeslam-worth-weight-in-gold-to-police-lawyer-34558612.html

I thought Abdeslam's lawyer was provided for him by the State no?
If so, it seems strange that he would be involved.

maggiepip · 22-03-2016 12:02PM

I just think its all heartbreaking. This is not going to end and it will come to Ireland soon. Its very wrong that people are not allowed openly discuss their fears and views on this. All we ever have is one side against the other and people shouting racism left right and center. Im so sick of it. You cant hardly be bothered listening to a so called intelligent discussion because no one is allowed say anything against the grain.

If some people think immigration is to blame for the spread of this, let them say it out in the open and let it be debated, let it be argued for or against. If some people fear or dislike sharing their country with Muslim immigrants they have the right to voice it, and that goes for any views or fears people have. There is very strong evidence that multi culturalism does not work, and only produces alienation, violence and segregation. Try putting that across and youre immediately a racist villan. Thats wrong. People need to be able to talk absolutely honestly without censorship and fear of looking bad. It might actually achieve something.

Ave Sodalis · 22-03-2016 12:03PM

RobertKK wrote:

These are the list of countries that ISIS have on their hit list: Australia, Bahrain, Albania, Denmark, Belgium, China, Croatia, Austria, Egypt, Czech Republic, Greece, Canada, Estonia, France, Finland, Iraq, Jordan, Germany, Ireland, Hungary, Netherlands, New Zealand, Romania, Lebanon, Kosovo, South Korea, Kuwait, Israel, Iran, Italy, Japan, Qatar, Luxembourg, Sweden, Russia, Norway, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Slovakia, Switzerland, Lithuania, Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Taiwan, U.S., U.K. United Arab Emirates, Spain, Mexico, Turkey, Oman, Ukraine, Tunisia, Serbia, Slovenia, Poland, Portugal, Morocco, Moldova, and Malta.

There is no country not on their list.

Straight Edge Punk wrote:

I really wish I could live in your bubble.

What bubble? Reality?

Lovely Bloke · 22-03-2016 12:03PM

seamus wrote: »

when you attack or attempt to suppress a specific ideology, it becomes violent and dangerous.

Bull****.

Islam has always had undertones of attacking "infidels" and "non believers".

BoJack Horseman · 22-03-2016 12:03PM

seamus wrote: »

And experience teaches us over and over that when you attack or attempt to suppress a specific ideology, it becomes violent and dangerous.

Where in Belgium is Islam being suppressed?

inforfun · 22-03-2016 12:03PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You're making no sense whatsoever

Explain why I would want to go there

Since you dont believe me/an interview by AFP of a local eyewitness, go get yourself some experience of one of the many Molenbeeks on the continent.
You seem to think it is only a tiny, tiny, tiny minority that is in favour of events like today. So you shouldn't have any problem getting around there.

Go.

whiskeyman · 22-03-2016 12:03PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

Makes me wonder if these attacks were rushed forward when he was captured.

good article here:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/22/brussels-attacks-show-how-global-terror-networks-act-local

For the terrorists, the aim is to show they can still terrorise, mobilise and polarise with violence. This is not so much about revenge, but simply demonstrating a continued capability. They may be down but, they are saying, they are not out.

It is also very possible that the extremist network wanted to act before security agencies acted on any information divulged by Abdelslam, who is known to have backed out of a suicide attack and may have been considered by his erstwhile co-conspirators as likely to cooperate with authorities.

Last bit of the article really highlights the problems ahead:

One problem for security services is that individuals who have only supported militants without acting violently themselves can easily and swiftly become bombers or gunmen in certain circumstances – such as the detention of a key member or orders from more senior commanders perhaps outside of the country.

Despite the global vision of the extremist ideologues and the portrayal of groups such as Islamic State and al-Qaida as international, however, such activism is fundamentally local.

Over the last decades, almost all attacks in Europe have involved local people attacking local targets with locally sourced materials and weapons. If the explosions on Tuesday morning in Brussels are indeed terrorist attacks, this is likely to be the case here too.

murpho999 · 22-03-2016 12:03PM

jmayo wrote: »

Good lad keep playing it down.

Just highlighting this one single attack makes the situation look ok.

But why not add in
Paris Nov 2015 (137 dead)
Paris Jan 2015 (21 dead)
Tunisia 2015 (28 dead)
Toulouse 2012 (7 dead)
Moscow 2010 (40 dead)
London 2005 (53 dead)
Bali 2005 (20 dead)
Moscow 2004 (10 dead)
Madrid 2004 (191 dead)
NY/Washington 2001 (3,000 dead)

And this did not even include all the attacks in Turkey, the Middle East Indian subcontinent, Africa, etc.

Look up these for saltatory truth of what exactly those in the name of islam have contributed over the last number of years.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

Ah but sure you will probably drag up the numbers killed in car accidents to lessen the toll. :rolleyes:

Well I was just trying to bring some perspective to people who are afraid to travel or go to affected countries.

You list helped prove my point. You’re going back 15 years and total deaths of 3507. All tragic and wasteful.

However, the populations of the affected areas total approx. 950 million. So 0.003% have been killed by terrorists.

I am not lessoning the tragedy of these events, they are awful, but I am trying to show that the chances of being caught up in these random attacks are very slim and we should not curtail our plans and lifestyles as that is what the terrorists want to achieve most.

Bob24 · 22-03-2016 12:04PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

Makes me wonder if these attacks were rushed forward when he was captured.

The timing is unlikely to be a coincidence. And even if it was it will certainly be "marketed" by ISIS and Islamic extremists as a revenge.

BorneTobyWilde · 22-03-2016 12:04PM

Trump is right it turns out. We invite these people in, we paid their way, we take good take of them and they blow us up.

jmayo · 22-03-2016 12:04PM

RobertKK wrote: »

These are the list of countries that ISIS have on their hit list:
Australia, Bahrain, Albania, Denmark, Belgium, China, Croatia, Austria, Egypt, Czech Republic, Greece, Canada, Estonia, France, Finland, Iraq, Jordan, Germany, Ireland, Hungary, Netherlands, New Zealand, Romania, Lebanon, Kosovo, South Korea, Kuwait, Israel, Iran, Italy, Japan, Qatar, Luxembourg, Sweden, Russia, Norway, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Slovakia, Switzerland, Lithuania, Macedonia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Taiwan, U.S., U.K. United Arab Emirates, Spain, Mexico, Turkey, Oman, Ukraine, Tunisia, Serbia, Slovenia, Poland, Portugal, Morocco, Moldova, and Malta.

Can you get back to them to sort their lists alphabetically in future.

Or is it based on some weighting scale?
If so they really don't like Australia and are so so about Malta.

Eugene Norman · 22-03-2016 12:04PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

Makes me wonder if these attacks were rushed forward when he was captured.

Surely a response.

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