All 1916'd out

Permabear

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diomed

+1916

Charles Babbage

FFS its only every 100 years, you'll hardly have to be bothered with the next one.

Pink Fairy

Romanticised rubbish. But it'll be good to hear how Gerry caims it's all down to his fair mob we now have "the republic"
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mikeym

I dont feel sorry for you.

Edgarfrndly

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Nope. 1916 is a pivotal part of our history, and the accounts of it are a fascinating read. I mean, god forbid we celebrate events which created a stepping stone to gaining our independence.

etoughguy

What happened in 1916? Did I miss something?

Kermit.de.frog

Obama mentioned 5 times in his speech at the white house yesterday too. Maybe his ancestors were involved.

buried

Its Donald Trump I'm sick of hearing about. I don't even live in his country and I'm tired of his Biff Tannen face

catbear

I've found it interesting. Things like finding out the national anthem was originally sung in English in the GPO was a welcome surprise as back in school our mad nationalist teacher had insisted that a true patriot would know Irish.

Mr_Muffin

All i know about 1916 is that the post office in Dublin got shot at and the marks are still visible.

Cee-Jay-Cee

I'm Sick to death of it all too. I have absolutely zero interest in it, I dont know anything about it and have no desire to know either.

I acknowledge it probably is a very important part of our history but so was a lot of other historical sh*te.

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riffmongous

How do you deal with 4th of July being every single year?

The flying mouse

I think its great and fascinating to watch our history and how this small Island came about,Whether you agree with what happened then or not it shaped the way we are today and in all fairness warts n all we not doing to bad.Even putting up with the usual Everything Irish begrudgers here.

murpho999

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

I'm Sick to death of it all too. I have absolutely zero interest in it, I dont know anything about it and have no desire to know either.

I acknowledge it probably is a very important part of our history but so was a lot of other historical sh*te.

This commemoration is a once in a lifetime event.

Why not make a little effort and try and learn something whilst there is so much going on and available.

In a few months it will all be finished.

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Charles Babbage

catbear wrote: »

I've found it interesting. Things like finding out the national anthem was originally sung in English in the GPO was a welcome surprise as back in school our mad nationalist teacher had insisted that a true patriot would know Irish.

Of course a true patriot would know Irish but they had better things to do at the GPO than translating the Soldier's song!!

The Backwards Man

I'm interested in the history, but that's it.

The length of time it takes the Earth to orbit the sun has fcuk all to do with it.

buried

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11th of November must be a yearly sickener for you too?

Charles Babbage

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That's because you are in the wrong year
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bicentennial

at least we don't have Enda Kenny sailing into Dublin Bay on a missile cruiser.

Terrontress

Given that it's widely accepted that the rebels had minimal public support, people came out to spit at them as they were led away to prison, how come 99% of people have such a horn for the rising? The chances are your recent ancestry was at worst pissed off, at best indifferent to their actions.

rafatoni

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permabear got the allen wickers in a twist

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Capt'n Midnight

Don't worry we won't be doing much for the war of independence and we won't be anything for the events of the civil war.

Dtp1979

Fascinating fact...it's nearly 100 years since it happened

murpho999

Terrontress wrote: »

Given that it's widely accepted that the rebels had minimal public support, people came out to spit at them as they were led away to prison, how come 99% of people have such a horn for the rising? The chances are your recent ancestry was at worst pissed off, st best indifferent to their actions.

This is a myth that is believed by the masses.

Do some research. The fact is that some of the rebels received abuse from some people at the time does not mean that it happened overall.

This was a huge event in Irish history and had a huge aftermath leading to independence. It is right to be remembered.

Grandeeod

murpho999 wrote: »

This commemoration is a once in a lifetime event.

Why not make a little effort and try and learn something whilst there is so much going on and available.

In a few months it will all be finished.

Very true indeed. Unfortunately Ireland is populated with a few people that couldn't care less about history. They are divided into two groups.

1. Those that couldn't give a fiddlers about any aspect of Irish history prior to 1995.

and

2. Those that only care about Irish history when it permits an opportunity to sing rebel songs and immerse themselves in a very ignorant and uneducated view of said history.

Point 1. is dominated by the younger generation.
Point 2. is a mixture of all sorts. (Bertie Bassett country.)

Terrontress

murpho999 wrote: »

This is a myth that is believed by the masses.

Do some research. The fact is that some of the rebels received abuse from some people at the time does not mean that it happened overall.

This was a huge event in Irish history and had a huge aftermath leading to independence. It is right to be remembered.

What about the fact it was confined to Dublin?

There truly was only a fraction of the level of public support which exists now!

catbear

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Don't worry we won't be doing much for the war of independence and we won't be anything for the events of the civil war.

If FF and FG formed the next government together then they'd timing their end of term well for the split!

murpho999

Terrontress wrote: »

What about the fact it was confined to Dublin?

There truly was only a fraction of the level of public support which exists now!

Militarily it failed as they surrendered but events afterwards meant it had a huge impact.

What are you trying to prove?

diomed

Terrontress wrote: »

how come 99% of people have such a horn for the rising?

I'm not a fan of these patriots. They would have taken part in 1916, their people were in the GPO, and so on.

This republicanism reminds me of one of my National school teachers who berated us 10-year-olds because we lived in an area of Dublin that 60 years earlier cheered the English troops (he said) as they passed on their way to fight against the rising.

One day he spoke these words from a song about the 1798 rising
"Who fears to speak of 'Ninety-eight'?
Who blushes at the name?
When cowards mock the patriot's fate
Who hangs his head for shame?"

One poor lad thought we were being asked a question, and said "I do".
The teacher battered him around the class, and called the child all the names under the sun.

I'm not a fan of "Republicans". They tend to rob banks and shoot and main people. My republicans pay taxes and obey our laws.

Terrontress

Grandeeod wrote: »

Very true indeed. Unfortunately Ireland is populated with a few people that couldn't care less about history. They are divided into two groups.

1. Those that couldn't give a fiddlers about any aspect of Irish history prior to 1995.

and

2. Those that only care about Irish history when it permits an opportunity to sing rebel songs and immerse themselves in a very ignorant and uneducated view of said history.

Point 1. is dominated by the younger generation.
Point 2. is a mixture of all sorts. (Bertie Bassett country.)

I know more recent things seem more relevant, but Irish history since 1995 has seen a wealthy country with an infrastructure to rival other European nations, the peace process, Irish musicians, film makers being of global importance. I'm not saying to forget about history prior to 1995, but more has happened since then, cresting a modern, confident state which is able to hold its head high with any other nation.

Junkyard Tom

Terrontress wrote: »

Given that it's widely accepted that the rebels had minimal public support

Read this.

ProudDUB

I'd consider myself to be a history buff (I even watch all those obscure BBC4 documentaries,) but even I am starting to have 1916 fatigue now. There are so many documentaries, discussions, articles etc etc coming so fast and furious, but there are only so many I can watch/read/listen to in a given time.

If they spaced them out a bit better, over the entire year, instead of cramming them all into March & April, I think they would have more of an over all impact & I'd enjoy them more.

Terrontress

murpho999 wrote: »

Militarily it failed as they surrendered but it events afterwards meant it had a huge impact.

What are you trying to prove?

I'm trying to prove that there were a wide range of opinions towards the rising I'm 1916 and almost universal acclaim now.

Grandeeod

diomed wrote: »

I'm not a fan of these patriots. They would have taken part in 1916, their people were in the GPO, and so on.

This republicanism reminds me of one of my National school teachers who berated us 10-year-olds because we lived in an area of Dublin that 60 years earlier cheered the English troops (he said) as they passed on their way to fight against the rising.

One day he spoke these words from a song about the 1798 rising
"Who fears to speak of 'Ninety-eight'?
Who blushes at the name?
When cowards mock the patriot's fate
Who hangs his head for shame?"

One poor lad thought we were being asked a question, and said "I do".
The teacher battered him around the class, and called the child all the names under the sun.

I'm not a fan of "Republicans". They tend to rob banks and shoot and main people. My republicans pay taxes and obey our laws.

Interesting points. But your republicans got the right to be republicans due to the actions of those in the past. Your perception that "Republicans" tend to rob banks and shoot and maim people is rather immature.

maudgonner

Terrontress wrote: »

What about the fact it was confined to Dublin?

There truly was only a fraction of the level of public support which exists now!

There's truth in that, but what happened immediately after the Rising turned public opinion and shaped what was to come. The execution of the leaders of the Rising was a monumental balls-up on the British behalf that gave Ireland the martyrs that powered the war of Independence, and gained huge attention overseas. That they executed an old man (Clarke), a man close to death (Plunkett) and a man too weak to stand, who had to be strapped to a chair to keep him upright (Connolly) was what would nowadays be called an utter PR disaster.

If nothing else, that makes it a fascinating political and historical event in my view.

maryishere

Terrontress wrote: »

Given that it's widely accepted that the rebels had minimal public support, people came out to spit at them as they were led away to prison, how come 99% of people have such a horn for the rising? The chances are your recent ancestry was at worst pissed off, at best indifferent to their actions.

Good point. The fact there were 206,000 Irishmen fighting in British army uniforms during WW1 really puts the number of people who occupied the GPO in the shade.

Edward Hopper

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If you don't live in the country and are tired of it, you aren't trying very hard to avoid it. Untold amounts of foreign TV channels that couldn't care less about 1916, try watching them.

Terrontress

maudgonner wrote: »

There's truth in that, but what happened immediately after the Rising turned public opinion and shaped what was to come. The execution of the leaders of the Rising was a monumental balls-up on the British behalf that gave Ireland the martyrs that powered the war of Independence, and gained huge attention overseas. That they executed an old man (Clarke), a man close to death (Plunkett) and a man too weak to stand, who had to be strapped to a chair to keep him upright (Connolly) was what would nowadays be called an utter PR disaster.

If nothing else, that makes it a fascinating political and historical event in my view.

Also the conscription crisis. I'd have been in favour of independence if the government had wanted to send me to the Somme.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Grandeeod wrote: »

Very true indeed. Unfortunately Ireland is populated with a few people that couldn't care less about history. They are divided into two groups.

1. Those that couldn't give a fiddlers about any aspect of Irish history prior to 1995.

and

2. Those that only care about Irish history when it permits an opportunity to sing rebel songs and immerse themselves in a very ignorant and uneducated view of said history.

Point 1. is dominated by the younger generation.
Point 2. is a mixture of all sorts. (Bertie Bassett country.)

Eh... you sure there are only two categories there?

Couldn't give a fiddlers about anything prior to or after 1995. Big cross-section you missed out on there.

I'm certainly not of the younger generation and the rebel songs make me cringe to be honest. I find history is fine if you believe nationality is a defining personal characteristic, but I've never understood why is MUST Be a defining personal characteristic.

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ProudDUB

maryishere wrote: »

Good point. The fact there were 206,000 Irishmen fighting in British army uniforms during WW1 really puts the number of people who occupied the GPO in the shade.

No one is ever going to dispute the numbers. But at least the 1916 participants wanted to be there. They weren't joining a "foreign" army, in order to get a regular pay check, to stop their families at home from starving.

If you were from an Ulster/Loyalist/Protestant background, you may have genuinely wanted to fight for King and Country. If you were Paddy and Mick McGinty from Mullingar, you probably didn't give a $hit about His Maj, as long as his regular pay checks kept the wolf from the door back home.

Billgirlylegs

murpho999 wrote: »

This commemoration is a once in a lifetime event.

Why not make a little effort and try and learn something whilst there is so much going on and available.

In a few months it will all be finished.

Fascinating to see the amount of "stuff"that was hidden away for years and now put on display in various money making shows.

I think "learning" what happened would be an eye opener for a lot of people.
It wasn't the most organised or best supported operation in the world.
While it is easy to talk from the safety of 2016, by all accounts there were pretty cold blooded activities on Mount Street and North King Street.

I wouldn't be describing it as glorious.

Eugene Norman

Edward Hopper wrote: »

If you don't live in the country and are tired of it, you aren't trying very hard to avoid it. Untold amounts of foreign TV channels that couldn't care less about 1916, try watching them.

Of course. He has to seek out Irish television, or newspapers or boards to hear anything. The he starts a thread on an issue he is sick of.

In fact except for whining on boards by the anti- Irish Irish I don't or haven't seen much about 1916 anywhere. The dart had some kind of picture display today. I half noticed that.

Hotei

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As far as I'm aware 1916 was 365.25 days long, hence the days, weeks and months of commemorations in 2016.

Eugene Norman

ProudDUB wrote: »

No one is ever going to dispute the numbers. But at least the 1916 participants wanted to be there. They weren't joining a "foreign" army, in order to get a regular pay check, to stop their families at home from starving.

If you were from an Ulster/Loyalist/Protestant background, you may have genuinely wanted to fight for King and Country. If you were Paddy and Mick McGinty from Mullingar, you probably didn't give a $hit about His Maj, as long as his regular pay checks kept the wolf from the door back home.

Oh there were quite a few Catholic Irish unionists jingoing their way across Europe to have a go at Johnny Foreigner and the wogs wot started at Calais.

Their descendents are still angry there was a rebellion back home at the same time.

Junkyard Tom

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Their descendents are still angry there was a rebellion back home at the same time.

A truly pathetic bunch of misfits if ever there was one.

buried

Easter being so close to St. Patrick's day on the 100th anniversary has injected facehugger amounts of total bitterness straight into the brains of the laughable minority of self loathing Irish people. Another great feat of the rebellion after its actual event.

Duckworth_Luas

maryishere wrote: »

Good point. The fact there were 206,000 Irishmen fighting in British army uniforms during WW1 really puts the number of people who occupied the GPO in the shade.

That's actually a pitiful representation from Ireland gigino/japer/jimmmy/maryishere or whatever you call yourself until you're banned again for trolling.

To put the number in perspective 240,000 men signed the Ulster Covenant, yet only 200,000 from north and south signed up.