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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #7022
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Not condoning those guys, but let's not pretend like the west has been adapting to local cultures the world over for the last few hundred years either, and indeed the Irish harboring terrorists in the USA and further for decades. It goes both ways.

    We don't have to assimilate to other cultures because our culture is superior to theirs.


  • #7023
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Islam and Christianity are not equally bad. They never have been either.

    Surely you're relieved that the guy who organised the Paris attacks wasn't even Muslim?


  • #7024
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Surely you're relieved that the guy who organised the Paris attacks wasn't even Muslim?


    Source?


  • #7025
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Surely you're relieved that the guy who organised the Paris attacks wasn't even Muslim?
    Yes, clearly not a muslim

    https://twitter.com/jihadirina16/status/698498070049198080


  • #7026
    piuswal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭piuswal


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    We don't have to assimilate to other cultures because our culture is superior to theirs.

    I would suggest that therein lies the root cause of so many conflicts.

    "We are superior so therefore our way is the only way, etc etc"

    How does one judge which, if any, belief, culture, race etc is superior?

    Most are biased judges in their own cause/case.


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  • #7027
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Yes, clearly not a muslim

    https://twitter.cojihadirina16/status/69849807004919808

    Why did I even give him the benefit of the doubt?


  • #7028
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    piuswal wrote: »
    I would suggest that therein lies the root cause of so many conflicts.

    "We are superior so therefore our way is the only way, etc etc"

    How does one judge which, if any, belief, culture, race etc is superior?

    Most are biased judges in their own cause/case.

    We have a successful culture and they do not. Look at human development indices or any other similar metric. The only bias we have is against violations of human rights.


  • #7029
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Yes, clearly not a muslim

    https://twitter.com/jihadirina16/status/698498070049198080

    You'd need to take it up with people claimjng someone is not Muslim if they don't follow the Quran (typo) to the absolute letter. Because this lad is gay.


  • #7030
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You'd need to take it up with people claimjng someone is not Muslim if they don't follow the Queen to the absolute letter. Because this lad is gay.

    Eliza Akhbar


  • #7031
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Not condoning those guys, but let's not pretend like the west has been adapting to local cultures the world over for the last few hundred years either, and indeed the Irish harboring terrorists in the USA and further for decades. It goes both ways.

    You've said you don't condone it yet your post suggests you do as, sure previous generations did the same so it's understandable is what you've implied.


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  • #7032
    JPNelsforearm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭JPNelsforearm


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You'd need to take it up with people claimjng someone is not Muslim if they don't follow the Queen to the absolute letter. Because this lad is gay.

    Have you verified that? Or is it the usual charged salacious gossip/propaganda..


  • #7033
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Billy86 wrote: »
    You'd need to take it up with people claimjng someone is not Muslim if they don't follow the Queen to the absolute letter. Because this lad is gay.

    That doesn't mean he's not a Muslim, it just means he's human. Muslims are prone to the same human tendencies as everyone else, the only difference is the extent to which they suppress their human tendencies in favour of religious adherence.

    The fact that he was gay (again, giving you huge benefit of the doubt) might have even pushed him to do what he did for the sake of salvation. He probably thought he needed to martyr himself to ever get into heaven.


  • #7034
    JimmySnails
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 171 ✭✭JimmySnails


    piuswal wrote: »
    I would suggest that therein lies the root cause of so many conflicts.

    "We are superior so therefore our way is the only way, etc etc"

    How does one judge which, if any, belief, culture, race etc is superior?

    Most are biased judges in their own cause/case.

    They are the ones flooding into European countries. The onus is on them to assimilate and obey the hosts nations laws.


  • #7035
    JimmySnails
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 171 ✭✭JimmySnails


    JPNelsforearm wrote: »
    Have you verified that? Or is it the usual charged salacious gossip/propaganda..

    Refers to well respected and established organisations polls as 'dodgy'. Takes the word of some unnamed bartender.

    He's some boyo.


  • #7036
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    questionmark? wrote: »
    Sounds like a 'community' that lives in Belgium that has no moral right to do so. If they identify as Moroccan rather than moroccan/Belgium and hide Europe's most wanted man from the local police force they have no right to live there. Oh wait, that's racism some will shout. I like travelling, and I do a fair bit of it, but the rule of when in Rome do as the Romans do applies anything else and you should feck off.

    A Muslim journalist spent some time undercover in Molenbeek and warned of the high levels of extremism she found there. This was 10 years ago.

    Here is a short news report on her story. The cameras were basically run out of the area when they went to film, with one guy stating that Belgian laws don't apply there. She mentions that the police aren't allowed to mention the tension that is growing there but that it needs to be addressed. I can only presume that didn't happen seeing as the situation seems to be the same if not worse now.



    A follow up story on her warning, written after the Paris attacks

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/a-decade-ago-she-warned-of-radical-islam-in-belgiums-molenbeek/2015/11/18/433c8ce4-8d54-11e5-934c-a369c80822c2_story.html


  • #7037
    cournioni
    Moderators, Regional North East Moderators Posts: 12,742 Mod ✭✭✭✭cournioni


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Islam and Christianity are not equally bad. They never have been either.
    Not sure what part of my post even suggested that.


  • #7038
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    cournioni wrote: »
    Not sure what part of my post even suggested that.

    I think it's unfair to even use them in the same sentence.


  • #7039
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    As long as one guy or gal want to call the shots, they'll use whatever means necessary.

    Religion has been used a tool of political oppression since the dawn of time.

    But to say it's the tool itself that's the problem is just plain silly.

    That same 'tool' has brought positive changes to humanity.

    It's all in the usage.

    Blame the monkeys (human race), not the nutcracker.


  • #7040
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    That lawyer should be strung up from a lamppost with his client

    The west needs to take the gloves off


  • #7041
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    As long as one guy or gal want to call the shots, they'll use whatever means necessary.

    Religion has been used a tool of political oppression since the dawn of time.

    But to say it's the tool itself that's the problem is just plain silly.

    That same 'tool' has brought positive changes to humanity.

    It's all in the usage.

    Blame the monkeys (human race), not the nutcracker.


    So religion isn't a problem in 2016 then just the humans! Of course it humans FFS, as only humans use religion and the major religion with the biggest issue in 2016 is Islam.


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  • #7042
    stunmer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 279 ✭✭stunmer


    piuswal wrote: »
    I would suggest that therein lies the root cause of so many conflicts.

    "We are superior so therefore our way is the only way, etc etc"

    How does one judge which, if any, belief, culture, race etc is superior?

    Most are biased judges in their own cause/case.

    When comparing cultures or beliefs, human rights is a good place to start.


  • #7043
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    stunmer wrote: »
    When comparing cultures or beliefs, human rights is a good place to start.

    Economic development too. Corruption. Support for democracy.


  • #7044
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    questionmark? wrote: »
    So religion isn't a problem in 2016 then just the humans! Of course it humans FFS, as only humans use religion and the major religion with the biggest issue in 2016 is Islam.



    You're describing Islam as a conscious entity which has an issue.

    What's the issue?*


    (*hint: could 'its' issue be that some humans are misusing it for their own agenda? Again, it aint the nutcracker, its the nuts. :D)


    Btw, fascinating thread. Amazing what fear can do to the human thought process.


  • #7045
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    You're describing Islam as a conscious entity which has an issue.

    What's the issue?*


    (*hint: could 'its' issue be that some humans are misusing it for their own agenda? Again, it aint the nutcracker, its the nuts. :D)


    Btw, fascinating thread. Amazing what fear can do to the human thought process.

    So you agree Islam is the issue then of course *hint as you say in your condescending post, that would be the human factor. *Hint that's everything in our world thats why we break it down into catergories. The term Islam is not just a religion but a way of thinking that is backward in thinking and due to that backward thinking we see, arranged marriages, female genital mutilation, anti gay thinking and at its extreme ISIS. Luckily it's a minority that are at the extreme but I don't shy away from the fact that 'it' is an issue that needs to be dealt with.


  • #7046
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    None of you here seem to understand the dualism of Islam.

    Islam is the religion of peace, yes this is true.

    Mohammed had about 200 followers using this tactic, then he got violent and converted about every Arab in the middle eastern region. Read the biography of the Prophet Mohammed.

    Allah is never wrong, the later verses of the Quaran supercede the earlier ones.


  • #7047
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    The amount of muslim scholars in this thread truly is a testament to our education system.


  • #7048
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Nodin wrote: »
    The amount of muslim scholars in this thread truly is a testament to our education system.

    To what extent have you studied Islam yourself Nodin?

    Listen I'm not attacking you, I find it fascinating. I deal in facts not emotion. When examining the extremist element which exists today I study their playbook.

    To me these men are living out the true message, I don't agree with it but that's what they're doing. Islam has never been reformed and it never can be.

    You know this.


  • #7049
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »
    To what extent have you studied Islam yourself Nodin?

    Listen I'm not attacking you, I find it fascinating. I deal in facts not emotion. When examining the extremist element which exists today I study their playbook.

    To me these men are living out the true message, I don't agree with it but that's what they're doing. Islam has never been reformed and it never can be.

    You know this.

    Muslims can't agree the "true version", so I'm not going to think I can do one better. As the vast majority of muslims and muslim scholars think IS are wrong and don't do what they do I'll take their actions over others opnions.


  • #7050
    DEFTLEFTHAND
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Nodin wrote: »
    Muslims can't agree the "true version", so I'm not going to think I can do one better. As the vast majority of muslims and muslim scholars think IS are wrong and don't do what they do I'll take their actions over others opnions.

    Allah cannot be wrong. He just changed his opinions. The dualism of Islam.

    If Mohammed hadn't changed his tactics Islam would have died out with his death.


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  • #7051
    cowboyBuilder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,419 ✭✭✭cowboyBuilder


    Nodin wrote: »
    The amount of muslim scholars in this thread truly is a testament to our education system.

    Taking the sarcasm out of your comment and just about Muslim Scholars :
    https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/764/21224847183_5ac4f75b35_o.jpg


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