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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,006 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Some of us were happily part of the United Kingdom.

    you weren't as none of us were even born when the roi was part of the united kingdom
    Celebrating terrorists and murderers guilty of treason and disregard for the rule of law an democracy, is a shameful attitude.

    they were not guilty of anything, and were not terrorists. they were heroes who started our move to being a republic, as it is and was meant to be. they were absolutely right in what they did.
    I though Ireland had matured, but this nonsense shows we are still a rather backward provincial amateur statelet, rather than an integral part of a serious country like the UK that we could still be.

    we have grown up, and have been grown up for a couple of decades now. we are a republic and a well respected republic even with our problems. most irish do not want to be part of the uk. if one does, they're are a number of flights and ferry sailings one can take, make use of them and leave the republic. we don't want anyone who hates this republic

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,687 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    we don't want anyone who hates this republic

    Time for your medicine. Have you been wandering the corridors again?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    brummytom wrote: »
    I just watched a documentary about it presented by Brendan O'Carroll, actually. He gets a slating on here, but the show was genuinely interesting; quite a few stories and tidbits I hadn't heard before.

    I thought it was good too. It was on BBC2, so I wonder if they commissioned it? Some of it was a bit dumbed down, as if they knew they were broadcasting to a clueless audience, who would need a lot of this stuff explained to them. Does the same BBC feed go to the UK, as well as here?

    Anyway, it was nice to hear from one of de plain peepul of Dubbelin, telling a simple story about his two uncles. You can get a bit too much of the purely academic stuff from all the high falutin' experts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭EazyD


    Some of us were happily part of the United Kingdom. Celebrating terrorists and murderers guilty of treason and disregard for the rule of law an democracy, is a shameful attitude. I though Ireland had matured, but this nonsense shows we are still a rather backward provincial amateur statelet, rather than an integral part of a serious country like the UK that we could still be.
    Sick to the teeth of it myself.

    A shameful attitude is being as blissfully ignorant as you are. Do yourself a favour and read a history book.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Some of us were happily part of the United Kingdom. Celebrating terrorists and murderers guilty of treason and disregard for the rule of law an democracy, is a shameful attitude. I though Ireland had matured, but this nonsense shows we are still a rather backward provincial amateur statelet, rather than an integral part of a serious country like the UK that we could still be.
    Sick to the teeth of it myself.
    Yes we were doing so well as part of the UK weren't we
    In 1911 Dublin had the worst housing conditions of any city in the United Kingdom. Its extensive slums were not limited to the back-streets or to impoverished ghettos. By 1911 the city slums also incorporated great Georgian houses on previously fashionable streets and squares. As the wealthy moved to the suburbs over the course of the 19th century, their huge, red-brick buildings were abandoned to the rent-paying poor. Tenements in inner-city Dublin were filthy, overcrowded, disease-ridden, teeming with malnourished children and very much at odds with the elite world of colonial and middle-class Dublin.

    ..Alongside the cattle on many of those boats were emigrants leaving a country unable to offer even the possibilities of a basic existence. Some were Dubliners, many were from the Irish countryside and were merely passing through the city, certain in the knowledge that there was simply no work available to them. Behind them they left the brutal reality of daily life for tens of thousands who lived in tenement slums, starved into ill-health, begging on the fringes of society. In parts, Dublin was incredibly poor. A notoriously high death-rate was attributable, at least in part, to the fact that 33% of all families lived in one-roomed accommodation. The slums of Dublin were the worst in the United Kingdom, dark, disease-ridden and largely ignored by those who prospered in other parts of the city.
    ..In every aspect of mortality, Dublin in the last quarter of the ninteenth century held the unenviable record of being first among major towns and cities of Britain and Ireland. Indeed from Berlin to Brussels, from Rome to Stockholm and from Philadelphia to Boston,the death rates in major cities rarely exceeded those in the Irish capital


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    EazyD wrote: »
    A shameful attitude is being as blissfully ignorant as you are. Do yourself a favour and read a history book.

    Oh he's probably read plenty. Only problem is, they were all written by James Craig and Edward Carson. :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,419 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Some of us were happily part of the United Kingdom.

    Every empire has its collaborators. Perhaps they should have a Collaborators Day to balance the Proclamation Day?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    buried wrote: »
    the laughable minority.

    I would truly love to see the tragicomedy of it all if one of these pathetic people tried to form a political party advocating Ireland becomes part of the UK. Can you imagine the type of misfits it would attract?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    It's an important part of our history, but overly romanticised. There's a valid debate as to whether it was a good idea at the time, and whether the bloodshed was needed to get independence, and there's a valid debate to be had as to whether it led to 100 years of killings by militant Republicans afterwards. I wish modern Irish history had a different event we could rally around to be honest.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Given that it's widely accepted that the rebels had minimal public support, people came out to spit at them as they were led away to prison, how come 99% of people have such a horn for the rising? The chances are your recent ancestry was at worst pissed off, at best indifferent to their actions.

    The British army taking them out and executing them (young lads). That turned the tide.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    I would truly love to see the tragicomedy of it all if one of these pathetic people tried to form a political party advocating Ireland becomes part of the UK. Can you imagine the type of misfits it would attract?

    Commemorating our war dead ? Whats wrong with that. What Chris and the Order did was very dignified and unprovacative - yet sensitive to the important part the people of Dublin played in a a truly great cause and stood up to be counted in a world conflict - and country was stabbed in the back by its own citizens.
    Contrast with the shameful head in the sand attitude of the free state in the second war. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - thank God there were good men on the mainland.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's an important part of our history, but overly romanticised. There's a valid debate as to whether it was a good idea at the time, and whether the bloodshed was needed to get independence, and there's a valid debate to be had as to whether it led to 100 years of killings by militant Republicans afterwards. I wish modern Irish history had a different event we could rally around to be honest.

    Debate after the fact has to be the most useless thing ever. What's done is done.

    Arah, let's just see now, in hindsight, were we mad there lads?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    Debate after the fact has to be the most useless thing ever. What's done is done.

    Arah, let's just see now, in hindsight, were we mad there lads?

    Oh ****e. I'm dead.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,237 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    In the words of The Big Fella: I'm floggin' fcuk-all, I'm here to buy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Commemorating our war dead ?

    Who is 'our'?
    Whats wrong with that. What Chris and the Order did was very dignified and unprovacative - yet sensitive to the important part the people of Dublin played in a a truly great cause and stood up to be counted in a world conflict.

    Dignified? The Orange trolls couldn't just be dignified and lay a wreath to the mercenaries of the foreign menace. No, they used it as a platform for their bitterness.
    Beneath photos of Sunday’s event, the the Dublin and Wicklow LOL 1313 wrote “A rebellion which was aimed at replacing constitutional government with tyrannical government and civic peace and harmony with rape and murder of life and property.”

    dublin1313.com


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,345 ✭✭✭Filmer Paradise


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's an important part of our history, but overly romanticised. There's a valid debate as to whether it was a good idea at the time, and whether the bloodshed was needed to get independence, and there's a valid debate to be had as to whether it led to 100 years of killings by militant Republicans afterwards. I wish modern Irish history had a different event we could rally around to be honest.

    I'd go along with this.

    I'd also say that Pearse was not my cup of tea as a human either.

    Too much of a misfit to represent anybody IMO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,447 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    brummytom wrote: »
    I just watched a documentary about it presented by Brendan O'Carroll, actually. He gets a slating on here, but the show was genuinely interesting; quite a few stories and tidbits I hadn't heard before.

    BBC2 just showed it tonight. I quite enjoyed it actually.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 794 ✭✭✭TheHillOfDoom


    BBC2 just showed it tonight. I quite enjoyed it actually.

    It was brilliant, very balanced. Amazing how the British soldiers thought they were in Germany. In fairness, would you let a teenager out anywhere?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Some of us were happily part of the United Kingdom. Celebrating terrorists and murderers guilty of treason and disregard for the rule of law an democracy, is a shameful attitude. I though Ireland had matured, but this nonsense shows we are still a rather backward provincial amateur statelet, rather than an integral part of a serious country like the UK that we could still be.
    Sick to the teeth of it myself.

    You could only remember been happily
    part of the United Kingdom if you were about 110.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 820 ✭✭✭BunkMoreland


    There were some documentaries I saw ads for but missed. I've had very little exposure to any 1916 material in the last few months.

    Not sure how people get fed up of something when you can just fuxking switch the channel / read a different article.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    Commemorating our war dead ? Whats wrong with that. What Chris and the Order did was very dignified and unprovacative - yet sensitive to the important part the people of Dublin played in a a truly great cause and stood up to be counted in a world conflict - and country was stabbed in the back by its own citizens.
    Contrast with the shameful head in the sand attitude of the free state in the second war. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing" - thank God there were good men on the mainland.

    There was about 7 people there. Are yez all on boards? I know a pub with a teeny tiny snug where you could bring all your Irish unionist friends and have room to swing a few cats. Small snug nevertheless. Tiny. I can't emphasise enough how small this snug is and yet how you can all fit in.

    The thing about the United Kingdom is it hasn't gone away. The thing about British Ireland is it hasn't gone away. Despite fetishing the United Kingdom over the republic you live here not there, despite fetishing British Ireland you live in the republic. Clearly Dublin, or wherever you guys live, holds more allure for you than Belfast.

    I can't think why.


  • Posts: 318 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The amount of West-Brits on this forum has always disgusted me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    There was about 7 people there. Are yez all on boards? I know a pub with a teeny tiny snug where you could bring all your Irish unionist friends and have room to swing a few cats. Small snug nevertheless. Tiny. I can't emphasise enough how small this snug is and yet how you can all fit in.

    The thing about the United Kingdom is it hasn't gone away. The thing about British Ireland is it hasn't gone away. Despite fetishing the United Kingdom over the republic you live here not there, despite fetishing British Ireland you live in the republic. Clearly Dublin, or wherever you guys live, holds more allure for you than Belfast.

    I can't think why.

    Anybody else give a ****e?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    The amount of West-Brits on this forum has always disgusted me.
    Not true Gaely gaels like you eh?
    Gaels! It delights my Gaelic heart to be here today speaking Gaelic with you at this Gaelic feis in the centre of the Gaeltacht. May I state that I am a Gael. I'm Gaelic from the crown of my head to the soles of my feet. . . . If we're truly Gaelic, we must constantly discuss the question of the Gaelic revival and the question of Gaelicism. There is no use in having Gaelic, if we converse in it on non-Gaelic topics. He who speaks Gaelic but fails to discuss the language question is not truly Gaelic in his heart; such conduct is of no benefit to Gaelicism because he only jeers at Gaelic and reviles the Gaels. There is nothing in this life so nice and so Gaelic as truly true Gaelic Gaels who speak in true Gaelic Gaelic about the truly Gaelic language.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,419 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Imperialist supremacists are disgusting, whatever way you look at it, and it is the most small minded inadequate people who subscribe most strongly to such repugnant philosophies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    Imperialist supremacists are disgusting, whatever way you look at it and it is the most small minded inadequate people who subscribe most strongly to such repugnant philosophies.

    I just hate imperialist supermarkets....take that Ikea....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Easca Peasca


    I'm enjoying the centenary celebrations! There are loads of different sources of information that are getting air time that they might not have before. Keep it coming says I.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭saywhatyousee


    The amount of West-Brits on this forum has always disgusted me.

    There unionist shills just looking for a rise there not from the republic


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,744 ✭✭✭diomed


    The amount of West-Brits on this forum has always disgusted me.
    I think you mean "people born in the 26 counties".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭Tropheus


    What surprises me is the amount of people who think we gained our independence in 1916. While it may have helped pave the road for independence, the rebellion was a failure.


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