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Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

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  • #6902
    piuswal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,785 ✭✭✭piuswal


    JimmySnails wrote: »
    http://www.euronews.com/newswires/3167661-germany-searches-home-of-two-syrians-suspected-of-planning-attack/

    It's a bit mind-boggling how the guy with the fake passport obtained by ISIS is not under arrest.

    It does seem to be unusual but perhaps they simply want to monitor them, see where they might lead them!


  • #6903
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    The 9/11 bombers all had college degrees. Some of them could fly planes. Poverty is not the reason. When it comes down to it and you eliminate all the possibilities the only common denominator is Islam.
    ArtSmart wrote: »
    A bit like saying that the only common denominator of the PIRA was Catholicism.
    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Is it? Is the information on known PIRA members' educational history, employment status, income, crime victimisation rate publicly available? Because with Google we can fairly easily look into the background of known Muslims terrorists to see what their lives were like. Not so with the PIRA so it's a weak comparison.

    Also very worth noting that Republicanism is a secular ideology whereas Islamism/Jihadism is not. There was never much of a religious component. There was never any suggestion that a reform of Catholic or Protestant doctrine would bring about peace.

    You're supporting my point.

    Islam is a religion, with many adherents (i.6 billion) and different strains.

    ISIS is a terrorist group.

    If you're saying that their religion is the only 'common denominator,' I say you are mistaken.


    Just like the PIRA, ISIS is motivated by many different things.

    Hence my first comment.

    To justify the statement that their only common denominator is Islam, is to imply that their religion is their sole motivating factor (or main factor).

    But if that is the case, why are the other 1.599 or so billion Islam followers not engaging in terrorism?

    Therefore, there must be other factors other than adherence to Islam


  • #6904
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Another raid the main rat wounded but alive


  • #6905
    JimmySnails
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 171 ✭✭JimmySnails


    Reports that Abdeslam has been shot. The Belgians found his fingerprints during a raid on an apartment on Tuesday and have been able to locate him.
    Shots have been heard in the Brussels suburb of Molenbeek as police launched anti-terrorist raids there, Belgian media report.

    They say one person was wounded during the operation. This has not been officially confirmed.

    Belgian PM Charles Michel had to urgently leave an EU-Turkey summit in Brussels, a BBC reporter says.

    Earlier, fingerprints of Paris attack suspect Salah Abdeslam were found in a Brussels flat raided this week.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35846954?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
    Fingerprints of Paris attack suspect Salah Abdeslam have been found in a Brussels flat raided this week, Belgian prosecutors say.

    State broadcaster RTBF says he may have escaped during Tuesday's police raid, in which one suspect was shot dead.

    The raid was linked to last year's Paris attacks in which 130 people died.

    Abdeslam, a French national born in Brussels, has been the subject of a massive manhunt since the attacks, claimed by Islamic State militants.

    "We can confirm that fingerprints of Salah Abdeslam were found in the apartment," said Eric Van Der Sypt, spokesman for Belgian federal prosecutors.

    He declined to provide further details "in the interest of the investigation".

    Other media outlets reported that Abdeslam's DNA had also been found in the flat.

    Meanwhile, RTBF said that "according to our information, it is more than likely that he (Abdeslam) is one of the two individuals who escaped during the shootout".

    False identity card

    Four officers were wounded when Belgian and French police raided the flat in the southern Brussels district of Forest on Tuesday.

    Later that day, Mr Van Der Sypt revealed that "police were fired at" during the operation.

    The suspect who was shot dead was identified as Algerian national Mohamed Belkaid. He was killed by snipers while trying to fire at police from an apartment window.

    Officials said Belkaid was born in 1980 and had been living in Belgium illegally.

    The federal prosecutor's office said he was likely to be the same man on the wanted list after the Paris attacks under the name Samir Bouzid.

    A false identity card in the name of Samir Bouzid was used four days after the Paris attacks, when €750 (£585) was transferred to Hasna Ait Boulahcen, a niece of suspected Paris attacker Abdelhamid Abaaoud.

    Both died during a police raid in the Paris suburb of Saint Denis shortly after the attacks.

    Police are still hunting two other suspects who are believed to have been in the Brussels apartment.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35842219


  • #6906
    fr336
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,179 ✭✭✭✭fr336


    Brilliant news.


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  • #6907
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,721 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    Fair play to the belgian police for getting Salah Abdeslam alive. I wonder if he will give up much information.


  • #6908
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    I would give each of the families ten minutes with him in the cell


  • #6909
    JackieBauer
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 277 ✭✭JackieBauer


    Waterboard the hell out of him


  • #6910
    SpaceSasqwatch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SpaceSasqwatch


    fed up sick and tired wrote: »
    My statement: a person's odds of being harmed automatically increase, if a specific security threat pertains in a place at the very point in time you intend to travel there.
    More waffle :rolleyes:

    But go on , enlighten us all...what are the odds of getting injured(which would be higher than getting killed, but I'll let that slide if you provide the figures) if a specific security threat pertains in a place at the very point in time you intend to travel there?
    Thus, generalities plucked from the internet are meaningless. We needn't be Data Scientists to comprehend that.
    avoiding the question again ;)


  • #6911
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »
    Are you accusing me of mentally abusing a person? If so I encourage you to report me to the mods.

    If I accurately described what you were doing then maybe you should consider changing your behaviour.

    I'm not a rat.


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  • #6912
    fed up sick and tired
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,015 ✭✭✭fed up sick and tired


    ArtSmart wrote: »
    You're supporting my point.

    Islam is a religion, with many adherents (i.6 billion) and different strains.

    ISIS is a terrorist group.

    If you're saying that their religion is the only 'common denominator,' I say you are mistaken.


    Just like the PIRA, ISIS is motivated by many different things.

    Hence my first comment.

    To justify the statement that their only common denominator is Islam, is to imply that their religion is their sole motivating factor (or main factor).

    But if that is the case, why are the other 1.599 or so billion Islam followers not engaging in terrorism?

    Therefore, there must be other factors other than adherence to Islam

    This is all complete bullsh1t.

    Your conclusions do not follow from your premises for a start, but apart from that you just lack information.

    Inform yourself.
    It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the apocalypse.
    We are misled... by a well-intentioned but dishonest campaign to deny the Islamic State’s medieval religious nature.
    In conversation, they insist that they will not—cannot—waver from governing precepts that were embedded in Islam by the Prophet Muhammad and his earliest followers.
    The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic... the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/


  • #6913
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Nodin wrote: »
    Fair enough, I apologise. You are correct - muslims are out to kill us all and they are under your bed.

    See there you've combined a correct statement with a patently ridiculous one to take away the legitimacy of the perfectly valid statement. The goal is to ensure that whenever a valid statement that you don't like is uttered it must be conflated with patently ridiculous statements that no one could agree with. You're like a case study in skirting the issue.


  • #6914
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    SpaceSasqwatch wrote: »
    I lost the argument when I made a spurious statistical argument and am going to keep posting emoticons and accusing you of waffle to rile you up, because frustrating your opponent is the next best thing to actually winning an argument

    Well said.


  • #6915
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    See there you've combined a correct statement with a patently ridiculous one to take away the legitimacy of the perfectly valid statement. The goal is to ensure that whenever a valid statement that you don't like is uttered it must be conflated with patently ridiculous statements that no one could agree with. You're like a case study in skirting the issue.
    I used to be seeing a girl from Bosnia. She texted me the other day to say what's up and get back in touch. Being Bosnian, she is also like many, Muslim.

    Should I be careful? Is this a jihadist trap? Because she's got a cracking arse, but I'm not sure it's worth getting blown up over!


  • #6916
    SpaceSasqwatch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SpaceSasqwatch


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Well said SpaceSasqwatch!! Apologies for making up a completely fictitious post trying to belittle you. Yes you made an effort at posting links to back up your assertion that you're more likely to die travelling to France than from a terrorist attack and yes you're correct nobody else tried.

    Apology accepted.

    Dont do it again. kthanxbai:rolleyes:


  • #6917
    Jim Bob Scratcher
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,231 ✭✭✭Jim Bob Scratcher


    Took them long enough.


  • #6918
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I used to be seeing a girl from Bosnia. She texted me the other day to say what's up and get back in touch. Being Bosnian, she is also like many, Muslim.

    Should I be careful? Is this a jihadist trap? Because she's got a cracking arse, but I'm not sure it's worth getting blown up over!
    If she was Muslim she wouldn't go near you.


  • #6919
    SpaceSasqwatch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 768 ✭✭✭SpaceSasqwatch


    Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »
    Took them long enough.

    yeah I'd they were staying off the radar as much as possible.Good news all the same.


  • #6920
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,426 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »
    Took them long enough.

    Yes, could be poor job by the police etc, but probably he had friends helping him hide out there. Not up for striking a blow directly but ready and willing to aid a warrior of Islam when in need of some shelter!:pac:


  • #6921
    KingBrian2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,360 ✭✭✭KingBrian2


    It is good he was caught aside from that he will probably be extradited to France to be put on trial.


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  • #6922
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    stefanovich wrote: »
    If she was Muslim she wouldn't go near you.

    You have that from muslim HQ?


  • #6923
    questionmark?
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,085 ✭✭✭questionmark?


    Billy86 wrote: »

    Should I be careful? Is this a trap? Because she's got a cracking arse, but I'm not sure it's worth getting blown in case the Mrs finds out

    FYP.
    More AH like now.


  • #6924
    Phil.x
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,797 ✭✭✭Phil.x


    It's great to see a working dog in action they are so effective.


  • #6925
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    The sad little freaks last memories of life ended today with a bullet in the leg getting dragged into a vw golf


  • #6926
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    The sad little freaks last memories of life ended today with a bullet in the leg getting dragged into a vw golf
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+back+seat+of+a+Volkswagen


  • #6927
    Special Circumstances
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,540 ✭✭✭Special Circumstances


    Phil.x wrote: »
    It's great to see a working dog in action they are so effective.

    Was enjoying watching them too. Older dog, been around the block a few times, taking it all in.... younger dogs MAD for action.


  • #6928
    lazza14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 265 ✭✭lazza14


    Finally they got Abdeslam, he should be put in prison with 2 food options

    rashers
    sausages


    Toilet paper would be a copy of the Koran.


  • #6929
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Billy86 wrote: »
    I used to be seeing a girl from Bosnia. She texted me the other day to say what's up and get back in touch. Being Bosnian, she is also like many, Muslim.

    Should I be careful? Is this a jihadist trap? Because she's got a cracking arse, but I'm not sure it's worth getting blown up over!

    Where in Nodins comment did he use the word "all"? As in "all Muslims". He said "Muslims" and these jihadists who want to kill us are Muslims.

    There seems to be some mass psychosis where when people hear a statement involving a minority group their subconscious inserts the word "all" where it doesn't exist.

    If someone was to say "gangsters want to kill you" are you going to assume that the Triads, the Yakuza, the Russian mob, the Costa Nostra and the Westies are all out to get you or will you assume that a specific group of people are being referred to?


  • #6930
    ArtSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,610 ✭✭✭ArtSmart


    Well, it seems the 'educated' are in full flight.

    Aint no truck in trying to trump a Dose of Donalds Drumpfs

    Art, out.


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  • #6931
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    stefanovich wrote: »
    If she was Muslim she wouldn't go near you.
    Well she is and she did, so it looks like once again a broad sweeping generalisation of over one and a half billion people has proven to be wrong. Who would have guessed!?


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