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Adams refused entry to White House St Patrick's Day bash

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  • #62
    tomwaterford
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    maryishere wrote: »
    there would have been more bloodshed if only the extremists on each side had guns and there was no police / army to keep civil order. There would have been even more Northern Bank roberies, unrest etc.

    Here in the Republic our security services had to defend against many PIRA / INLA bank robberies, kidnappings etc too.
    Do you honestly still believe the British army came to keep the peace/civil order...


    God love ya....even the most hardened unionists don't attempt to pass off that lie anymore
    If this was the case why would they open fire on a civil rights march??


  • #63
    babybuilder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭babybuilder


    Mr.S wrote: »
    ???

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2016/0316/775389-gerry-adams-white-house-st-patricks-day/

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/gerry-adams-denied-entry-to-white-house-irish-gathering-1.2575377

    http://www.joe.ie/news/gerry-adams-posts-picture-of-his-invitation-to-the-white-house/535414

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/we-wont-sit-at-the-back-of-the-bus-gerry-adams-responds-to-being-denied-entry-to-irish-gathering-at-the-white-house-34545712.html

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/gerry-adams-claims-some-still-treat-sinn-fein-differently-as-he-is-stopped-from-entering-white-house-725565.html

    http://utv.ie/News/2016/03/16/Gerry-Adams-denied-access-to-the-White-House-55872

    He wasn't denied entry, he had additional security checks and he left because it was taking too long.

    Says the Whitehouse spokesperson


  • #64
    stoplooklisten
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    **** Obama, that's the last time we lay on a spread for him.


  • #65
    babybuilder
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    Talk about US corporate "getting your retaliation in early".


  • #66
    stoplooklisten
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    I hope they don't try and free us


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  • #67
    maryishere
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    tomwaterford wrote: »
    Do you honestly still believe the British army came to keep the peace/civil order...

    They were welcomed with cups of tea and sandwiches by many Catholics when they arrived.


  • #68
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    Maybe instead of going to the White house he could go on a bird watching holiday with 3 of his comrades to Columbia next time? The yanks would like that.


  • #69
    Kalyke
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    vicwatson wrote: »
    He's an elected representative by some of the people of Ireland, like it or lump it
    Are not they all?


  • #70
    questionmark?
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    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    One of the main drivers of the Peace Process. This would never have happened in Clintons day.

    One of the main drivers of the murdering that came before the peace process as well dont forget that as I and many others wont! Him and the loyalists were as blood thirsty and pathetic as each other.


  • #71
    steddyeddy
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    questionmark? wrote: »
    One of the main drivers of the murdering that came before the peace process as well dont forget that as I and many others wont! Him and the loyalists were as blood thirsty and pathetic as each other.

    Same with Mandela I suppose.


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  • #72
    questionmark?
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Same with Mandela I suppose.

    Ah right so we are moving off topic to discuss South Africa now.


  • #73
    stoplooklisten
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    questionmark? wrote: »
    One of the main drivers of the murdering that came before the peace process as well dont forget that as I and many others wont! Him and the loyalists were as blood thirsty and pathetic as each other.

    Yes and people who can't move on from the good friday agreement and are determined to keep the bitterness alive can all jump in the same sack.


  • #74
    VincePP
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    hmmm wrote: »
    I don't for a minute believe this was accidental. This was a deliberate snub to send him a message, and I'd love to know why - what has he done which has so annoyed the White House?

    Surely Ms. Mc donald and Mr Mc Guinness would have been stopped too?

    Adams has history and US boys have info on it and asked him questions which he didn't like and walked out.

    Previously he "precleared" security, but probably just thought it wasn't needed again. Tough luck, USA treats every trip as a separate trip and if your name is flagged as being involved in terrorism, then you need to answer questions.

    Or maybe, like his frienda, he thinks the law shouldn't apply to him.


  • #75
    CarFan100
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    Fr_Dougal wrote: »
    One of the main drivers of the Peace Process. This would never have happened in Clintons day.

    BANG out of order!


  • #76
    stoplooklisten
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    VincePP wrote: »
    Surely Ms. Mc donald and Mr Mc Guinness would have been stopped too?

    Adams has history and US boys have info on it and asked him questions which he didn't like and walked out.

    Previously he "precleared" security, but probably just thought it wasn't needed again. Tough luck, USA treats every trip as a separate trip and if your name is flagged as being involved in terrorism, then you need to answer questions.

    Or maybe, like his frienda, he thinks the law shouldn't apply to him.

    Not only did he preclear security but .... "anyone attending the event is known to have been screened by the FBI and Secret Service before being issued with the official invite."



    ...and they wouldn't even let us have a look in to the flights of rendition , not that we'd ask!


  • #77
    maryishere
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Same with Mandela I suppose.

    No comparison with south Africa. In the 1980's, the PIRA was'nt looking for equality for Catholics, there was that already. NI was not south Africa but yet the PIRA bombing and murder campaign went on.


  • #78
    questionmark?
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    stoplooklisten wrote: »
    Yes and people who can't move on from the good friday agreement and are determined to keep the bitterness alive can all jump in the same sack.

    Bitterness? Check out the SF/DUP family fued up north.
    There's moving on and then there is remembering those that had family murdered and got off scot free and now hold positions of power gained through their crimes. SF/DUP and the other nutters should jump in that sack you mentioned.


  • #79
    Berserker
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    TheLastMohican wrote: »
    Just read this in the IC. Has there been an apology? I don't think it's been covered by the Irish media. I guess some jobsworth chinless wonder got his jollies from it.
    Does everyone agree that he should not have been stopped entering?

    He wasn't refused entry. Some officials questioned King Gerry, which he does not like at all, so he left in a huff. Classic case of SF trying to drum up a little "victim" attention for themselves, given that FF and FG are getting all the media attention. I hope he enjoyed his free holiday in the USA at the expense of the Irish tax payer!!


  • #80
    ricero
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    Donald trump will treat gerry better next year


  • #81
    steddyeddy
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    CarFan100 wrote: »
    BANG out of order!

    NABG that's bang out of order!


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  • #82
    Grab All Association
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    Berserker wrote: »
    He wasn't refused entry. Some officials questioned King Gerry, which he does not like at all, so he left in a huff. Classic case of SF trying to drum up a little "victim" attention for themselves, given that FF and FG are getting all the media attention. I hope he enjoyed his free holiday in the USA at the expense of the Irish tax payer!!

    They paid for their own flights.


  • #83
    maryishere
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    wonder if he flew first class this time too?


  • #84
    steddyeddy
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    questionmark? wrote: »
    Ah right so we are moving off topic to discuss South Africa now.

    No we're discussing the inclusion of terrorists at diplomatic functions. Hence why I mentioned Mandela. :)


  • #85
    CarFan100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭CarFan100


    Obama is also a terrorist if you include drone strikes


  • #86
    MRnotlob606
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    JustTheOne wrote: »
    This happened before years ago if I'm not mistaken.

    Probably not the best idea going to America when you're the ex spokesperson for a terrorist organisation.

    Doesn't stop you though if you're the leader of a theocratic authoritarian regime that has one of the worst human rights abuses in the world though...

    The United States has a history of inviting terrorists over

    dn5.img.sputniknews.com/images/102660/82/1026608236.jpg

    and here's Obama with Yahya Jammeh, who's been dictator of Gambia for the last 20 years.

    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/06/article-2718143-2050A89600000578-202_634x975.jpg


  • #87
    Berserker
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    Grab All Association wrote: »
    They paid for their own flights.

    100% untrue. These flights were funded by the tax payer. Also, they sit in business class. I have sat beside front bench members from SF on US bound flights before.
    hmmm wrote: »
    I don't for a minute believe this was accidental. This was a deliberate snub to send him a message, and I'd love to know why - what has he done which has so annoyed the White House?

    Not at all. Mary Lou and McGuinness were not stopped. Putting Gerry's alleged terrorist connections to one side, you also have to remember that he has flirted with the legal system in the UK recently too. His celebrity status got him passed pre-clearance in Dublin but the officials pulled him aside stateside and he didn't like it one bit. He must think that he is untouchable.


  • #88
    Capt'n Midnight
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    steddyeddy wrote: »
    Same with Mandela I suppose.
    LOL at old whataboutery chestnut

    There is NO comparison.



    There was no democracy in SA so there weren't the options that were available here.

    Mandela was imprisoned for strikes and leaving the country without permission. Neither was illegal here or in the UK.

    Later there was sabotage but done to avoid death or injury. Nothing like the deliberate targeting of civilians or the enforced suicide of proxy bombs here.


  • #89
    coolhull
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    Grab All Association wrote: »
    They paid for their own flights.

    What? Sure they're all living ''on the average industrial wage'' ;)


  • #90
    CarFan100
    Closed Accounts Posts: 90 ✭✭CarFan100


    Maybe Gerry was wearing Shergars teeth again

    He's had a few problems gaining entry with these over the years


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  • #91
    foggy_lad
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    hmmm wrote: »
    I don't for a minute believe this was accidental. This was a deliberate snub to send him a message, and I'd love to know why - what has he done which has so annoyed the White House?

    The Americans have a massive hard on for Edna Kenny at the moment and anyone that might get in the way of the blueshirts getting into power again will be stopped and questioned.


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