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Teenagers and driving...

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  • #62
    lawlolawl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,678 ✭✭✭lawlolawl


    Andy From Sligo wrote: »
    God It would feel so weird not to wear a seatbelt!

    My car beeps at me until i put on my seatbelt once it put it in gear and it's the cheapest of cheap Kia Rio.

    But i suppose most of the '98 Starlets, Civics and other boy racer garbage converted granny cars don't have this feature.


  • #63
    maudgonner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    My car beeps at me until i put on my seatbelt once it put it in gear and it's the cheapest of cheap Kia Rio.

    But i suppose most of the '98 Starlets, Civics and other boy racer garbage converted granny cars don't have this feature.


    I have actually seen people put the seatbelt around the back of the seat and clip it in to disable the beeping, rather than actually wear the belt.

    I can't understand it - I feel naked if I'm sitting in a car without a seatbelt on. Even if it's stationary I'll have the seatbelt on, it's just second nature.


  • #64
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,447 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    lawlolawl wrote: »
    My car beeps at me until i put on my seatbelt once it put it in gear and it's the cheapest of cheap Kia Rio.

    But i suppose most of the '98 Starlets, Civics and other boy racer garbage converted granny cars don't have this feature.


    Those alarms can easily be disabled!


  • #65
    TheRiverman
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    When I think back to what we did over 20 years back, tin cans like Micras crammed with youngsters heading to the pubs and discos and flying around country roads in South Kerry. It was just part of growing up, no taxis available. Had a few friends who slammed into walls and trees, one fatality. I guess it's inevitable as long as there are young people and cars that they will mess about. I have nothing but sympathy for any kids killed or injured in those accidents.

    Sure Jackie Healy-Rae had great roads for ye to fly around on,part of the price the Government had to pay for his support.


  • #66
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,002 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Aongus Von Heisenberg wrote: »
    Only to those with a poor understanding of the English language.

    Rather it implies that the collision was not a deliberately intended result of someone's actions. Accidents can and do arise as an unintended consequence of people's mistakes and carelessness.

    One of the best articles ever published by the Irish Times,and so relevant to this thread.....

    Intended vs Unintended.....and the emptiness left behind.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/anatomy-of-a-car-crash-part-1-1.2025739

    This really shoud be on the Leaving Cert study list.


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



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  • #67
    Pablodreamsofnew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭Pablodreamsofnew


    Many people over the age of 25 are bad driver and some people under that age are bad drivers. I don't think it's fair to just conclude that they crashed because of speeding. It's a bit disrespectful too.

    My brother got his licence the minute he turned 17, I remember him skipping down the road like he won the lotto. He got his full licence soon afterwards. Never crashed in his life. Doesn't speed. He was and still is very responsible person.
    My sister got hers at 30 and has crashed many times, due to bad driving. My husband got his at 27 and crashed once, just recently due to no fault of his own.

    All crashes are different. Best to wait till Police/insurance investigate before assumption and not just you but the insurance companies too. It shouldn't be so expensive for young drivers.


  • #68
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 22,384 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MrsYelnekoff wrote: »
    All crashes are different. Best to wait till Police/insurance investigate before assumption and not just you but the insurance companies too. It shouldn't be so expensive for young drivers.

    In fairness, I think both anecdotally and statistically, young people are involved in a higher rate of accidents. If the stats were not so damning, insurance companies would be undercutting each other to get their business. Premiums seem to be extraordinarily high for younger drivers, but that at least partially reflects the underlying risk assumed.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/27541618/rac-foundation-says-young-drivers-more-likely-to-crash


  • #69
    Liberosis
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    maudgonner wrote: »
    I have actually seen people put the seatbelt around the back of the seat and clip it in to disable the beeping, rather than actually wear the belt.

    I can't understand it - I feel naked if I'm sitting in a car without a seatbelt on. Even if it's stationary I'll have the seatbelt on, it's just second nature.

    Pardon my naivety but I genuinely don't understand why people don't put on their seatbelts. It takes like 5 second's. Not wearing it is insane.

    My brother rarely wears the seatbelt in the car and I fecking roar at him until he puts it on. He calls me an arsehole, but he'll thank me if we're ever in an accident.


  • #70
    CaraMay
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭CaraMay


    I would assume a single car incident with no drink is suicide


  • #71
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    CaraMay wrote: »
    I would assume a single car incident with no drink is suicide

    Why?

    I think you're being very judgmental there, and very insensitive to the families of those you refer to.

    Not a nice post, and most certainly not a nice trait to have.


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  • #72
    Liberosis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Liberosis


    CaraMay wrote: »
    I would assume a single car incident with no drink is suicide

    Not necessarily. Sure what was one of the ads running recently? One lad texting drifts out into the middle of the road and collides head on with another car. There was no evidence to suggest drink was involved in that scenario.

    Accidents can happen for a variety of reasons, especially on icy roads during winter.


  • #73
    wokingvoter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 828 ✭✭✭wokingvoter


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Some of the "single vehicle accidents" are not accidents at all if you know what I mean

    That's true


  • #74
    CaraMay
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    It's not about judgement. It's none of my business. It's about an assumption I have following a conversation with a guard on the subject.


  • #75
    The One Doctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,322 ✭✭✭The One Doctor


    Failing to wear a seatbelt is insane.

    Seatbelts are incredibly useful in a crash. Not just becase they stop you being catapulted into being a vegetable for life, but because they do what plenty of people who wear seatbelts fail to do; tighten the damned seatbelt! There's a small pyro charge in the seatbelt that fires when the sensors detect a collision. This charge drives a piston that tightens the belt incredibly tight so that you effectively become part of the seat. The airbag fires a few milliseconds later to absorb the significant remaining forward motion of the seat/occupant combination while the steering wheel and pedals are retracting to prevent you being horribly impaled. All this is occurring while the front of your car is crumpling at a predetermined rate, further absorbing the crash energy.

    Engineering is fantastic.


  • #76
    Valetta
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    CaraMay wrote: »
    It's not about judgement. It's none of my business. It's about an assumption I have following a conversation with a guard on the subject.

    And yet you put it forward as your opinion.

    For shame.


  • #77
    CaraMay
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,652 ✭✭✭CaraMay


    Valetta wrote: »
    And yet you put it forward as your opinion.

    For shame.

    As my assumption not opinion.


  • #78
    maudgonner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,455 ✭✭✭maudgonner


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    One of the best articles ever published by the Irish Times,and so relevant to this thread.....

    Intended vs Unintended.....and the emptiness left behind.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/anatomy-of-a-car-crash-part-1-1.2025739

    This really shoud be on the Leaving Cert study list.

    Thanks for posting that AlekSmart. I hadn't seen it before and it's really made an impact. Very tough to read, but very worthwhile reading.

    You're absolutely right, every schoolkid should read that. Every adult too for that matter.


  • #79
    Ice Maiden
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    I dislike the "Shur young people do stupid things - we were all young and stupid once" defence. It does a disservice to young people - yeah plenty of young people do stupid **** but there is a spectrum of stupidity too. They don't all do stupid **** to the same level. It is not an excuse or a reason to downplay highly irresponsible driving. The people who did it among my acquaintances as a teenager were in the minority, and were considered idiots.


  • #80
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CaraMay wrote: »
    I would assume a single car incident with no drink is suicide

    Single car accidents without drink have often happened around where I'm from (South Kerry). Not too difficult to lose control on the roads, especially in bad weather. Silly comment!

    I also don't understand people who don't wear seatbelts. I feel naked without mine! Would put it on even if I was simply moving my car to a different parking space.


  • #81
    Ice Maiden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Ice Maiden


    Lia_lia wrote: »
    Single car accidents without drink have often happened around where I'm from (South Kerry). Not too difficult to lose control on the roads, especially in bad weather. Silly comment!
    I don't think it is. It is taken into consideration as a possible cause, by those in the area of health, policing, law.

    I don't understand the hostility towards CaraMay (although the post could have been worded a bit better IMO). Another poster alluded to the same thing earlier on this thread .


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  • #82
    Liberosis
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Liberosis


    CaraMay wrote: »
    As my assumption not opinion.

    Are those words not synonyms?


  • #83
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    CaraMay wrote: »
    As my assumption not opinion.

    That's even worse.


  • #84
    [Deleted User]
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    Ice Maiden wrote: »
    I don't think it is. It is taken into consideration as a possible cause, by those in the area of health, policing, law.

    Of course some single car collisions are suicides. But it wouldn't be the first reason I would think of if I heard about a single car collision.


  • #85
    Ice Maiden
    Closed Accounts Posts: 600 ✭✭✭Ice Maiden


    Lia_lia wrote: »
    Of course some single car collisions are suicides. But it wouldn't be the first reason I would think of if I heard about a single car collision.
    It would be one of the causes I would consider, but of course, as you say, it may not be the case at all. Presuming it would always be suicide is not a reasonable presumption. Considering the possibility of it (among other possibilities) is not unreasonable though, in my opinion.


  • #86
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    funkey_monkey wrote: »
    I was discussing this recently with a few friends in relation to a collision nearby us.

    When the crash happens it is all over the press for a day or three - day of occurrence and then ultimately the day of the funerals.

    There is local speculation, but to those of us outside there is no indication as to what happened and why.

    I think it would be a good idea if the results of the investigations were made public - no matter how unsavoury they might be for the remaining family members. Only then can there be a debate and reflection on what happened and maybe it would sink in with a few folk.

    Also, this thing about not criticising the dead needs to cease. If there were responsible people (dead or alive) at fault then it needs to be brought out into the open.

    There are so many fatal crashes reported on the news, but very few of them get covered when the coroners report gets published.

    Have to agree - its not nice but but if it educates others and highlights the problems even more then its got to be for the good, and plus your right it would just end speculation if the facts were there made to the public


  • #87
    [Deleted User]
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    CaraMay wrote: »
    It's not about judgement. It's none of my business. It's about an assumption I have following a conversation with a guard on the subject.

    Suicide is possible...but did he actually rule out speed, drink, tiredness, simple error and so on? Surely there is a huge spectrum and very much depends on individual circumstance?


  • #88
    Pablodreamsofnew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭Pablodreamsofnew


    AlekSmart wrote: »
    One of the best articles ever published by the Irish Times,and so relevant to this thread.....

    Intended vs Unintended.....and the emptiness left behind.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/anatomy-of-a-car-crash-part-1-1.2025739

    This really shoud be on the Leaving Cert study list.

    That was very hard to read.


  • #89
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    callaway92 wrote: »
    I've definitely toned down my driving style from the time I was a teenager. It's just a natural evolution. I've become far more hesitant in overtaking than I used to be for sure.

    is it toned down for a reason? any near misses or close shaves or have you just adjusted as you have got older?


  • #90
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    I suppose as well as you get older there is no-one you have to show off to , or no-one to show off to or impress your 'driving skills' to - no girlfriends to impress, no mates in the car to impress to see if you can go round a bend at 40mph and still keep the car on the road without ending up in a ditch, no "lets see how fast this thing can really go!"


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  • #91
    Andy From Sligo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,177 ✭✭✭✭Andy From Sligo


    maudgonner wrote: »
    I have actually seen people put the seatbelt around the back of the seat and clip it in to disable the beeping, rather than actually wear the belt.

    I can't understand it - I feel naked if I'm sitting in a car without a seatbelt on. Even if it's stationary I'll have the seatbelt on, it's just second nature.

    cant believe its 2016 and still there are people out there in collisions that dont wear a seatbelt, or have to have adverts on TV telling people to wear a seatbelt and signs at the edge of the road - crazy!


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